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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 13:57:19 GMT -8
So, if we bitch hard enough, the situation will change? Don't think so. So it is bitching not to acquiesce to your presumed future for the Beavers? Your presumed future for the Beavers involves accepting defeat; I would be ashamed to acquiesce to such a thing. And bitching about my bitching doesn't leave you innocent. Bitches be crazy. I'm not accepting defeat. I have zero to do with this and neither do you. I just think it's funny that posters are getting attacked for trying to see a potential positive side to the situation instead of just complaining about being left out of a so-called P4 like you are. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 13:58:24 GMT -8
The only way to avoid joining the MW is to not take all the teams into the New and Improved Pac. Accepting the entire conference may pull the wool over some people's eyes, but not most. I'm not so sure that there is Pac History to be salvaged at this point. It keeps the name alive, but what if people associate the Pac with MWC? Does that raise up the MWC or sully the Pac name? Like I said earlier, take only the best from the MW. See if we can poach a few others. And rebuild from there. Taking the whole conference would be foolish. Who's "eyes"?? What? The MWC will merge as a whole for now. Why would some teams vote to then not be included. All or nothing. And "nothing" screws OSU. MWC votes to dissolve takes a vote that will include not leaving out some teams. Why would OSU do to others what was done to it? Once a merged conference exists, and bylaws established, teams can then move forward and prep for the next media deals and realignment possibilities. BUT, it will be ALL the MWC for now. Then the Beavers might as well join the MWC and kill the Pac 12. Except for the money. Because the Pac would be more MWC than the Pac. It calls itself the Pac, but it looks and smells like the MWC. We must be brutal if we want to compete. Being the nice guy won't leave us in a good position. But again, I have dreams of glory, not of basically playing the equivalent of what has always been our non-conference opponents all year long. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 14:02:41 GMT -8
So it is bitching not to acquiesce to your presumed future for the Beavers? Your presumed future for the Beavers involves accepting defeat; I would be ashamed to acquiesce to such a thing. And bitching about my bitching doesn't leave you innocent. Bitches be crazy. I'm not accepting defeat. I have zero to do with this and neither do you. I just think it's funny that posters are getting attacked for trying to see a potential positive side to the situation instead of just complaining about being left out of a so-called P4 like you are. And I am just as frustrated by posters here who think it's a done deal that we are moving to the MW when there is so much that isn't being said. I know I have nothing to do with it, but that doesn't mean I don't care. Hell, you and I have NOTHING to do with the outcome of a football game but we still post here. We can't change a bad call on the field but we post about it. I think, Judge, that you see yourself as a holier-than-thou type (in everything), but you frequently miss how much of a hypocrite you are. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 14:13:25 GMT -8
Bitches be crazy. I'm not accepting defeat. I have zero to do with this and neither do you. I just think it's funny that posters are getting attacked for trying to see a potential positive side to the situation instead of just complaining about being left out of a so-called P4 like you are. And I am just as frustrated by posters here who think it's a done deal that we are moving to the MW when there is so much that isn't being said. I know I have nothing to do with it, but that doesn't mean I don't care. Hell, you and I have NOTHING to do with the outcome of a football game but we still post here. We can't change a bad call on the field but we post about it. I think, Judge, that you see yourself as a holier-than-thou type (in everything), but you frequently miss how much of a hypocrite you are. I don't think I'm holier than anything......and I don't think anything is a done deal. However, I'm not holding out hope for a Big 12 invite when they've repeatedly said that they are done. If that does change, I'm also uncertain how comfortable I would be with us blackmailing our way into a P4. That would just make us the first team (along with WSU) that gets dumped after the next realignment happens. |
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Post by ftd on Oct 17, 2023 14:25:56 GMT -8
Wasn't there supposed to be a bunch of discovery taking place last Friday? Anybody have any info on what was 'discovered'?
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Post by ag87 on Oct 17, 2023 14:39:03 GMT -8
There's so much to respond to in this thread.
Lots of words on recruiting. I believe the changes to that will be pretty small regardless what happens.
Blackmail - I think the word you are looking for is bribery. At least that's how I see it. Using the earned but not allocated money from the P12 to entice an invite from a conference where the media payments will be north of $30M. The easy part is another conference. The hard part is convincing Fox or espn that OSU y WSU help them. Obviously winning helps.
I have the greatest heartburn about budget and scholarships. This is what I think the "MWC is not that bad" is missing or avoiding. Feel free to correct my numbers. If our budget is $90M and it needs to go to $70M, how do you do that? If we currently offer 370 scholarships and need to go to 250, what sports become non-scholarship? Goodbye competitive soccer (both), track, and then maybe even baseball. Figure out the numbers and then reassure us that this won't be that painful.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 14:46:31 GMT -8
There's so much to respond to in this thread. Lots of words on recruiting. I believe the changes to that will be pretty small regardless what happens. Blackmail - I think the word you are looking for is bribery. At least that's how I see it. Using the earned but not allocated money from the P12 to entice an invite from a conference where the media payments will be north of $30M. The easy part is another conference. The hard part is convincing Fox or espn that OSU y WSU help them. Obviously winning helps. I have the greatest heartburn about budget and scholarships. This is what I think the "MWC is not that bad" is missing or avoiding. Feel free to correct my numbers. If our budget is $90M and it needs to go to $70M, how do you do that? If we currently offer 370 scholarships and need to go to 250, what sports become non-scholarship? Goodbye competitive soccer (both), track, and then maybe even baseball. Figure out the numbers and then reassure us that this won't be that painful. I used that term, because it is being discussed that we could get a Big 12 invite in lieu of discovery for the court case. I would call that blackmail. As in, "invite us, and we'll drop the suit" |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 14:47:30 GMT -8
It's actually week 7. You said "finally" as though the MWC had no ranked team earlier this season. I was responding to your use of the word "finally" You skipped 2021 wich had only 1 ranked team from the Pac and 1 from the MWC in week 7, and 2019 and 2020 which had 2 Pac teams and a MWC team each year in week 7. The PAC is a stronger conference in general, but in a lot of years lately the pac hasn't been as loaded as the last 2. I consider having just one more ranked team at any given time to not be much of a difference... if you think it is, you would have to admit this season and the last the Pac was different than at least a few of its prior seasons. I didn't respond to your criticism of my use of "finally." You made a valid point. I selected years at random. I did not skip anything because that would mean I wouldn't be picking at random. As for the week being 7, so sue me. I can't count. BFD. Really doesn't change much, wouldn't you agree? We can see from your data that the MWC averages at best 1 ranked team a year. Putting your data and my data together, the Pac averages 2.6 ranked teams a year. A slight difference in your eyes, perhaps, but a big difference. I'd challenge you to look further at the rankings. How many top ten rankings has the MW had in the past 5 years. 10 years? How many top 15 rankings? I don't want to be a dick about it, but for too long we have all watched how the Beavers get snubbed by the polls, while other teams get the nod. I'm saying to look at that very closely because a move to the MW means we live with that as long as we are there. We will have to be perfect (like Air Force) to barely dip into the poll. The fact that the Beavers started the year ranked this year really meant a lot to Beaver Nation. You're ready to throw all that away? If the Beavers finish the season highly ranked this season, I see little reason for them not to be ranked next season if the coaches remain, despite the new makeup of a rebuilt PAC. As far as rankings go... OSU, WSU, BSU, CSU, SDSU, FSU, USU, SJSU and Air Force have ALL been ranked at some point this decade, as in SINCE 2020. Nevada and Hawaii were ranked early the last decade. Only 3 teams have been out of the rankings or never ranked in the long term. That's not a horrible conference. I believe a few of them could step it up in any given year. I'm thinking Top 10 rankings rely a lot on the east coast perception of conferences, and the MWC has been at a disadvantage in that regard. Just getting ranked is tough for their schools, yet most of them have managed that in recent years. OOC and Bowl scheduling and results will go a log way in determining the perception of the conference in the future. Hopefully everyone steps it up. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 14:53:41 GMT -8
Bitches be crazy. I'm not accepting defeat. I have zero to do with this and neither do you. I just think it's funny that posters are getting attacked for trying to see a potential positive side to the situation instead of just complaining about being left out of a so-called P4 like you are. And I am just as frustrated by posters here who think it's a done deal that we are moving to the MW when there is so much that isn't being said. I know I have nothing to do with it, but that doesn't mean I don't care. Hell, you and I have NOTHING to do with the outcome of a football game but we still post here. We can't change a bad call on the field but we post about it. I think, Judge, that you see yourself as a holier-than-thou type (in everything), but you frequently miss how much of a hypocrite you are. You could go a long way towards not getting disagreeing comments if you would drop the OSU/WSU moving to the Mountain West commentary... the only people proposing this is you and a couple others. Not Murthy, not Barnes, not those you are arguing with. Bringing in the MWC is NOT the same thing as moving to the MWC. You'll get arguments every time you say it is. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 15:41:50 GMT -8
Who's "eyes"?? What? The MWC will merge as a whole for now. Why would some teams vote to then not be included. All or nothing. And "nothing" screws OSU. MWC votes to dissolve takes a vote that will include not leaving out some teams. Why would OSU do to others what was done to it? Once a merged conference exists, and bylaws established, teams can then move forward and prep for the next media deals and realignment possibilities. BUT, it will be ALL the MWC for now. Plus, if you only take the best, you would have to pay the buyout fees which would eat up most of the existing Pac 12 assets. The 2 conference relegation idea was, I assume, an idea on how to get around the vote and buyouts, and help ensure the Pac remains a P5 school. Pac 2 get the top 6, MWC gets everyone else and adds 2 teams. That way both conferences get 8 teams and remain viable, while the MWC teams have a road to move up. It seems not to have gotten a lot of traction on the message board. Although not likely, I could see this happening, with room to add another 4 midwest or eastern teams (AAC?) to bolster the Pac's perception. We don't know if that idea is dead in the AD offices or not. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 15:51:00 GMT -8
And I am just as frustrated by posters here who think it's a done deal that we are moving to the MW when there is so much that isn't being said. I know I have nothing to do with it, but that doesn't mean I don't care. Hell, you and I have NOTHING to do with the outcome of a football game but we still post here. We can't change a bad call on the field but we post about it. I think, Judge, that you see yourself as a holier-than-thou type (in everything), but you frequently miss how much of a hypocrite you are. You could go a long way towards not getting disagreeing comments if you would drop the OSU/WSU moving to the Mountain West commentary... the only people proposing this is you and a couple others. Not Murthy, not Barnes, not those you are arguing with. Bringing in the MWC is NOT the same thing as moving to the MWC. You'll get arguments every time you say it is. OK. Silence it is. If you won't listen to reason or logic, bully them out. I get it. Nice look. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 15:56:23 GMT -8
You could go a long way towards not getting disagreeing comments if you would drop the OSU/WSU moving to the Mountain West commentary... the only people proposing this is you and a couple others. Not Murthy, not Barnes, not those you are arguing with. Bringing in the MWC is NOT the same thing as moving to the MWC. You'll get arguments every time you say it is. OK. Silence it is. If you won't listen to reason or logic, bully them out. I get it. Nice look. Sorry to bully, the question is, who's not listening to reason or logic? There's probably an argument to be made both ways. |
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Post by ftd on Oct 17, 2023 16:17:33 GMT -8
OK. Silence it is. If you won't listen to reason or logic, bully them out. I get it. Nice look. Sorry to bully, the question is, who's not listening to reason or logic? There's probably an argument to be made both ways.  |
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 17, 2023 17:53:31 GMT -8
You could go a long way towards not getting disagreeing comments if you would drop the OSU/WSU moving to the Mountain West commentary... the only people proposing this is you and a couple others. OK. Silence it is. If you won't listen to reason or logic, bully them out. I get it. Nice look.
Where did he say in his post, "Shut up"? Nowhere did he say (or imply) that you shouldn't continue to post. He simply explained why he thinks that your ideas aren't popular.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 17, 2023 19:25:33 GMT -8
Just thinking out loud here and it will probably never happen because it makes too much sense, but wouldn't it behoove the big10 to ask their TV partners to add OSU and WSU and create a "western pod" thereby reducing travel distances for every school in the conference? THEY DON'T WANT US. |
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