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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 2, 2023 13:44:02 GMT -8
irimi is right. Put us in a G5 conference, and, over a few years, our recruiting will fall off to that level, while Oregon will continue to buy 5 stars. Eventually, it would become like Navy's annual exercise in futility against Notre Dame. Continuing to play them for a payday would seem like groveling for a seat at the beggars' table. Let them go, and say f#*^ you on their way out the door. Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait, wait!!!!!!!! No!!!! This is satire, right? Dude, I know that you love Oregon, and all. But they are Notre Dame, now? When did that happen? Seriously? And Oregon State is Navy? That's also a serious statement? Teams that play annual nonconference games against "superior" opponents: Miami of Ohio plays Cincinnati pretty much every year, and the series is tied 60-60-7 Clemson plays South Carolina pretty much ever year, and Clemson is won 20-11, since South Carolina joined the SEC. Georgia Tech plays Georgia pretty much every year. Georgia Tech has won six times in the past 24 meetings. New Mexico State plays New Mexico pretty much very year. New Mexico has won 10 of the past 25 meetings. SMU plays TCU pretty much every year. SMU has won five times in the past 24 meetings. BYU plays Utah pretty much every year. BYU has won eight times in the past 24 meetings. Nevermind the fact that, even though the past 25 years have been "fair," Oregon State has only won eight times. I'm sorry, my boy. BYU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and SMU are not beggars. Hell, BYU and SMU did not cave in and kept playing the rivalry, and they earned invites. And that is what Oregon State did after the Pacific Coast Conference imploded in the late 50s. They kept playing as many Pacific Coast Conference teams as possible, until the AAWU invited Oregon State back in. You guarantee failure by giving up and surrendering. If Oregon State keeps scheduling the Pac-12 teams and beating the snot out of them, eventually there will be an invite. Not scheduling Pac-12 teams relegates Oregon State to be Army, getting crushed 18 times in the past 24 years by a Navy that continues to cash those Notre Dame checks and reinvesting the money back into superior facilities. Don't be Army, my boy! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 2, 2023 13:57:27 GMT -8
They don’t have to play against ex-Pac 12 members to have a strong OOC schedule. The next few years are already “improved” as far as names go with future games against Texas Tech, Ol’ Miss, Purdue. IF the Beavs end up with a weaker conference schedule I’d expect Barnes to focus on improving our OOC schedule to keep the Beavs relevant on the national scene instead of focusing on “winnable” games to get 6+ wins.
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Post by irimi on Oct 2, 2023 14:30:24 GMT -8
irimi is right. Put us in a G5 conference, and, over a few years, our recruiting will fall off to that level, while Oregon will continue to buy 5 stars. Eventually, it would become like Navy's annual exercise in futility against Notre Dame. Continuing to play them for a payday would seem like groveling for a seat at the beggars' table. Let them go, and say f#*^ you on their way out the door. Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait, wait!!!!!!!! No!!!! This is satire, right? Dude, I know that you love Oregon, and all. But they are Notre Dame, now? When did that happen? Seriously? And Oregon State is Navy? That's also a serious statement? Teams that play annual nonconference games against "superior" opponents: Miami of Ohio plays Cincinnati pretty much every year, and the series is tied 60-60-7 Clemson plays South Carolina pretty much ever year, and Clemson is won 20-11, since South Carolina joined the SEC. Georgia Tech plays Georgia pretty much every year. Georgia Tech has won six times in the past 24 meetings. New Mexico State plays New Mexico pretty much very year. New Mexico has won 10 of the past 25 meetings. SMU plays TCU pretty much every year. SMU has won five times in the past 24 meetings. BYU plays Utah pretty much every year. BYU has won eight times in the past 24 meetings. Nevermind the fact that, even though the past 25 years have been "fair," Oregon State has only won eight times. I'm sorry, my boy. BYU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and SMU are not beggars. Hell, BYU and SMU did not cave in and kept playing the rivalry, and they earned invites. And that is what Oregon State did after the Pacific Coast Conference imploded in the late 50s. They kept playing as many Pacific Coast Conference teams as possible, until the AAWU invited Oregon State back in. You guarantee failure by giving up and surrendering. If Oregon State keeps scheduling the Pac-12 teams and beating the snot out of them, eventually there will be an invite. Not scheduling Pac-12 teams relegates Oregon State to be Army, getting crushed 18 times in the past 24 years by a Navy that continues to cash those Notre Dame checks and reinvesting the money back into superior facilities. Don't be Army, my boy! You equate "giving up" and "surrendering" to failing, and you say that by not playing one stupid game, we are giving up and failing. I'm saying we definitely are not. If we aren't in the B1G, then playing Oregon is out of conference, and you just named a bunch of teams that I'd rather see us play. So there's no "failing" here. We are not giving up and we aren't surrendering. We just no longer give a flying f%#* about the rivalry. Why should we? You really think they gave us 2 seconds of thought? Let them play their "true" rival: UW. |
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Post by ftd on Oct 2, 2023 14:31:27 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 2, 2023 14:36:06 GMT -8
irimi Lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait, wait!!!!!!!! No!!!! This is satire, right? Dude, I know that you love Oregon, and all. But they are Notre Dame, now? When did that happen? Seriously? And Oregon State is Navy? That's also a serious statement? Teams that play annual nonconference games against "superior" opponents: Miami of Ohio plays Cincinnati pretty much every year, and the series is tied 60-60-7 Clemson plays South Carolina pretty much ever year, and Clemson is won 20-11, since South Carolina joined the SEC. Georgia Tech plays Georgia pretty much every year. Georgia Tech has won six times in the past 24 meetings. New Mexico State plays New Mexico pretty much very year. New Mexico has won 10 of the past 25 meetings. SMU plays TCU pretty much every year. SMU has won five times in the past 24 meetings. BYU plays Utah pretty much every year. BYU has won eight times in the past 24 meetings. Nevermind the fact that, even though the past 25 years have been "fair," Oregon State has only won eight times. I'm sorry, my boy. BYU, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and SMU are not beggars. Hell, BYU and SMU did not cave in and kept playing the rivalry, and they earned invites. And that is what Oregon State did after the Pacific Coast Conference imploded in the late 50s. They kept playing as many Pacific Coast Conference teams as possible, until the AAWU invited Oregon State back in. You guarantee failure by giving up and surrendering. If Oregon State keeps scheduling the Pac-12 teams and beating the snot out of them, eventually there will be an invite. Not scheduling Pac-12 teams relegates Oregon State to be Army, getting crushed 18 times in the past 24 years by a Navy that continues to cash those Notre Dame checks and reinvesting the money back into superior facilities. Don't be Army, my boy! You equate "giving up" and "surrendering" to failing, and you say that by not playing one stupid game, we are giving up and failing. I'm saying we definitely are not. If we aren't in the B1G, then playing Oregon is out of conference, and you just named a bunch of teams that I'd rather see us play. So there's no "failing" here. We are not giving up and we aren't surrendering. We just no longer give a flying f%#* about the rivalry. Why should we? You really think they gave us 2 seconds of thought? Let them play their "true" rival: UW. Just so I follow your overall "logic," though: We will be "behind" Oregon financially, so your solution to that problem is to intentionally have Oregon State make less money.  I named a bunch of schools that you would rather play? But how many would play Oregon State, home-and-home? And how many would be able to guarantee Oregon State $2 million per game? There is just no way that we can play as good of a team as Oregon home-and-home and hope to make anywhere near the money that Oregon can promise. There is no way to financially make it work realistically. There is swallowing your pride and playing Oregon for millions every year or.............finding some graves to rob? How do we make up that money? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 2, 2023 14:37:46 GMT -8
One of my old bosses kept rooting for Oregon State to play South Carolina in the Vegas Bowl.............for obvious reasons. Also, Oregon State should change its nickname from Beavers to Mammoths immediately. I have hated the nickname ever since they got rid of Old Benny. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 2, 2023 15:50:39 GMT -8
One of my old bosses kept rooting for Oregon State to play South Carolina in the Vegas Bowl.............for obvious reasons. Also, Oregon State should change its nickname from Beavers to Mammoths immediately. I have hated the nickname ever since they got rid of Old Benny. What year was it when the Gamecock backfield consisted of Smelley, Succop, and Crapnose? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 2, 2023 16:26:26 GMT -8
Army's problems with Navy were, in a large part, systemic, due to different academic, summer and fitness requirements for athletes at each institution.
Current Army coach Jeff Monken was an assistant at Navy under Paul Johnson. He knew Navy did things differently than Army, to the benefit of its football players. When he became head coach at Army, he asked for, and received, numerous changes in what was required of football players in terms of summer deployments, size (mostly weight) restrictions and other institutional rules Army had, but Navy didn't.
Army is 5-2 in the last seven games between the teams. We'll see how successful he remains with the changes to blocking rules that have forced him to alter his offense.
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Post by irimi on Oct 2, 2023 19:44:26 GMT -8
You equate "giving up" and "surrendering" to failing, and you say that by not playing one stupid game, we are giving up and failing. I'm saying we definitely are not. If we aren't in the B1G, then playing Oregon is out of conference, and you just named a bunch of teams that I'd rather see us play. So there's no "failing" here. We are not giving up and we aren't surrendering. We just no longer give a flying f%#* about the rivalry. Why should we? You really think they gave us 2 seconds of thought? Let them play their "true" rival: UW. Just so I follow your overall "logic," though: We will be "behind" Oregon financially, so your solution to that problem is to intentionally have Oregon State make less money. I named a bunch of schools that you would rather play? But how many would play Oregon State, home-and-home? And how many would be able to guarantee Oregon State $2 million per game? There is just no way that we can play as good of a team as Oregon home-and-home and hope to make anywhere near the money that Oregon can promise. There is no way to financially make it work realistically. There is swallowing your pride and playing Oregon for millions every year or.............finding some graves to rob? How do we make up that money? If we're in the Big 12, give them the finger and never look back. I'm not a whore. Money comes, money goes.
If we're going it alone basically as independents for a couple of year, maybe we could use the cash and the opponent. So maybe.
If we're in the MW or some hybrid thereof, nah. We'll need the money, sure, but the money alone won't buy what we lose with the step down.
And a curse upon you for selecting a gif from one of the s%#ttiest movies ever made.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 3, 2023 5:51:24 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that people think that if we move down to a lower conference, it will be the reason that we can’t recruit and fall way behind the ucks. Do people not realize that we were $68 million behind them last year in athletic revenue? We’ve already been way behind them in $$.
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 3, 2023 6:52:01 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that people think that if we move down to a lower conference, it will be the reason that we can’t recruit and fall way behind the ucks. Do people not realize that we were $68 million behind them last year in athletic revenue? We’ve already been way behind them in $$. And they still can't find adequate funding for sports like Beach Volleyball. |
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Post by rgeorge on Oct 3, 2023 10:09:35 GMT -8
I think it’s interesting that people think that if we move down to a lower conference, it will be the reason that we can’t recruit and fall way behind the ucks. Do people not realize that we were $68 million behind them last year in athletic revenue? We’ve already been way behind them in $$. And they still can't find adequate funding for sports like Beach Volleyball. That's actually not true in that they can, they choose not too. Oregon fields only one more sport than OSU with almost $70 million more in revenue. Of those sports several are relatively low cost/funded poorly (A&T, Beach VB, Tennis) for the very specific reason of being Title IX compliant without draining too much revenue. Beach VB got the clippings, but all three are funded on the cheap. All three should be investigated under Title IX for misrepresentation of equal opportunity. So, in essence "can't" is inaccurate. |
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Post by fishwrapper on Oct 3, 2023 11:18:37 GMT -8
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 3, 2023 11:58:06 GMT -8
And they still can't find adequate funding for sports like Beach Volleyball. That's actually not true in that they can, they choose not too. Oregon fields only one more sport than OSU with almost $70 million more in revenue. Of those sports several are relatively low cost/funded poorly (A&T, Beach VB, Tennis) for the very specific reason of being Title IX compliant without draining too much revenue. Beach VB got the clippings, but all three are funded on the cheap. All three should be investigated under Title IX for misrepresentation of equal opportunity. So, in essence "can't" is inaccurate. OK smart guy...you win. (May be sarcasm and distain for said athletic program. May be...)  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 3, 2023 12:27:05 GMT -8
Just so I follow your overall "logic," though: We will be "behind" Oregon financially, so your solution to that problem is to intentionally have Oregon State make less money. I named a bunch of schools that you would rather play? But how many would play Oregon State, home-and-home? And how many would be able to guarantee Oregon State $2 million per game? There is just no way that we can play as good of a team as Oregon home-and-home and hope to make anywhere near the money that Oregon can promise. There is no way to financially make it work realistically. There is swallowing your pride and playing Oregon for millions every year or.............finding some graves to rob? How do we make up that money? If we're in the Big 12, give them the finger and never look back. I'm not a whore. Money comes, money goes.
If we're going it alone basically as independents for a couple of year, maybe we could use the cash and the opponent. So maybe.
If we're in the MW or some hybrid thereof, nah. We'll need the money, sure, but the money alone won't buy what we lose with the step down.
And a curse upon you for selecting a gif from one of the s%#ttiest movies ever made. Dude, did you wake up on the wrong side of the bed yesterday? Yes, How the Grinch Stole Christmas is awful and darned near unwatchable, but I am posting from the best scene. Getting paid to beat the crap out of the Ducks on the field doesn't make us the whore. You are assuming failure and working from that assumption, which I cannot and do not believe will be the case. Oregon State has been doing more than Oregon with less for the past 25 years. Things may become more inequitable, but it is already like Ukraine fighting Russia anyway. Might as well take on Belarus, as well. Might as well give Oregon some foreign aid on top of it. F#*k it! We'll beat 'em or go out in a blaze of glory.  |
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