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Post by speakthetruth on Oct 16, 2023 16:20:22 GMT -8
One thing for sure pac12 quality athletes dream about the chance of playing MWC teams. Lol.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 16, 2023 18:14:18 GMT -8
One thing for sure pac12 quality athletes dream about the chance of playing MWC teams. Lol. You obviously don’t follow recruiting. We have been competing with MWC schools for years. |
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Post by grayman on Oct 16, 2023 19:35:32 GMT -8
Yes, there are often MWC teams among the teams listed as interested on 3-star players' recruiting lists when those players are from the West Coast.
How often have those teams beat out OSU or other Pac-12 teams? Rarely. It's way more about being a school in the region and that's just to be mentioned as an also-ran.
What about transfers like DJU? Or Fenwick? Or Hart? Or Chatfield? No way they transfer to the MWC. Bloomfield transfered from Utah State. I'm sure that he wanted to stay in the MWC, though.
Martinez? Velling? LOL. And Velling had Michigan on his list.
And with Smith the gap has widened significantly.
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Post by speakthetruth on Oct 16, 2023 19:53:06 GMT -8
One thing for sure pac12 quality athletes dream about the chance of playing MWC teams. Lol. You obviously don’t follow recruiting. We have been competing with MWC schools for years. Oh I follow recruiting. Athletes from all sports come to OSU so they can play power 5 teams. Oregon state beating ucla gets national attention. Next year oregon state beating New Mexico or Wyoming or Utah State won't even register a blip |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 16, 2023 20:49:25 GMT -8
You obviously don’t follow recruiting. We have been competing with MWC schools for years. Oh I follow recruiting. Athletes from all sports come to OSU so they can play power 5 teams. Oregon state beating ucla gets national attention. Next year oregon state beating New Mexico or Wyoming or Utah State won't even register a blip If you actually followed recruiting you'd know for the majority of recruits getting a schollie and PT are first and foremost. What school and their relationship with the staff is far more important than the conference. Most all the supposed recruiting "watchers" focus on big names and the schools that get them. That is a miniscule # of the total D1 recruits each year. Lower tier P5 and G5 schools have tons of talent. They just don't have them 3,4,5 deep. Plenty of those kids are just as talented as the "names" tossed around recruiting circles. They just don't play at big time HS teams & leagues. There are so many talented kids out there. Just look at the makeup of the "not for long" league. Last time I saw there were like 400 or so from those inferior recruiting teams. It has bounced between 30-32%. And, the approximately 70% from P5 are largely from a small number of schools... typically 50% from the SEC/B10. The NFL aside, there are plenty of talented players that will continue to be attracted to OSU. The entire idea of recruiting demise is made up. OSU's success is based on finding and developing talent. And the portal will still be a help. Players who love it at OSU are the key. They are the salesman. Players want to play and play for a staff who connects and develops them. That won't change at OSU. Funny how some seemingly know the MWC move is a sure fire failure. But, the other option isn't possible? |
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Post by jimbeav on Oct 16, 2023 23:02:09 GMT -8
One thing for sure pac12 quality athletes dream about the chance of playing MWC teams. Lol. You obviously don’t follow recruiting. We have been competing with MWC schools for years. This was true under GAG. Not so much under Smith. I expect similar results when we are once again primarily recruiting against MWC recruits. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 16, 2023 23:25:46 GMT -8
You obviously don’t follow recruiting. We have been competing with MWC schools for years. This was true under GAG. Not so much under Smith. I expect similar results when we are once again primarily recruiting against MWC recruits. Pick a site... check. OSU hasn't made any significant jump since GAG. On a couple of these sites OSU is typically #9-11 in Pac12 rankings. I believe OSU was maybe 6th one season, 2019 ish? Usually look at 50th and below nationally. Also several G5 schools are near or above OSU. A recent season about 30 were higher. OSU is what it is. A 10 win season got us to 9th in the Pac12 rankings. New coaches and portal departure disasters, ASU & Stanford, were better! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 17, 2023 6:31:39 GMT -8
Yes football makes the money but so far I haven't heard anybody talk about baseball, softball, men and women soccer, gymnastics, wrestling, etc..Do most of the MWC schools even have these sports? If they do they aren't anywhere near the quality of our teams. Hoping the Big12 comes calling because a merger, reverse merger...whatever you want to call it is a death knell for beaver sports.And yet somehow the Mountain West Conference has flourished this entire century. What will kill Beaver sports is if the P5 or nothing fans desert it after the Pac-12 as currently composed dissolves. If it comes to a reverse merger and the fans continue to support our programs, we will be fine. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Oct 17, 2023 6:31:46 GMT -8
Oh I follow recruiting. Athletes from all sports come to OSU so they can play power 5 teams. Oregon state beating ucla gets national attention. Next year oregon state beating New Mexico or Wyoming or Utah State won't even register a blip If you actually followed recruiting you'd know for the majority of recruits getting a schollie and PT are first and foremost. What school and their relationship with the staff is far more important than the conference. Most all the supposed recruiting "watchers" focus on big names and the schools that get them. That is a miniscule # of the total D1 recruits each year. Lower tier P5 and G5 schools have tons of talent. They just don't have them 3,4,5 deep. Plenty of those kids are just as talented as the "names" tossed around recruiting circles. They just don't play at big time HS teams & leagues. There are so many talented kids out there. Just look at the makeup of the "not for long" league. Last time I saw there were like 400 or so from those inferior recruiting teams. It has bounced between 30-32%. And, the approximately 70% from P5 are largely from a small number of schools... typically 50% from the SEC/B10. The NFL aside, there are plenty of talented players that will continue to be attracted to OSU. The entire idea of recruiting demise is made up. OSU's success is based on finding and developing talent. And the portal will still be a help. Players who love it at OSU are the key. They are the salesman. Players want to play and play for a staff who connects and develops them. That won't change at OSU. Funny how some seemingly know the MWC move is a sure fire failure. But, the other option isn't possible? You mention relationship with staff. It appears we have a very good staff right now. After the sledgehammer comes with budget cuts how many of this staff and the other coaching staffs in other sports are still going to be around? |
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 6:36:20 GMT -8
This was true under GAG. Not so much under Smith. I expect similar results when we are once again primarily recruiting against MWC recruits. Pick a site... check. OSU hasn't made any significant jump since GAG. On a couple of these sites OSU is typically #9-11 in Pac12 rankings. I believe OSU was maybe 6th one season, 2019 ish? Usually look at 50th and below nationally. Also several G5 schools are near or above OSU. A recent season about 30 were higher. OSU is what it is. A 10 win season got us to 9th in the Pac12 rankings. New coaches and portal departure disasters, ASU & Stanford, were better! This is part of the reason we are in this predicament in the first place. OSU has had no brand, no staying power, no true identity--except that of a hapless team that is more likely to produce a string of losing seasons than to make it to a bowl game of some importance.
What you are saying is that this is OSU and we should be content with that. We aren't a good enough school to draw real talent and compete with the likes of U of O. Accept it. Join the MW. We'll be a bigger fish there, maybe.
What others are saying is that OSU can be more. We are not limited by our past, and CJS has shown us that a legitimate program can be built. We look at U of O and think that with the right coach, that could be us. And we think CJS is that coach. We aren't ready to settle for something less than competing at the highest level, and competing against Wyoming and San Jose State is not competing at the highest level.
And if you're going to say, "But U of O has Phil Knight", I'll just remind you that winning brings money in. Sure, we may never have a Phil Knight, but neither do most universities. Look at our baseball program. Doesn't it bring in a respectable amount of money from donors? That's what winning does. Everybody wants a winner.
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Post by irimi on Oct 17, 2023 6:44:05 GMT -8
Yes football makes the money but so far I haven't heard anybody talk about baseball, softball, men and women soccer, gymnastics, wrestling, etc..Do most of the MWC schools even have these sports? If they do they aren't anywhere near the quality of our teams. Hoping the Big12 comes calling because a merger, reverse merger...whatever you want to call it is a death knell for beaver sports.And yet somehow the Mountain West Conference has flourished this entire century. What will kill Beaver sports is if the P5 or nothing fans desert it after the Pac-12 as currently composed dissolves. If it comes to a reverse merger and the fans continue to support our programs, we will be fine. Flourished?
This week, they finally have a team in the Top 25--Air Force (6-0).
Doesn't that feel so damned familiar? That they have to overachieve to get the slightest nod. A 6-0 Air Force is still ranked behind 5-2 LSU.
And we should be content with being placed in that conference? After playing in a conference where half of the teams are ranked?
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Post by jrbeavo on Oct 17, 2023 7:06:52 GMT -8
This was true under GAG. Not so much under Smith. I expect similar results when we are once again primarily recruiting against MWC recruits. Pick a site... check. OSU hasn't made any significant jump since GAG. On a couple of these sites OSU is typically #9-11 in Pac12 rankings. I believe OSU was maybe 6th one season, 2019 ish? Usually look at 50th and below nationally. Also several G5 schools are near or above OSU. A recent season about 30 were higher. OSU is what it is. A 10 win season got us to 9th in the Pac12 rankings. New coaches and portal departure disasters, ASU & Stanford, were better! Ok Gloria, we get your point. The points have been made by so many others that there is no point in repeating them. The idea that we would just roll along as if nothing changed once our budget is impacted by drastically falling revenues, and we cannot convince top level portal kids to come...we will be relegated to nothing. Please tell me the last time anyone gave a single damn about a Wyoming vs, say, San Jose State game? But our win over UCLA was among the lead highlights and discussion points. We will fade into irrelevancy if the MW is our long term destination. The only thing that could pull us out of that is if the geographically-challenged realignment blows up due to travel. Our lawyers better go to the wall, and we better pray for some breaking news from another conference. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 7:23:37 GMT -8
And yet somehow the Mountain West Conference has flourished this entire century. What will kill Beaver sports is if the P5 or nothing fans desert it after the Pac-12 as currently composed dissolves. If it comes to a reverse merger and the fans continue to support our programs, we will be fine. Flourished?
This week, they finally have a team in the Top 25--Air Force (6-0).
Doesn't that feel so damned familiar? That they have to overachieve to get the slightest nod. A 6-0 Air Force is still ranked behind 5-2 LSU.
And we should be content with being placed in that conference? After playing in a conference where half of the teams are ranked?
As far as “finally” goes, Fresno State has spent much of the season in the top 25. They got beat by Wyoming, who should be considered for the Top 25 , and dropped out. This is potentially the PAC’s strongest year ever, try comparing the MWC with the PAC of a few years back and there’s not as much difference between the two. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 17, 2023 7:30:33 GMT -8
Pick a site... check. OSU hasn't made any significant jump since GAG. On a couple of these sites OSU is typically #9-11 in Pac12 rankings. I believe OSU was maybe 6th one season, 2019 ish? Usually look at 50th and below nationally. Also several G5 schools are near or above OSU. A recent season about 30 were higher. OSU is what it is. A 10 win season got us to 9th in the Pac12 rankings. New coaches and portal departure disasters, ASU & Stanford, were better! Ok Gloria, we get your point. The points have been made by so many others that there is no point in repeating them. The idea that we would just roll along as if nothing changed once our budget is impacted by drastically falling revenues, and we cannot convince top level portal kids to come...we will be relegated to nothing. Please tell me the last time anyone gave a single damn about a Wyoming vs, say, San Jose State game? But our win over UCLA was among the lead highlights and discussion points. We will fade into irrelevancy if the MW is our long term destination. The only thing that could pull us out of that is if the geographically-challenged realignment blows up due to travel. Our lawyers better go to the wall, and we better pray for some breaking news from another conference. You are jumping to conclusions. 6 or 7 years ago, OSU was one of the worst football schools in D1 ball. Now it’s certainly not. Things change over time. The one thing I see, is with all the conference upheaval, I’m glad Barnes, our coaches and our team are publicly way more upbeat than some of our fans are. |
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Post by jrbeavo on Oct 17, 2023 7:32:18 GMT -8
Ok Gloria, we get your point. The points have been made by so many others that there is no point in repeating them. The idea that we would just roll along as if nothing changed once our budget is impacted by drastically falling revenues, and we cannot convince top level portal kids to come...we will be relegated to nothing. Please tell me the last time anyone gave a single damn about a Wyoming vs, say, San Jose State game? But our win over UCLA was among the lead highlights and discussion points. We will fade into irrelevancy if the MW is our long term destination. The only thing that could pull us out of that is if the geographically-challenged realignment blows up due to travel. Our lawyers better go to the wall, and we better pray for some breaking news from another conference. You are jumping to conclusions. 6 or 7 years ago, OSU was one of the worst football schools in D1 ball. Now it’s certainly not. Things change over time. The one thing I see, is with all the conference upheaval, I’m glad Barnes, our coaches and our team are publicly way more upbeat than some of our fans are. And I think there's a reason for that |
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