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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 12:59:01 GMT -8
Again, if you don't like the MWC reverse merger, show me a viable alternative. Not some pie-in-the-sky dream the Big 12 will take us, when they have shown on numerous instances that they don't want us. The Pac-12 is going away. So it really doesn't matter how "content" were are playing in it. And yes, flourished. The MWC has consistently been the best of the non-power 5 conferences over the years. You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. Seems you are looking at this as the only possible outcome is to join the MWC under their name and their media contract. Several of us are looking at joining under the PAC umbrella. That keeps the Pac history alive, keeps NCAA and other money alive for at least a couple years, potentially keeps P5 status alive long term, and puts us to be in position of potentially being top dog in the conference long term - other than P4 status, none of that comes with joining the Big 12. The Olympic sports will be figured out. NIL money comes from the fans, if they decide to drop support of the Beavers because they're not in the Big 12, what kind of fans are they? As far as budgets/layoffs/etc go, we really dont know for sure what those will look like. My "crazy" guess is Barnes and Murthy have a way better handle on it than we on the message boards, and Murthy has publicly stated the best path forward for OSU is to rebuild the PAC - I'm not going to brashly claim she's mistaken. I expect we will have a lower paying media contract than today, how much lower is yet to be seen, but I bet it's significantly higher than what the MWC is currently bringing in, and once again I will defer to Barnes and Murthy, who probably have a far better idea of where that stands. Things aren't rosey, but they're probably not as pathetic as some people seem to think. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 17, 2023 13:03:58 GMT -8
I looked. 2022. (No reason, just easy to type in.) Week 6 (same as now). Pac 12: 4 teams ranked. Lowest is Utah at 16. Highest is Trojans at 6. MW: 0 2018 Pac 12: 4 MW: 0 I think I'm missing your point. It's actually week 7. You said "finally" as though the MWC had no ranked team earlier this season. I was responding to your use of the word "finally" You skipped 2021 wich had only 1 ranked team from the Pac and 1 from the MWC in week 7, and 2019 and 2020 which had 2 Pac teams and a MWC team each year in week 7. The PAC is a stronger conference in general, but in a lot of years lately the pac hasn't been as loaded as the last 2. I consider having just one more ranked team at any given time to not be much of a difference... if you think it is, you would have to admit this season and the last the Pac was different than at least a few of its prior seasons. Especially as most here acknowledge that rankings are highly influenced by conference affiliations. A very good G5 team will typically be ranked lower than a good P5 teams. It is one of the main reasons the CFP format was changed. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 17, 2023 13:08:43 GMT -8
Again, if you don't like the MWC reverse merger, show me a viable alternative. Not some pie-in-the-sky dream the Big 12 will take us, when they have shown on numerous instances that they don't want us. The Pac-12 is going away. So it really doesn't matter how "content" were are playing in it. And yes, flourished. The MWC has consistently been the best of the non-power 5 conferences over the years. You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. Oregon State can neither lose full sports programs nor scholarships and maintain FBS status. Unless Oregon State can come up with money in other ways, I assume that Oregon State will look to eliminate the bloat somewhere other than cutting programs and scholarships. The rest of your post is pretty much spot on. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 13:12:32 GMT -8
Nah. We don't have to accept it until the deed is done. We're all just a bunch of nervous hens scratching the dirt looking for something. Nothing will be forthcoming that would jeopardize the money still in the Pac 12. Until those cases are resolved, we're official members of the Pac 2. Long may she live! Nor do we have to accept the doom and gloom BS that is purely made up and the continued fantasy the B12 is suddenly going to change their mind. The reverse merger , IF the Pac12 money is in OSU/WSU's control, allows full operation of all AD activities without making a panicked decision. It allows the merged conference to then make decisions about their future when media deals become near their renewal dates. The merged conference with the Pac12 revenue coming in allows for adequate scheduling and stable footing. It is a plan that is not only viable, but realistic and can be implemented without waiting for the complete unknown... that may never happen. Wait around for the fantasy B12 or B10 invite means no Pac12 money. Folks forget, much of the money is "future" revenue to a conference. If there is no conference there is no payout, or a (12) way split. The waiting game also puts OSU/WSU in jeopardy on missing a chance to merge and go on as the Pac2 which although possible will deplete any available funds far more rapidly. No one on this board has said a reverse merger is awesome and is a great deal compared to being in the Pac12 that no longer exists. What they've explained again... and AGAIN, ad nauseum... is the money trail and requirements to keep it, and the reality of one solution vs the fantasy on one that has been repeatedly shown to be nonexistent. As far as coaches leaving... BS! It happens at all levels ALL the time, and when it happens and a key coach states, "I left because OSU is in a weaker conference." It remains BS, but I'm sure there will someone here who'll gladly pat themselves on the back for being right on their doom and gloom prediction. Recruiting... funny it seems folks here think OSU recruits at some high level. In the last decade they are regularly at the bottom tier of the Pac12. It would not change and they would be the same in a 16 team B12... probably in the 10-13th range, OSU is not some elite program being relegated to some minor league. Nor will they become elite in the B12. It is so, weird... if the Pac12 remained, would OSU suddenly become a household name? But, in the B12 OSU would suddenly ascend in recruiting and stature?? Using just one site quickly: 2024... OSU would rank 12th in the new B12... 17th in the new B10 With lesser teams than 2024, and without the new teams: 2023... 9th in B12... 11th in B10 2022... 9th in B12... Last below #14 in B10 (OSU's best rank in Pac12/6th in some time!) 2021... Last, below #10 in B12... Last below #14 in B10 2020... 10th in B12... 12th in the B10 2019... 8th in B12... 13th in the B10 In terms of type of recruits, about 95%+ are 3* which is what the G5 pulls in. As far overall ranking points: 2019... #1 among G5 schools... just ahead of BSU 2020... #2 among G5 2021... #43 among G5 2022... #3 among G5 2023... #1 among G5 OSU's successes has and will be the development of 3* types with a quality coaching staff and the selective use of portal transfers of players that chose incorrectly during recruiting. OSU recruits and will continue to recruit in the bottom tier of P5 schools, and far more closely to highly successful G5 teams. It didn't chage as a member of the Pac12, it will not as a member of the B12. I'm wondering if many of those who say bringing in the MWC will kill recruiting are the same people who have been griping about how we've been fighting G5 schools for recruits and can't recruit at a P5 level these last several years? That'd take a bunch of message board review and really really big spreadsheet to figure out. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 13:15:07 GMT -8
Again, if you don't like the MWC reverse merger, show me a viable alternative. Not some pie-in-the-sky dream the Big 12 will take us, when they have shown on numerous instances that they don't want us. The Pac-12 is going away. So it really doesn't matter how "content" were are playing in it. And yes, flourished. The MWC has consistently been the best of the non-power 5 conferences over the years. You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. This is completely false. Boise St. doesn't even have the largest budget. San Diego St. has an athletics budget of $68M. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 17, 2023 13:15:10 GMT -8
You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. Seems you are looking at this as the only possible outcome is to join the MWC under their name and their media contract. Several of us are looking at joining under the PAC umbrella. That keeps the Pac history alive, keeps NCAA and other money alive for at least a couple years, potentially keeps P5 status alive long term, and puts us to be in position of potentially being top dog in the conference long term - other than P4 status, none of that comes with joining the Big 12. The Olympic sports will be figured out. NIL money comes from the fans, if they decide to drop support of the Beavers because they're not in the Big 12, what kind of fans are they? As far as budgets/layoffs/etc go, we really dont know for sure what those will look like. My "crazy" guess is Barnes and Murthy have a way better handle on it than we on the message boards, and Murthy has publicly stated the best path forward for OSU is to rebuild the PAC - I'm not going to brashly claim she's mistaken. I expect we will have a lower paying media contract than today, how much lower is yet to be seen, but I bet it's significantly higher than what the MWC is currently bringing in, and once again I will defer to Barnes and Murthy, who probably have a far better idea of where that stands. Things aren't rosey, but they're probably not as pathetic as some people seem to think. Oh no. I fully believe the likely outcome is the Reverse Merger. That MWC combines into the Pac-12 and the new Pac-12 is OSU/WSU and the MWC teams. I am just starting to get lazy about how I talking about "joining with the MWC" and to be sure there are two very different approaches and the reverse merger one is the better of the two. I think the majority of us believe "joining the MWC" really means "reverse merger". I fully believe OSU/WSU will make raise the current profile of the MWC and a new media deal will be worth more than pennies the MWC gets now. I just don't think it gets too far above and average per team value of $10-$12M. so the question really is how much does the MWC tolerate taking unequal shares to boost OSU/WSU from the pool? We will get more under the Pac-12 banner, but I think there is no path that makes us whole to $95 million. maybe we aren't cutting $41 million (the current projected shortfall) maybe we are only cutting $20M. we are still cutting, probably, it will still hurt. That is why we dream about positive court rulings, massive hidden caches of assets, mountains of pristine media equipment ready to fetch top dollar from broadcasters, etc... so we don't face the hard choices that are probably coming. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 17, 2023 13:21:00 GMT -8
You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. This is completely false. Boise St. doesn't even have the largest budget. San Diego St. has an athletics budget of $68M. You are right, I was looking at 2021 stats. SDSU took a massive jump from $48M in 2021 to $65.8M in 2022. Side note, Boise St. made a profit on their $50M budget in 2022. Or so they claim. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 13:32:54 GMT -8
This is completely false. Boise St. doesn't even have the largest budget. San Diego St. has an athletics budget of $68M. You are right, I was looking at 2021 stats. SDSU took a massive jump from $48M in 2021 to $65.8M in 2022. Side note, Boise St. made a profit on their $50M budget in 2022. Or so they claim. That is all voodoo accounting. It's the same thing that hole does.....they move certain expenses related to facilities to the academic side so they can claim that they are operating in the black. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 17, 2023 13:33:06 GMT -8
You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. Oregon State can neither lose full sports programs nor scholarships and maintain FBS status. Unless Oregon State can come up with money in other ways, I assume that Oregon State will look to eliminate the bloat somewhere other than cutting programs and scholarships. The rest of your post is pretty much spot on. I think we are at 17 right? that is what the athletic department reports. in theory we can cut 1. I think scholarships can still be cut. FBS minimum is 210 athletic scholarships combing to $6 million annual spent on scholarships and football must provide 90% of the maximum 85. (basically 77 scholarships). OSU currently offers 370 full and partial scholarships costing $10.1M |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 13:40:59 GMT -8
I looked. 2022. (No reason, just easy to type in.) Week 6 (same as now). Pac 12: 4 teams ranked. Lowest is Utah at 16. Highest is Trojans at 6. MW: 0 2018 Pac 12: 4 MW: 0 I think I'm missing your point. It's actually week 7. You said "finally" as though the MWC had no ranked team earlier this season. I was responding to your use of the word "finally" You skipped 2021 wich had only 1 ranked team from the Pac and 1 from the MWC in week 7, and 2019 and 2020 which had 2 Pac teams and a MWC team each year in week 7. The PAC is a stronger conference in general, but in a lot of years lately the pac hasn't been as loaded as the last 2. I consider having just one more ranked team at any given time to not be much of a difference... if you think it is, you would have to admit this season and the last the Pac was different than at least a few of its prior seasons. I didn't respond to your criticism of my use of "finally." You made a valid point. I selected years at random. I did not skip anything because that would mean I wouldn't be picking at random. As for the week being 7, so sue me. I can't count. BFD. Really doesn't change much, wouldn't you agree? We can see from your data that the MWC averages at best 1 ranked team a year. Putting your data and my data together, the Pac averages 2.6 ranked teams a year. A slight difference in your eyes, perhaps, but a big difference. I'd challenge you to look further at the rankings. How many top ten rankings has the MW had in the past 5 years. 10 years? How many top 15 rankings? I don't want to be a dick about it, but for too long we have all watched how the Beavers get snubbed by the polls, while other teams get the nod. I'm saying to look at that very closely because a move to the MW means we live with that as long as we are there. We will have to be perfect (like Air Force) to barely dip into the poll. The fact that the Beavers started the year ranked this year really meant a lot to Beaver Nation. You're ready to throw all that away? |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 13:42:55 GMT -8
It's actually week 7. You said "finally" as though the MWC had no ranked team earlier this season. I was responding to your use of the word "finally" You skipped 2021 wich had only 1 ranked team from the Pac and 1 from the MWC in week 7, and 2019 and 2020 which had 2 Pac teams and a MWC team each year in week 7. The PAC is a stronger conference in general, but in a lot of years lately the pac hasn't been as loaded as the last 2. I consider having just one more ranked team at any given time to not be much of a difference... if you think it is, you would have to admit this season and the last the Pac was different than at least a few of its prior seasons. I didn't respond to your criticism of my use of "finally." You made a valid point. I selected years at random. I did not skip anything because that would mean I wouldn't be picking at random. As for the week being 7, so sue me. I can't count. BFD. Really doesn't change much, wouldn't you agree? We can see from your data that the MWC averages at best 1 ranked team a year. Putting your data and my data together, the Pac averages 2.6 ranked teams a year. A slight difference in your eyes, perhaps, but a big difference. I'd challenge you to look further at the rankings. How many top ten rankings has the MW had in the past 5 years. 10 years? How many top 15 rankings? I don't want to be a dick about it, but for too long we have all watched how the Beavers get snubbed by the polls, while other teams get the nod. I'm saying to look at that very closely because a move to the MW means we live with that as long as we are there. We will have to be perfect (like Air Force) to barely dip into the poll. The fact that the Beavers started the year ranked this year really meant a lot to Beaver Nation. You're ready to throw all that away?So, if we bitch hard enough, the situation will change? Don't think so. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 13:47:08 GMT -8
You can not like the idea and still accept it is probably the most likely outcome. Make no mistake, being forced to merge with the MWC is a massive, MASSIVE kick in the dick. Period. There is no real silver lining to this. I accept it will probably happen. But I hate the idea of. It is such a tremendous slap in the face. And I don't mean that to disrespect the MWC, who has many great football teams in it. Fresno, Boise, Air Force, SDSU, Utah State have all show the ability to routinely field excellent, top-25 worthy teams. Doesn't change the fact they get no respect in the national media and they get s%#t for TV exposure, and they get basically zero dollars. These schools get paid by CBS less per year than we pay our football coaching staff. Let that sink in. They make less money than we pay one coaching staff on one sport. Oregon State has a $95 million athletic budget. Boise St. is the largest spender in the MWC and has a $50M budget. We are all living on a prayer that all these legal machinations can fill a massive, massive hole we are about to face. because joining the MWC even through a reverse merger has no path but to leave us with a $30-$40 million budget hole to fill. We are literally begging the legislature for money here, dude. We will lose full sports programs. we will lose scholarships. Tell me where the Flourishing is in that? we are about to have to lay off half our athletic department and slash our sports programs. And you want to pretend like we are going to flourish? Yes. in the MWC, OSU and WSU are probably going to routinely dominate. We are still advantaged, relatively speaking. but at what cost? The cost of half our Olympic sports, all our NIL money and and any hope of a facility improvement in the future. MWC maybe the reality. It is what is likely. We probably need to accept that. But lets not pretend this is good and the road ahead is easy. It is an ugly future. If there is even a 1% chance we can get a Big-12 invite we need to hope against hope we get that chance. Seems you are looking at this as the only possible outcome is to join the MWC under their name and their media contract. Several of us are looking at joining under the PAC umbrella. That keeps the Pac history alive, keeps NCAA and other money alive for at least a couple years, potentially keeps P5 status alive long term, and puts us to be in position of potentially being top dog in the conference long term - other than P4 status, none of that comes with joining the Big 12. The Olympic sports will be figured out. NIL money comes from the fans, if they decide to drop support of the Beavers because they're not in the Big 12, what kind of fans are they? As far as budgets/layoffs/etc go, we really dont know for sure what those will look like. My "crazy" guess is Barnes and Murthy have a way better handle on it than we on the message boards, and Murthy has publicly stated the best path forward for OSU is to rebuild the PAC - I'm not going to brashly claim she's mistaken. I expect we will have a lower paying media contract than today, how much lower is yet to be seen, but I bet it's significantly higher than what the MWC is currently bringing in, and once again I will defer to Barnes and Murthy, who probably have a far better idea of where that stands. Things aren't rosey, but they're probably not as pathetic as some people seem to think. The only way to avoid joining the MW is to not take all the teams into the New and Improved Pac. Accepting the entire conference may pull the wool over some people's eyes, but not most. I'm not so sure that there is Pac History to be salvaged at this point. It keeps the name alive, but what if people associate the Pac with MWC? Does that raise up the MWC or sully the Pac name? Like I said earlier, take only the best from the MW. See if we can poach a few others. And rebuild from there. Taking the whole conference would be foolish. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 17, 2023 13:52:39 GMT -8
Seems you are looking at this as the only possible outcome is to join the MWC under their name and their media contract. Several of us are looking at joining under the PAC umbrella. That keeps the Pac history alive, keeps NCAA and other money alive for at least a couple years, potentially keeps P5 status alive long term, and puts us to be in position of potentially being top dog in the conference long term - other than P4 status, none of that comes with joining the Big 12. The Olympic sports will be figured out. NIL money comes from the fans, if they decide to drop support of the Beavers because they're not in the Big 12, what kind of fans are they? As far as budgets/layoffs/etc go, we really dont know for sure what those will look like. My "crazy" guess is Barnes and Murthy have a way better handle on it than we on the message boards, and Murthy has publicly stated the best path forward for OSU is to rebuild the PAC - I'm not going to brashly claim she's mistaken. I expect we will have a lower paying media contract than today, how much lower is yet to be seen, but I bet it's significantly higher than what the MWC is currently bringing in, and once again I will defer to Barnes and Murthy, who probably have a far better idea of where that stands. Things aren't rosey, but they're probably not as pathetic as some people seem to think. The only way to avoid joining the MW is to not take all the teams into the New and Improved Pac. Accepting the entire conference may pull the wool over some people's eyes, but not most. I'm not so sure that there is Pac History to be salvaged at this point. It keeps the name alive, but what if people associate the Pac with MWC? Does that raise up the MWC or sully the Pac name? Like I said earlier, take only the best from the MW. See if we can poach a few others. And rebuild from there. Taking the whole conference would be foolish. Who's "eyes"?? What? The MWC will merge as a whole for now. Why would some teams vote to then not be included. All or nothing. And "nothing" screws OSU. MWC votes to dissolve takes a vote that will include not leaving out some teams. Why would OSU do to others what was done to it? Once a merged conference exists, and bylaws established, teams can then move forward and prep for the next media deals and realignment possibilities. BUT, it will be ALL the MWC for now. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 13:54:15 GMT -8
I didn't respond to your criticism of my use of "finally." You made a valid point. I selected years at random. I did not skip anything because that would mean I wouldn't be picking at random. As for the week being 7, so sue me. I can't count. BFD. Really doesn't change much, wouldn't you agree? We can see from your data that the MWC averages at best 1 ranked team a year. Putting your data and my data together, the Pac averages 2.6 ranked teams a year. A slight difference in your eyes, perhaps, but a big difference. I'd challenge you to look further at the rankings. How many top ten rankings has the MW had in the past 5 years. 10 years? How many top 15 rankings? I don't want to be a dick about it, but for too long we have all watched how the Beavers get snubbed by the polls, while other teams get the nod. I'm saying to look at that very closely because a move to the MW means we live with that as long as we are there. We will have to be perfect (like Air Force) to barely dip into the poll. The fact that the Beavers started the year ranked this year really meant a lot to Beaver Nation. You're ready to throw all that away?So, if we bitch hard enough, the situation will change? Don't think so. So it is bitching not to acquiesce to your presumed future for the Beavers? Your presumed future for the Beavers involves accepting defeat; I would be ashamed to acquiesce to such a thing. And bitching about my bitching doesn't leave you innocent. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 17, 2023 13:54:58 GMT -8
The only way to avoid joining the MW is to not take all the teams into the New and Improved Pac. Accepting the entire conference may pull the wool over some people's eyes, but not most. I'm not so sure that there is Pac History to be salvaged at this point. It keeps the name alive, but what if people associate the Pac with MWC? Does that raise up the MWC or sully the Pac name? Like I said earlier, take only the best from the MW. See if we can poach a few others. And rebuild from there. Taking the whole conference would be foolish. Who's "eyes"?? What? The MWC will merge as a whole for now. Why would some teams vote to then not be included. All or nothing. And "nothing" screws OSU. MWC votes to dissolve takes a vote that will include not leaving out some teams. Why would OSU do to others what was done to it? Once a merged conference exists, and bylaws established, teams can then move forward and prep for the next media deals and realignment possibilities. BUT, it will be ALL the MWC for now. Plus, if you only take the best, you would have to pay the buyout fees which would eat up most of the existing Pac 12 assets. |
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