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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 1, 2023 9:30:35 GMT -8
On the whole Oregon State/oregon rivalry thing...
I'm kinda ready for it to die.
Here's what happens if it dies - uo probably becomes routinely the 4th to 8th most powerful team in the Big 10, and OSU probably becomes one of the top 2 teams in a rebuilt Pac or a good shot at being among the leaders of the Big 12.
It won't be being a fan of one school or the other, there very well could be a segment of fans that become true followers of both, AND, I'm thinking there's a lot more potential that if OSU does well for a couple years in whatever league it's in and the dux fare poorly in the Big 10 - The pendulum swings OSU direction in statewide fan support and 25 years worth of Fairweather duck fans might not be so loyal. I think that could be an interesting side effect to this Big 10 move uo hadn't considered.
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Post by seastape on Oct 1, 2023 14:14:11 GMT -8
It's kind of my fantasy that none of the traitorous ten teams can find any one on the west coast willing to play them and they will thus feel even more of the pinch of not being in a regional conference. But I think the reality is that even if OSU and WSU refuse to play the traitorous ten then they will still have their pick of teams for their non-conference games, which would soften the travel burdens of not being in western conferences.
The traitorous ten could play:
1) Other former Pac schools that are now in different conferences. E.g., UW could play the former Pac teams that are now in the Big 12 and ACC.
2) Mountain West teams.
3) G5 and 1AA schools from all around the country for body bag games at the home stadiums of the traitorous ten teams.
In the end, refusals by OSU and WSU to play the traitorous ten will only hurt OSU and WSU.
So, even though it makes me choke to say it, I would be for keeping the CW alive with the insistence that the games are played home-and-home. Honestly, OSU probably doesn't even have the power to demand that.
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Post by irimi on Oct 1, 2023 14:38:26 GMT -8
It's kind of my fantasy that none of the traitorous ten teams can find any one on the west coast willing to play them and they will thus feel even more of the pinch of not being in a regional conference. But I think the reality is that even if OSU and WSU refuse to play the traitorous ten then they will still have their pick of teams for their non-conference games, which would soften the travel burdens of not being in western conferences. The traitorous ten could play: 1) Other former Pac schools that are now in different conferences. E.g., UW could play the former Pac teams that are now in the Big 12 and ACC. 2) Mountain West teams. 3) G5 and 1AA schools from all around the country for body bag games at the home stadiums of the traitorous ten teams. In the end, refusals by OSU and WSU to play the traitorous ten will only hurt OSU and WSU. So, even though it makes me choke to say it, I would be for keeping the CW alive with the insistence that the games are played home-and-home. Honestly, OSU probably doesn't even have the power to demand that. I see you point, but there’s a lot of space in that point for playing NINE other schools. You make no case for the CW. I’d be happy playing Colorado. Their move made sense. Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, too. Cal and Stanford, the hapless lovable idiots. Then of the truly treacherous four, I would play UCLA, USC, Washington, Whoregon. In that order. Washington and Whoregon were the worst of all. They could’ve stayed. Their departure lead us to this. f%#* them. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2023 17:02:52 GMT -8
It's kind of my fantasy that none of the traitorous ten teams can find any one on the west coast willing to play them and they will thus feel even more of the pinch of not being in a regional conference. But I think the reality is that even if OSU and WSU refuse to play the traitorous ten then they will still have their pick of teams for their non-conference games, which would soften the travel burdens of not being in western conferences. The traitorous ten could play: 1) Other former Pac schools that are now in different conferences. E.g., UW could play the former Pac teams that are now in the Big 12 and ACC. 2) Mountain West teams. 3) G5 and 1AA schools from all around the country for body bag games at the home stadiums of the traitorous ten teams. In the end, refusals by OSU and WSU to play the traitorous ten will only hurt OSU and WSU. So, even though it makes me choke to say it, I would be for keeping the CW alive with the insistence that the games are played home-and-home. Honestly, OSU probably doesn't even have the power to demand that. I see you point, but there’s a lot of space in that point for playing NINE other schools. You make no case for the CW. I’d be happy playing Colorado. Their move made sense. Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, too. Cal and Stanford, the hapless lovable idiots. Then of the truly treacherous four, I would play UCLA, USC, Washington, Whoregon. In that order. Washington and Whoregon were the worst of all. They could’ve stayed. Their departure lead us to this. f%#* them. Wait, you want to play the 3 teams that bailed first? Hell no. Why does Colorado get a pass? They started the 2nd domino effect after the LA schools. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 1, 2023 19:09:18 GMT -8
I see you point, but there’s a lot of space in that point for playing NINE other schools. You make no case for the CW. I’d be happy playing Colorado. Their move made sense. Utah, Arizona and Arizona State, too. Cal and Stanford, the hapless lovable idiots. Then of the truly treacherous four, I would play UCLA, USC, Washington, Whoregon. In that order. Washington and Whoregon were the worst of all. They could’ve stayed. Their departure lead us to this. f%#* them. Wait, you want to play the 3 teams that bailed first? Hell no. Why does Colorado get a pass? They started the 2nd domino effect after the LA schools. Colorado leaving or staying wasn't doing anything for the Pac. And one could argue successfully, I think, that Colorado's move was in line with the other moves it made. Hiring Sanders as a head coach and returning to their old conference makes sense to jumpstart a dead team.
USC and UCLA have been full of themselves for year. Announcing their departure wasn't the end of the world. They could have done their little experiment and found out how stupid they are. But it was Oregon and Washington wanting to follow them that killed the conference.
If you see it differently, that's OK with me. I know I don't know as much about football as you.
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Post by 93beav on Oct 1, 2023 19:19:16 GMT -8
Sure - all of the schools that left could play PSU - do you want to be PSU? or even San Diego St? What purposes does the CW serve that you think can't be replaced? You don't think we could get a quality OOC opponent that fills Reser Stadium, because really that's the only thing I see. If you're just there for a $1 million paycheck while watching your team potentially get steamrolled (and let's be honest, playing in a non-P5 conference with less money will make a difference), what's the point? I feel like people are conflicted. They hate the way money drives everything but they're all about the money. In the current environment, the gap between have and have-nots is exponentially growing. Sorry, but Oregon State even if they made the Big-12 would still be more in the have-nots than the haves. Until the entire structure changes,an their own pool of unrestrained arrogance, they only consider themselves worthy of being each other's rival. Let them go be rivals then and see which one of them can cap off their fantastic 4 win season in the b1g with a win over the other. Why not just find a way to enjoy the game of football, instead of cracking the whip everywhere hoping once every ten years hoping you get mentioned as a play-off team? At first I was fairly off-put by joining the MWC and focusing on regionality. But standing back and watching the ridiculousness of where some of this is going, I think it would be just fine. Even the relegation system they spoke of sounds a bit entertaining. And maybe if they put some caps in place it won't be a constant push for donations and season tickets and extraneous fund donations and we can just enjoy the game. There's always baseball.  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 1, 2023 19:36:22 GMT -8
Wait, you want to play the 3 teams that bailed first? Hell no. Why does Colorado get a pass? They started the 2nd domino effect after the LA schools. Colorado leaving or staying wasn't doing anything for the Pac. And one could argue successfully, I think, that Colorado's move was in line with the other moves it made. Hiring Sanders as a head coach and returning to their old conference makes sense to jumpstart a dead team.
USC and UCLA have been full of themselves for year. Announcing their departure wasn't the end of the world. They could have done their little experiment and found out how stupid they are. But it was Oregon and Washington wanting to follow them that killed the conference.
If you see it differently, that's OK with me. I know I don't know as much about football as you.
What do schools bailing on our conference have anything to do with your lack of football knowledge? They all contributed to the downfall of the conference. f%#* em And UCLA and USC started it alll. |
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Post by irimi on Oct 1, 2023 20:00:52 GMT -8
Colorado leaving or staying wasn't doing anything for the Pac. And one could argue successfully, I think, that Colorado's move was in line with the other moves it made. Hiring Sanders as a head coach and returning to their old conference makes sense to jumpstart a dead team.
USC and UCLA have been full of themselves for year. Announcing their departure wasn't the end of the world. They could have done their little experiment and found out how stupid they are. But it was Oregon and Washington wanting to follow them that killed the conference.
If you see it differently, that's OK with me. I know I don't know as much about football as you.
What do schools bailing on our conference have anything to do with your lack of football knowledge? Good point, but you always seem to end up there, so I just threw out there first. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Oct 1, 2023 22:37:36 GMT -8
Assuming the civil war dies, and I believe it will, and the apple cup dies, as I also think will happen, no matter where we go, we're going there with Washington State. We've played them something like 108 times, and we're going to keep playing them. Over time, this is going to morph into our big rival. In 10 years, the undergraduates at both universities will all have grown up without the civil war, the apple cup, or any annual game against an opponent we will have played more than 19 times. But we'll have played Washington State 118 times, including every year they've been alive, and that will be T H E game for them.
And that will be good.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 1, 2023 22:45:01 GMT -8
Assuming the civil war dies, and I believe it will, and the apple cup dies, as I also think will happen, no matter where we go, we're going there with Washington State. We've played them something like 108 times, and we're going to keep playing them. Over time, this is going to morph into our big rival. In 10 years, the undergraduates at both universities will all have grown up without the civil war, the apple cup, or any annual game against an opponent we will have played more than 19 times. But we'll have played Washington State 118 times, including every year they've been alive, and that will be T H E game for them. And that will be good. But, what will the game be called? That’s the most important thing. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 2, 2023 8:50:32 GMT -8
Assuming the civil war dies, and I believe it will, and the apple cup dies, as I also think will happen, no matter where we go, we're going there with Washington State. We've played them something like 108 times, and we're going to keep playing them. Over time, this is going to morph into our big rival. In 10 years, the undergraduates at both universities will all have grown up without the civil war, the apple cup, or any annual game against an opponent we will have played more than 19 times. But we'll have played Washington State 118 times, including every year they've been alive, and that will be T H E game for them. And that will be good. But, what will the game be called? That’s the most important thing. The Civil Cup. The Apple War. The Everybody Watches Us Cup. |
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Post by ftd on Oct 2, 2023 8:58:11 GMT -8
But, what will the game be called? That’s the most important thing. The Civil Cup. The Apple War. The Everybody Watches Us Cup. The War Between the States? |
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Post by beavaristotle on Oct 2, 2023 9:19:47 GMT -8
Farmageddon
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 2, 2023 9:34:16 GMT -8
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Post by hottubbeaver on Oct 2, 2023 9:46:50 GMT -8
Assuming the civil war dies, and I believe it will, and the apple cup dies, as I also think will happen, no matter where we go, we're going there with Washington State. We've played them something like 108 times, and we're going to keep playing them. Over time, this is going to morph into our big rival. In 10 years, the undergraduates at both universities will all have grown up without the civil war, the apple cup, or any annual game against an opponent we will have played more than 19 times. But we'll have played Washington State 118 times, including every year they've been alive, and that will be T H E game for them. And that will be good. But, what will the game be called? That’s the most important thing. Dam Den Classic |
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