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Post by sparty on Aug 29, 2023 5:49:12 GMT -8
Not only you, but many folks have this mantra and I wonder why it is important? First OSU will never be the program that "matters" on the national scene. It almost goes against what OSU represents and is exactly part of the persona we hate about many other teams. Who cares if fans on the East coast can't tell the difference between a uck or a Beaver? We know, we care. I'm really one that really gives an eff what other non-Beaver fans think is at all important and that includes the media folks. We all root for OSU not their level of national prominence. Hell, really is nice for our home team to be recognized and lauded. But, it actually is when it is deserved. But, I could care less that OSU is not a national story week in, week out. Plus, that's when the droves of "front runner" fans to come out of the woodwork. But, even the AD doesn't see national prominence as a goal. You do not redo do Reser to 35-36k seats thinking your football program is going to rise into the Top10-15 spotlight regularly. The size Reser almost eliminates the possibility of home and home games with elite P5 teams that ask for huge payouts. And, OSU is approaching the no-man's land of being too good to get invites to some of the regular Top 20 types for fear of getting beat on their home field. I want OSU to kick arse. I want our programs to be funded well enough to assure success. I hope the conference affiliation is more West coast based... selfishly, budget wise, and for the athletes. But, I'm not going to jump to outlandish conclusions about budgets, losing recruits/coaches, etc. It will be what it will be and we'll all know when it is time to know. But, OSU was never going to be nationally relevant on any consistent basis no matter their conference affiliation. I guess in very simplistic terms I like OSU as the "little engine that could". Winning makes you relevant. Had we built up the program during the Ando years, instead of heading to the Pac 12 cellar, we might have different options today......timing is everything. This is very true. Why did it go on for so long when it never should have been that way. Years of apathy got us where we are today. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 29, 2023 6:19:23 GMT -8
Winning makes you relevant. Had we built up the program during the Ando years, instead of heading to the Pac 12 cellar, we might have different options today......timing is everything. This is very true. Why did it go on for so long when it never should have been that way. Years of apathy got us where we are today. We had some good years with Riley, and Erickson, obviously. OSU did not properly vet Ando pants......obviously. The timing of if just killed us.....Ando running our program (into the ground) at the same time Larry Scott is running the conference (also into the ground)......you could make a s%#tty movie about it. |
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 29, 2023 6:52:54 GMT -8
This is very true. Why did it go on for so long when it never should have been that way. Years of apathy got us where we are today. We had some good years with Riley, and Erickson, obviously. OSU did not properly vet Ando pants......obviously. The timing of if just killed us.....Ando running our program (into the ground) at the same time Larry Scott is running the conference (also into the ground)......you could make a s%#tty movie about it. Yes, from Erickson through Riley II we were 116-83 playing in a major conference. Not enough attention was paid to what Andersen was doing with the program. On the surface it looked like he was making progress after two years, which is why he got a big extension. But his assistants were second rate and his own personality and flawed attempts at motivation combined to send the team into a tailspin his third year. The worst parr of it was the national attention we got when he walked out of his contract--made it look like Oregon State was such an impossible job a coach would walk away from millions rather than coach there. Our recovery has been a long process. |
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Post by seastape on Aug 29, 2023 10:45:03 GMT -8
We had some good years with Riley, and Erickson, obviously. OSU did not properly vet Ando pants......obviously. The timing of if just killed us.....Ando running our program (into the ground) at the same time Larry Scott is running the conference (also into the ground)......you could make a s%#tty movie about it. Yes, from Erickson through Riley II we were 116-83 playing in a major conference. Not enough attention was paid to what Andersen was doing with the program. On the surface it looked like he was making progress after two years, which is why he got a big extension. But his assistants were second rate and his own personality and flawed attempts at motivation combined to send the team into a tailspin his third year. The worst parr of it was the national attention we got when he walked out of his contract--made it look like Oregon State was such an impossible job a coach would walk away from millions rather than coach there. Our recovery has been a long process. No, that was the best part of it. I think people in the football community knew that Andercrud was doing a bad job and also knew that other coaches succeeded at OSU. Plus, it allowed Barnes to hire Smith, which has turned out to be excellent. Plus, we saved millions when Anderpanties walked out of his job. |
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 29, 2023 11:13:42 GMT -8
Yes, from Erickson through Riley II we were 116-83 playing in a major conference. Not enough attention was paid to what Andersen was doing with the program. On the surface it looked like he was making progress after two years, which is why he got a big extension. But his assistants were second rate and his own personality and flawed attempts at motivation combined to send the team into a tailspin his third year. The worst parr of it was the national attention we got when he walked out of his contract--made it look like Oregon State was such an impossible job a coach would walk away from millions rather than coach there. Our recovery has been a long process. No, that was the best part of it. I think people in the football community knew that Andercrud was doing a bad job and also knew that other coaches succeeded at OSU. Plus, it allowed Barnes to hire Smith, which has turned out to be excellent. Plus, we saved millions when Anderpanties walked out of his job. People on the West Coast knew this. I'm talking about national perception. Oregon State is not normally national news. What happened with Andersen walking out on a multi million dollar contract is largely unprecedented, and that made it national news for people who knew next to nothing about Oregon State otherwise. Of course it was a good thing for Oregon State that he walked out. He stunk it up and needed to go--and we didn't have to pay him. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 29, 2023 11:55:00 GMT -8
This is very true. Why did it go on for so long when it never should have been that way. Years of apathy got us where we are today. We had some good years with Riley, and Erickson, obviously. OSU did not properly vet Ando pants......obviously. The timing of if just killed us.....Ando running our program (into the ground) at the same time Larry Scott is running the conference (also into the ground)......you could make a s%#tty movie about it. And someone mentioned mens basketbasll in another post awhile back. The crap show in mens basketball is enough to gag a maggot. That does not send a good message in itself. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 29, 2023 14:37:42 GMT -8
We had some good years with Riley, and Erickson, obviously. OSU did not properly vet Ando pants......obviously. The timing of if just killed us.....Ando running our program (into the ground) at the same time Larry Scott is running the conference (also into the ground)......you could make a s%#tty movie about it. Yes, from Erickson through Riley II we were 116-83 playing in a major conference. Not enough attention was paid to what Andersen was doing with the program. On the surface it looked like he was making progress after two years, which is why he got a big extension. But his assistants were second rate and his own personality and flawed attempts at motivation combined to send the team into a tailspin his third year. The worst parr of it was the national attention we got when he walked out of his contract--made it look like Oregon State was such an impossible job a coach would walk away from millions rather than coach there. Our recovery has been a long process. You can go back and read the posts. The analytics showed that Oregon State regressed in 2016 from 2015 on defense and did not progress on offense. As I stated back in 2017, unless GAG was able to recruit five star defensive backs to replace the defensive backs that he inherited that graduated, Oregon State was going to regress in 2017. I was hearing bad things from the parents of some of the players. 2017 was going to be bad. The extension was stupid. Fortunately, GAG let us off the hook. Otherwise, I am not sure that we would even be here. You can read the posts from 2015 and 2016 about just awful talent identification and development and humorously (if it weren't us) awful play-calling. If BDC hadn't forced Langs out in 2014, maybe we are all in a better situation today. Instead, a bunch of idiots got one of the biggest boobs (BDC) to monkey with a consistent winning program at the exact wrong time. (BDC was in so far over his head that I'm not sure that he could even perceive daylight. He took what should have been a great opportunity to build on football and squandered the money on other programs.) GAG was a symptom of a larger problem, that being the inmates being in charge of the asylum, people who didn't know football acting as if they knew better. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 31, 2023 10:54:20 GMT -8
Yes, from Erickson through Riley II we were 116-83 playing in a major conference. Not enough attention was paid to what Andersen was doing with the program. On the surface it looked like he was making progress after two years, which is why he got a big extension. But his assistants were second rate and his own personality and flawed attempts at motivation combined to send the team into a tailspin his third year. The worst parr of it was the national attention we got when he walked out of his contract--made it look like Oregon State was such an impossible job a coach would walk away from millions rather than coach there. Our recovery has been a long process. You can go back and read the posts. The analytics showed that Oregon State regressed in 2016 from 2015 on defense and did not progress on offense. As I stated back in 2017, unless GAG was able to recruit five star defensive backs to replace the defensive backs that he inherited that graduated, Oregon State was going to regress in 2017. I was hearing bad things from the parents of some of the players. 2017 was going to be bad. The extension was stupid. Fortunately, GAG let us off the hook. Otherwise, I am not sure that we would even be here. You can read the posts from 2015 and 2016 about just awful talent identification and development and humorously (if it weren't us) awful play-calling. If BDC hadn't forced Langs out in 2014, maybe we are all in a better situation today. Instead, a bunch of idiots got one of the biggest boobs (BDC) to monkey with a consistent winning program at the exact wrong time. (BDC was in so far over his head that I'm not sure that he could even perceive daylight. He took what should have been a great opportunity to build on football and squandered the money on other programs.) GAG was a symptom of a larger problem, that being the inmates being in charge of the asylum, people who didn't know football acting as if they knew better. You mean Nebbie let us off the hook? I guess if all that series of events led to us getting Smith, then OK.....sometimes you got to go thru hell before you get to heaven. It's just unfortunate that it all went down when it did.......I think the damage GAG did is a big reason why we were left out. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 31, 2023 11:03:02 GMT -8
No, that was the best part of it. I think people in the football community knew that Andercrud was doing a bad job and also knew that other coaches succeeded at OSU. Plus, it allowed Barnes to hire Smith, which has turned out to be excellent. Plus, we saved millions when Anderpanties walked out of his job. People on the West Coast knew this. I'm talking about national perception. Oregon State is not normally national news. What happened with Andersen walking out on a multi million dollar contract is largely unprecedented, and that made it national news for people who knew next to nothing about Oregon State otherwise. Of course it was a good thing for Oregon State that he walked out. He stunk it up and needed to go--and we didn't have to pay him. I've often thought about that. Andersen passing up millions; Andersen being the stand up guy to walk away. Andersen being the guy we needed him to be. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would willingly accept defeat and walk away like that. Most coaches understand adversity and overcoming it. I wonder if OSU held the cards. I wonder if there were allegations or something unsavory and OSU simply said we can press this and fire you for cause or you can slip out the back and we'll let it die. I hope it's something like that because I really don't want to think that GA was a hero. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Aug 31, 2023 11:52:08 GMT -8
Yes, from Erickson through Riley II we were 116-83 playing in a major conference. Not enough attention was paid to what Andersen was doing with the program. On the surface it looked like he was making progress after two years, which is why he got a big extension. But his assistants were second rate and his own personality and flawed attempts at motivation combined to send the team into a tailspin his third year. The worst parr of it was the national attention we got when he walked out of his contract--made it look like Oregon State was such an impossible job a coach would walk away from millions rather than coach there. Our recovery has been a long process. You can go back and read the posts. The analytics showed that Oregon State regressed in 2016 from 2015 on defense and did not progress on offense. As I stated back in 2017, unless GAG was able to recruit five star defensive backs to replace the defensive backs that he inherited that graduated, Oregon State was going to regress in 2017. I was hearing bad things from the parents of some of the players. 2017 was going to be bad. The extension was stupid. Fortunately, GAG let us off the hook. Otherwise, I am not sure that we would even be here. You can read the posts from 2015 and 2016 about just awful talent identification and development and humorously (if it weren't us) awful play-calling. If BDC hadn't forced Langs out in 2014, maybe we are all in a better situation today. Instead, a bunch of idiots got one of the biggest boobs (BDC) to monkey with a consistent winning program at the exact wrong time. (BDC was in so far over his head that I'm not sure that he could even perceive daylight. He took what should have been a great opportunity to build on football and squandered the money on other programs.) GAG was a symptom of a larger problem, that being the inmates being in charge of the asylum, people who didn't know football acting as if they knew better. Shame on them for not basing their actions on message board advice. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 31, 2023 12:15:34 GMT -8
You can go back and read the posts. The analytics showed that Oregon State regressed in 2016 from 2015 on defense and did not progress on offense. As I stated back in 2017, unless GAG was able to recruit five star defensive backs to replace the defensive backs that he inherited that graduated, Oregon State was going to regress in 2017. I was hearing bad things from the parents of some of the players. 2017 was going to be bad. The extension was stupid. Fortunately, GAG let us off the hook. Otherwise, I am not sure that we would even be here. You can read the posts from 2015 and 2016 about just awful talent identification and development and humorously (if it weren't us) awful play-calling. If BDC hadn't forced Langs out in 2014, maybe we are all in a better situation today. Instead, a bunch of idiots got one of the biggest boobs (BDC) to monkey with a consistent winning program at the exact wrong time. (BDC was in so far over his head that I'm not sure that he could even perceive daylight. He took what should have been a great opportunity to build on football and squandered the money on other programs.) GAG was a symptom of a larger problem, that being the inmates being in charge of the asylum, people who didn't know football acting as if they knew better. Shame on them for not basing their actions on message board advice. Shame on them for not basing their actions on demonstrable evidence, which I amplified. |
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Post by Mike84 on Aug 31, 2023 13:08:35 GMT -8
I guess I'm the odd one here, because I don't think anything would be different today if Anderson had been less of a disaster. If we'd made it to a few more bowl games in the intervening years and had worked our way up to the 10 wins in 2022 without the horrible downfall and negative publicity, somehow things wouldn't be so bad for us now? The PAC-12 wouldn't have disintegrated? We wouldn't still be looking at hoping we get invited to a mid-West conference, with all the travel headaches and expenses that entails, or trying to find a way to rebuild the Pac, without it becoming a "lower" conference? If success on the field determined who got picked up by other conferences, why didn't Utah get an invite to the Big-10? Why isn't Colorado still looking for a conference?
Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but I don't think better results under Anderson would have changed much, if anything, about where we are today.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 31, 2023 13:45:08 GMT -8
People on the West Coast knew this. I'm talking about national perception. Oregon State is not normally national news. What happened with Andersen walking out on a multi million dollar contract is largely unprecedented, and that made it national news for people who knew next to nothing about Oregon State otherwise. Of course it was a good thing for Oregon State that he walked out. He stunk it up and needed to go--and we didn't have to pay him. I've often thought about that. Andersen passing up millions; Andersen being the stand up guy to walk away. Andersen being the guy we needed him to be. It just doesn't make sense to me that he would willingly accept defeat and walk away like that. Most coaches understand adversity and overcoming it. I wonder if OSU held the cards. I wonder if there were allegations or something unsavory and OSU simply said we can press this and fire you for cause or you can slip out the back and we'll let it die. I hope it's something like that because I really don't want to think that GA was a hero. It was a LOT of "something like" that... |
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Post by TheGlove on Aug 31, 2023 14:21:52 GMT -8
I guess I'm the odd one here, because I don't think anything would be different today if Anderson had been less of a disaster. If we'd made it to a few more bowl games in the intervening years and had worked our way up to the 10 wins in 2022 without the horrible downfall and negative publicity, somehow things wouldn't be so bad for us now? The PAC-12 wouldn't have disintegrated? We wouldn't still be looking at hoping we get invited to a mid-West conference, with all the travel headaches and expenses that entails, or trying to find a way to rebuild the Pac, without it becoming a "lower" conference? If success on the field determined who got picked up by other conferences, why didn't Utah get an invite to the Big-10? Why isn't Colorado still looking for a conference? Maybe I'm just fatalistic, but I don't think better results under Anderson would have changed much, if anything, about where we are today. Agree Mike. Even w/o the Anderpants Fiasco we'd still be viewed as a small market program. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 31, 2023 15:18:27 GMT -8
OSU is viewed as a small market program because that's what it is.
Small time? That's debatable.
I actually don't see a lot of mockery of OSU's football program based on the GA years except on X (Twitter).
I would say anyone who comes across this kind of argument should just come back with some facts like the OSU football program went to 10 bowl games from 1999 to 2013. They went 9-4 three times (were in contention for the Rose Bowl late in two of those seasons IIRC), 10-4 once and 11-1 once with a Pac-10 co-championship and Fiesta Bowl win.
Riley goes 5-7 in 2014 and they hire GA, who proves to be one of the worst college football head coaches ever.
He leaves and a couple years later Jonathan Smith goes 7-6 and then 10-3. And the Beavers are considered to be Pac-12 title contenders this season.
It's actually kind of amazing how good the football program has been with the exception of the GA era.
Preaching to the choir, I know.
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