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Post by Mike84 on Aug 27, 2023 20:04:08 GMT -8
I've been off fishing and trying to enjoy life to take my mind off the unbelievable developments. For a guy who does not deal well with change, always tries to be positive, and has invested so much (way too much) emotional energy in OSU sports for 40+ years, what is happening to OSU in particular and college football in general has been very, very hard to grasp and accept.
I'm sure every aspect of all of this has been beaten to death on here and elsewhere in the media. So, I have nothing new to add. But, it seems to me...
That it's not at all a conspiracy theory that Fox wanted to destroy the Apple deal. Whether Fox also cared about destroying the PAC-12 or the PAC-12 network (which seems unlikely to me), they got that in the deal too. UofNike apologists like to say that the ducks and huskies only did what any of the schools would have done if they could. That was Fox's plan. Make it so two key teams would think of themselves instead of their commitment/promises to the conference, and effectively destroy the Apple deal by destroying the conference.
Knowing (believing) this does not in any way help me accept it. It seems like one of the greatest examples of what happens in the absence of regulation. With the NCAA unwilling or unable to stop it, college sports (NOT JUST FOOTBALL) has been blownn up.
What I do have to accept is that the content carriers now control everything. Not performance on the field, not tradition, not what is best for the fans or the student athletes, nothing but what is best for the content carriers.
So, to get to my point, it seems like, in the future, each team will negotiate their own media contacts with the content carriers. Fox or ESPN or Amazon or Apple will not make deals with conferences (if such a concept even exists in the future) but with each school independently. The schools with lots of national eyes will get the most money. It may even get renegotiated every season. The carrier(s) may even determine which opponents a team faces each year, based on the best story lines. There will be no reason for conferences. If this was already the way it was done, the PAC-12 could have stayed together, but it wouldn't have really mattered.
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Aug 27, 2023 20:18:34 GMT -8
That’s a sad state of affairs, but I think you are right…
Allowing athletes to be paid plus the media companies taking charge of things is ruining college sports. A one way ticket to… Oops - pull the head out and think positive...
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Post by ag87 on Aug 27, 2023 23:22:11 GMT -8
I've been off fishing and trying to enjoy life to take my mind off the unbelievable developments. For a guy who does not deal well with change, always tries to be positive, and has invested so much (way too much) emotional energy in OSU sports for 40+ years, what is happening to OSU in particular and college football in general has been very, very hard to grasp and accept. I'm sure every aspect of all of this has been beaten to death on here and elsewhere in the media. So, I have nothing new to add. But, it seems to me... That it's not at all a conspiracy theory that Fox wanted to destroy the Apple deal. Whether Fox also cared about destroying the PAC-12 or the PAC-12 network (which seems unlikely to me), they got that in the deal too. UofNike apologists like to say that the ducks and huskies only did what any of the schools would have done if they could. That was Fox's plan. Make it so two key teams would think of themselves instead of their commitment/promises to the conference, and effectively destroy the Apple deal by destroying the conference. Knowing (believing) this does not in any way help me accept it. It seems like one of the greatest examples of what happens in the absence of regulation. With the NCAA unwilling or unable to stop it, college sports (NOT JUST FOOTBALL) has been blownn up. What I do have to accept is that the content carriers now control everything. Not performance on the field, not tradition, not what is best for the fans or the student athletes, nothing but what is best for the content carriers. So, to get to my point, it seems like, in the future, each team will negotiate their own media contacts with the content carriers. Fox or ESPN or Amazon or Apple will not make deals with conferences (if such a concept even exists in the future) but with each school independently. The schools with lots of national eyes will get the most money. It may even get renegotiated every season. The carrier(s) may even determine which opponents a team faces each year, based on the best story lines. There will be no reason for conferences. If this was already the way it was done, the PAC-12 could have stayed together, but it wouldn't have really mattered. There is a lot of truth to that Mike. Fox and ESPN are Jeff Probst and the 130 or so football-playing D1 schools are competitors on the new Survivor. |
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Post by bill82 on Aug 28, 2023 4:17:03 GMT -8
Akin to the "Right to Work" movement, it is a "Right to Media" movement that is basically union busting. Conferences negotiate on behalf of a union of universities. The media needs to bust those unions to save money.
My latest Pac-X rebuild is based on R1* university status:
OSU-WSU
CSU-USU
UNLV-UN Reno
Tulane-Rice
Tulsa-Memphis
* R1 status is based on number of doctorate degrees conferred, research funding, diversity of undergraduate degrees. About 135 RI universities.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 28, 2023 6:38:55 GMT -8
We just don't matter in the national college football scene. We are a casualty......a castaway.
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Post by steinlager on Aug 28, 2023 6:56:58 GMT -8
We just don't matter in the national college football scene. We are a casualty......a castaway. If Beavs are in contention for Pac12 title we will matter on the national scene. The national media will have a hard time explaining Beavs future and how a solid team has no power conference. Lot's of pressure on the team to stick it to pretty much everyone. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 28, 2023 6:59:32 GMT -8
What the dux and fuskies did was akin to leaving your family on a sinking ship while securing a spot on a lifeboat for yourself. They could have stayed and manned the pumps or even bailed some of the water but instead they just pushed off exclaiming that their family would have done the same thing given the chance.
F' those scum sucking whores, This episode reveals the darkness and hollowness of their souls.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 28, 2023 7:05:43 GMT -8
We just don't matter in the national college football scene. We are a casualty......a castaway. If Beavs are in contention for Pac12 title we will matter on the national scene. The national media will have a hard time explaining Beavs future and how a solid team has no power conference. Lot's of pressure on the team to stick it to pretty much everyone. Yea, it would be pretty sweet to kick the door in this season. I think we need to win the conference to get that discussion going somewhere......and it still might not mean much. If anything, it will bring Smith to the forefront as the next big thing.....the whole "if he can do it Corvallis, imagine what he could do with real resources?" I wish our men's B ball program was better. That would've helped in all of this. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 28, 2023 7:11:10 GMT -8
What the dux and fuskies did was akin to leaving your family on a sinking ship while securing a spot on a lifeboat for yourself. They could have stayed and manned the pumps or even bailed some of the water but instead they just pushed off exclaiming that their family would have done the same thing given the chance. F' those scum sucking whores, This episode reveals the darkness and hollowness of their souls. Go Beavs!! What are they obligated to do. Again for a thousand times why are people content with giving the college presidents and athletic directors a free pass? Barnes is culpable too. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Aug 28, 2023 7:18:37 GMT -8
What the dux and fuskies did was akin to leaving your family on a sinking ship while securing a spot on a lifeboat for yourself. They could have stayed and manned the pumps or even bailed some of the water but instead they just pushed off exclaiming that their family would have done the same thing given the chance. F' those scum sucking whores, This episode reveals the darkness and hollowness of their souls. Go Beavs!! What are they obligated to do. Again for a thousand times why are people content with giving the college presidents and athletic directors a free pass? Barnes is culpable too. I guess no one is "obligated" to man the pumps and bail. And it was the presidents who jumped into the lifeboat....... |
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Post by vhalum92 on Aug 28, 2023 7:52:04 GMT -8
I agree with you Mike. On all points. I do think there could be some regret by the media folks. Who is going to fill that 7pm kick off slot every Saturday?
I can't figure out who to believe on social media anymore... but over the weekend there was rumors of us getting into the Big 12... right now that seems like a great idea even at a reduced rate.
We need to get more eyes on our sports programs, because other than Men's hoops, we have a good product across the board. Then position ourselves for the next round of adjusting. If football is headed to some monster 32 school league, looking more and more like the minor leagues for the NFL.... we won't have a seat in that situation regardless of the conference we are in. So then we adjust with those left and make the best of it.
One of my takeways... is to not care so much... I'm not sure I'm winning on that idea but I'm trying real hard ringo.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 28, 2023 10:07:36 GMT -8
We just don't matter in the national college football scene. We are a casualty......a castaway. Not only you, but many folks have this mantra and I wonder why it is important? First OSU will never be the program that "matters" on the national scene. It almost goes against what OSU represents and is exactly part of the persona we hate about many other teams. Who cares if fans on the East coast can't tell the difference between a uck or a Beaver? We know, we care. I'm really one that really gives an eff what other non-Beaver fans think is at all important and that includes the media folks. We all root for OSU not their level of national prominence. Hell, really is nice for our home team to be recognized and lauded. But, it actually is when it is deserved. But, I could care less that OSU is not a national story week in, week out. Plus, that's when the droves of "front runner" fans to come out of the woodwork. But, even the AD doesn't see national prominence as a goal. You do not redo do Reser to 35-36k seats thinking your football program is going to rise into the Top10-15 spotlight regularly. The size Reser almost eliminates the possibility of home and home games with elite P5 teams that ask for huge payouts. And, OSU is approaching the no-man's land of being too good to get invites to some of the regular Top 20 types for fear of getting beat on their home field. I want OSU to kick arse. I want our programs to be funded well enough to assure success. I hope the conference affiliation is more West coast based... selfishly, budget wise, and for the athletes. But, I'm not going to jump to outlandish conclusions about budgets, losing recruits/coaches, etc. It will be what it will be and we'll all know when it is time to know. But, OSU was never going to be nationally relevant on any consistent basis no matter their conference affiliation. I guess in very simplistic terms I like OSU as the "little engine that could". |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 28, 2023 10:26:01 GMT -8
We just don't matter in the national college football scene. We are a casualty......a castaway. Not only you, but many folks have this mantra and I wonder why it is important? First OSU will never be the program that "matters" on the national scene. It almost goes against what OSU represents and is exactly part of the persona we hate about many other teams. Who cares if fans on the East coast can't tell the difference between a uck or a Beaver? We know, we care. I'm really one that really gives an eff what other non-Beaver fans think is at all important and that includes the media folks. We all root for OSU not their level of national prominence. Hell, really is nice for our home team to be recognized and lauded. But, it actually is when it is deserved. But, I could care less that OSU is not a national story week in, week out. Plus, that's when the droves of "front runner" fans to come out of the woodwork. But, even the AD doesn't see national prominence as a goal. You do not redo do Reser to 35-36k seats thinking your football program is going to rise into the Top10-15 spotlight regularly. The size Reser almost eliminates the possibility of home and home games with elite P5 teams that ask for huge payouts. And, OSU is approaching the no-man's land of being too good to get invites to some of the regular Top 20 types for fear of getting beat on their home field. I want OSU to kick arse. I want our programs to be funded well enough to assure success. I hope the conference affiliation is more West coast based... selfishly, budget wise, and for the athletes. But, I'm not going to jump to outlandish conclusions about budgets, losing recruits/coaches, etc. It will be what it will be and we'll all know when it is time to know. But, OSU was never going to be nationally relevant on any consistent basis no matter their conference affiliation. I guess in very simplistic terms I like OSU as the "little engine that could". I think more people need to accept this / think like this and also consider alternatives in the future. Even if you get into the B12, then what? With the way the game is shaping up, you're going to be constantly chasing the money, year in and year out. Get a couple of promising prospects? They'll immediately have 6 figure deals waiting for them at another team. Get enough money to start making 6 figure deals yourself? By that time, someone will have 7 figure deals. SMUt is a perfect example - they have so much money they can just take MOST OF THE NEXT DECADE off in terms of media revenue. This is keeping up with the Joneses in overtime. It's like seeing your neighbor buy a boat, so you buy one, then you see another neighbor buy a beach house, so you buy one, then...etc. etc. There either needs to be a new central authority, not the NCAA, that is setup in a way where they have some teeth - even if the players are employees - or there needs to be a new league formed where they take the vast majority of the money out of the equation. I know the latter is unlikely, but I really think it's the best course. And people would worry we wouldn't be in the national conversation, but there are many, many, many, many more have-nots than haves. And when you have that many people invested in something and you are able to bring back regionality, I bet you'd have a product that would be constantly talked about. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 28, 2023 10:28:48 GMT -8
We just don't matter in the national college football scene. We are a casualty......a castaway. Not only you, but many folks have this mantra and I wonder why it is important? First OSU will never be the program that "matters" on the national scene. It almost goes against what OSU represents and is exactly part of the persona we hate about many other teams. Who cares if fans on the East coast can't tell the difference between a uck or a Beaver? We know, we care. I'm really one that really gives an eff what other non-Beaver fans think is at all important and that includes the media folks. We all root for OSU not their level of national prominence. Hell, really is nice for our home team to be recognized and lauded. But, it actually is when it is deserved. But, I could care less that OSU is not a national story week in, week out. Plus, that's when the droves of "front runner" fans to come out of the woodwork. But, even the AD doesn't see national prominence as a goal. You do not redo do Reser to 35-36k seats thinking your football program is going to rise into the Top10-15 spotlight regularly. The size Reser almost eliminates the possibility of home and home games with elite P5 teams that ask for huge payouts. And, OSU is approaching the no-man's land of being too good to get invites to some of the regular Top 20 types for fear of getting beat on their home field. I want OSU to kick arse. I want our programs to be funded well enough to assure success. I hope the conference affiliation is more West coast based... selfishly, budget wise, and for the athletes. But, I'm not going to jump to outlandish conclusions about budgets, losing recruits/coaches, etc. It will be what it will be and we'll all know when it is time to know. But, OSU was never going to be nationally relevant on any consistent basis no matter their conference affiliation. I guess in very simplistic terms I like OSU as the "little engine that could". Winning makes you relevant. Had we built up the program during the Ando years, instead of heading to the Pac 12 cellar, we might have different options today......timing is everything. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 28, 2023 10:41:08 GMT -8
Not only you, but many folks have this mantra and I wonder why it is important? First OSU will never be the program that "matters" on the national scene. It almost goes against what OSU represents and is exactly part of the persona we hate about many other teams. Who cares if fans on the East coast can't tell the difference between a uck or a Beaver? We know, we care. I'm really one that really gives an eff what other non-Beaver fans think is at all important and that includes the media folks. We all root for OSU not their level of national prominence. Hell, really is nice for our home team to be recognized and lauded. But, it actually is when it is deserved. But, I could care less that OSU is not a national story week in, week out. Plus, that's when the droves of "front runner" fans to come out of the woodwork. But, even the AD doesn't see national prominence as a goal. You do not redo do Reser to 35-36k seats thinking your football program is going to rise into the Top10-15 spotlight regularly. The size Reser almost eliminates the possibility of home and home games with elite P5 teams that ask for huge payouts. And, OSU is approaching the no-man's land of being too good to get invites to some of the regular Top 20 types for fear of getting beat on their home field. I want OSU to kick arse. I want our programs to be funded well enough to assure success. I hope the conference affiliation is more West coast based... selfishly, budget wise, and for the athletes. But, I'm not going to jump to outlandish conclusions about budgets, losing recruits/coaches, etc. It will be what it will be and we'll all know when it is time to know. But, OSU was never going to be nationally relevant on any consistent basis no matter their conference affiliation. I guess in very simplistic terms I like OSU as the "little engine that could". I think more people need to accept this / think like this and also consider alternatives in the future. Even if you get into the B12, then what? With the way the game is shaping up, you're going to be constantly chasing the money, year in and year out. Get a couple of promising prospects? They'll immediately have 6 figure deals waiting for them at another team. Get enough money to start making 6 figure deals yourself? By that time, someone will have 7 figure deals. SMUt is a perfect example - they have so much money they can just take MOST OF THE NEXT DECADE off in terms of media revenue. This is keeping up with the Joneses in overtime. It's like seeing your neighbor buy a boat, so you buy one, then you see another neighbor buy a beach house, so you buy one, then...etc. etc. There either needs to be a new central authority, not the NCAA, that is setup in a way where they have some teeth - even if the players are employees - or there needs to be a new league formed where they take the vast majority of the money out of the equation. I know the latter is unlikely, but I really think it's the best course. And people would worry we wouldn't be in the national conversation, but there are many, many, many, many more have-nots than haves. And when you have that many people invested in something and you are able to bring back regionality, I bet you'd have a product that would be constantly talked about. A completely related, but future topic that would take more time than any message board post(s) I would want to make... But, eventually I think the Top 30? 40? Will move into their own "organization"... the bottom 25% will ride the coattails as fodder for the Top10 and big media $ will run the entire organization. Will it be football only? Hard for one to screw your brothers then expect them to play you in other sports, but??? Maybe the NCAA will be bolstered, revamped, and run the remainder of true college sports. The media will find that their organized collective does not have enough programing to fill the needed time slots, so the "NCAA" brand will have plenty of money to distribute. And if the media collective is football only those school can pay hefty affiliation fees for the rest of their sports to have a conference. I would hope this "new" NCAA would control all aspects of the media deals, including bowls and bowl $, and have their own multi level of playoff systems. In that way a uniform media payout and bonus structure can be adopted. It would take a massive effort of cooperation among the have nots to revamp the NCAA via a majority of the voting block. But, they basically hold all the cards if they'd realize who would the elite teams have to play if not for the "other" FBS, FCS teams. Basically a giant EFF YOU to the media conference. Prob no tin my lifetime, but if I'm going to dream I'm going this route. |
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