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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 11:59:44 GMT -8
This is a stupid post. Home attendance relates to the profile of the opponent's program, not the number of fans. The profile of the opponent's program is a deal on OOC attendance in Reser, once you get to conference games, not so much. uo, UW and maybe USC/Utah have a good draw in Reser, and in any given year they can be pretty good. But, we filled the stadium for Cal and Colorado last year too, and they were pretty crappy. Keep in mind, all these MWC teams some are griping about could become in conference opponents. That does change things. If the rumored Apple deal, the lower paying one, comes into play most of these schools would immediately be tripling or quadrupling their TV money and would be able to invest in their programs. They will be "dragged upwards", and it likely won't be kicking and screaming like it seems it can be with some schools in this conference. In time the rivalry factor will build. In any given year, the Pac 12 generally has 3 or so "high profile" schools, while others, like us unfortunately, "just happen" (in the eyes of many outsiders) to do well from time to time. If we get the best of the best from those G5 conferences, or even absorb a whole conference, I expect little to change other than the BEAVERS may be viewed as one of the "high profile" teams in the conference on a regular basis. Ultimately, the biggest factor in Reser attendance, is likely the Beavers winning more.This is understood as a standard fact for every school everywhere. Losing teams don't put as many butts in the seats, but that isn't what we are talking about. The statement was essentially that we should not expect to sell the stadium out playing teams with smaller fan bases, which is stupid because the size of an opponent's fan base is essentially unimportant for a home sellout. Boise State as an opponent has a much higher demand for tickets than against Arizona State in Reser. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 12:06:32 GMT -8
It won't be because they have smaller fan bases, but they have smaller fan bases because they are smaller programs. We all understand that. If the appeal of the opponent is a core metric in attendance, and I doubt anyone would argue it isn't, do we believe demand for tickets will be going up or down playing in the MWC?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 12:19:37 GMT -8
It won't be because they have smaller fan bases, but they have smaller fan bases because they are smaller programs. We all understand that. If the appeal of the opponent is a core metric in attendance, and I doubt anyone would argue it isn't, do we believe demand for tickets will be going up or down playing in the MWC? I think it won't go down if we're winning. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 12:21:54 GMT -8
It won't be because they have smaller fan bases, but they have smaller fan bases because they are smaller programs. We all understand that. If the appeal of the opponent is a core metric in attendance, and I doubt anyone would argue it isn't, do we believe demand for tickets will be going up or down playing in the MWC? I get the feeling that you think MWC are equivalent with say Sac State/Portland State where people don't show up for what should be a yawner and might end up being a huge black eye. What's your baseline vision of the future? You think that Oregon State is going to face a similar win/loss record in the MWC and that ticket demand will reduce - agreed. I don't feel that is a reasonable scenario to entertain, though. Oregon State's winning percentage will rise playing in the MWC. There will still be 3-4 tough games every season and opponents with a win/loss record that looks to be an important game in the conference will always put butts in seats. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2023 12:41:47 GMT -8
There’s FCS programs that average over 20,000 fans a game. I guess someone should tell them all they’re waisting their time being fans of schools not in the SEC or B1G. What does that have to do with what I asked? You think our attendance is going to go up because SJSU gets 20k to a home game? Good grief. And, you think home attendance is going to go down because we do not play SC? Most of the Pac12 schools do not travel well at all unless they are at the top of the conference. Other than Oregon or UW, you'd know if you attend home games. From all my road trips and attending every home game OSU fans travel far, FAR better than 8-10 of the other Pac12 teams. I'm betting some of the MWC fan bases travel much better (it would not be hard) than most of the Pac12 teams. But, as mentioned the key is OSU winning, which we'd all expect to happen at a 8-10 win level on a regular basis. With 35 k seats and consistent winning OSU will fill Reser. And, students do not give a eff who OSU is playing. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 12:50:23 GMT -8
What does that have to do with what I asked? You think our attendance is going to go up because SJSU gets 20k to a home game? Good grief. And, you think home attendance is going to go down because we do not play SC? Most of the Pac12 schools do not travel well at all unless they are at the top of the conference. Other than Oregon or UW, you'd know if you attend home games. From all my road trips and attending every home game OSU fans travel far, FAR better than 8-10 of the other Pac12 teams. I'm betting some of the MWC fan bases travel much better (it would not be hard) than most of the Pac12 teams. But, as mentioned the key is OSU winning, which we'd all expect to happen at a 8-10 win level on a regular basis. With 35 k seats and consistent winning OSU will fill Reser. And, students do not give a eff who OSU is playing. Attendance will probably go down. Maybe not. Revenue from attendance will almost certainly go down. What is the price of a USC game at Reser vs San Jose St? Are we going to grow season ticket holder rates faster than we would if the Pac had stayed together? This seems like common sense. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 12:58:43 GMT -8
It won't be because they have smaller fan bases, but they have smaller fan bases because they are smaller programs. We all understand that. If the appeal of the opponent is a core metric in attendance, and I doubt anyone would argue it isn't, do we believe demand for tickets will be going up or down playing in the MWC? I get the feeling that you think MWC are equivalent with say Sac State/Portland State where people don't show up for what should be a yawner and might end up being a huge black eye. What's your baseline vision of the future? You think that Oregon State is going to face a similar win/loss record in the MWC and that ticket demand will reduce - agreed. I don't feel that is a reasonable scenario to entertain, though. Oregon State's winning percentage will rise playing in the MWC. There will still be 3-4 tough games every season and opponents with a win/loss record that looks to be an important game in the conference will always put butts in seats. This year for the same section, UC Davis is $35, SDSU $45, UCLA/Stanford/Utah $80, UW $100. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2023 13:04:02 GMT -8
I get the feeling that you think MWC are equivalent with say Sac State/Portland State where people don't show up for what should be a yawner and might end up being a huge black eye. What's your baseline vision of the future? You think that Oregon State is going to face a similar win/loss record in the MWC and that ticket demand will reduce - agreed. I don't feel that is a reasonable scenario to entertain, though. Oregon State's winning percentage will rise playing in the MWC. There will still be 3-4 tough games every season and opponents with a win/loss record that looks to be an important game in the conference will always put butts in seats. This year for the same section, UC Davis is $35, SDSU $45, UCLA/Stanford/Utah $80, UW $100. You realize that conference games are priced higher every year. Partly due to the conference payout to opponents that will be much lower for the MWC/Pac merger. And, when SD St etc become conference games pricing will go up. Now replace SJ St away with a P5 away and you will make over a $1 mil. Replace UC Davis and SD St at Reser with P5 teams you can then charge more for those tickets. Or, every other year play (2) NC games away at mid tier P5 teams for bigger payouts. |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 25, 2023 13:04:48 GMT -8
And, you think home attendance is going to go down because we do not play SC? Most of the Pac12 schools do not travel well at all unless they are at the top of the conference. Other than Oregon or UW, you'd know if you attend home games. From all my road trips and attending every home game OSU fans travel far, FAR better than 8-10 of the other Pac12 teams. I'm betting some of the MWC fan bases travel much better (it would not be hard) than most of the Pac12 teams. But, as mentioned the key is OSU winning, which we'd all expect to happen at a 8-10 win level on a regular basis. With 35 k seats and consistent winning OSU will fill Reser. And, students do not give a eff who OSU is playing. Attendance will probably go down. Maybe not. Revenue from attendance will almost certainly go down. What is the price of a USC game at Reser vs San Jose St? Are we going to grow season ticket holder rates faster than we would if the Pac had stayed together? This seems like common sense. Maybe revenue goes down because pricing will probably have to be looked at. But, it’s also possible that if the prices are lower, and the Beavs continue winning, more families are able to attend. Instead of two tickets a family buys four, or even buys tickets for the first time. I hate change as much as the next guy but sometimes change can come with unexpected positive outcomes. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 13:05:33 GMT -8
This year for the same section, UC Davis is $35, SDSU $45, UCLA/Stanford/Utah $80, UW $100. You realize that conference games are priced higher every year. Partly due to the conference payout to opponents that will be much lower for the MWC/Pac merger. And, when SD St etc become conference games pricing will go up. Now replace SJ St away with a P5 away and you will make over a $1 mil. Replace UC Davis and SD St at Reser with P5 teams you can then charge more for those tickets. Or, every other year play (2) NC games away at mid tier P5 teams for bigger payouts. We can agree to disagree that we'll see commensurate home ticket revenue playing 9 MWC teams a year instead of 9 Pac teams a year. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 13:06:49 GMT -8
Attendance will probably go down. Maybe not. Revenue from attendance will almost certainly go down. What is the price of a USC game at Reser vs San Jose St? Are we going to grow season ticket holder rates faster than we would if the Pac had stayed together? This seems like common sense. Maybe revenue goes down because pricing will probably have to be looked at. But, it’s also possible that if the prices are lower, and the Beavs continue winning, more families are able to attend. Instead of two tickets a family buys four, or even buys tickets for the first time. I hate change as much as the next guy but sometimes change can come with unexpected positive outcomes. I hope so. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 25, 2023 13:11:10 GMT -8
You realize that conference games are priced higher every year. Partly due to the conference payout to opponents that will be much lower for the MWC/Pac merger. And, when SD St etc become conference games pricing will go up. Now replace SJ St away with a P5 away and you will make over a $1 mil. Replace UC Davis and SD St at Reser with P5 teams you can then charge more for those tickets. Or, every other year play (2) NC games away at mid tier P5 teams for bigger payouts. We can agree to disagree that we'll see commensurate home ticket revenue playing 9 MWC teams a year instead of 9 Pac teams a year. We don't have to see commensurate revenue... we need to see a fairly decent level of "net" proceeds. And, there are many ways that can happen. Not trying to convince to gain agreement, but I see being positive as a merger is the best of the realistic outcomes for OSU. And, is not some death knell as some here want other to believe. G5 teams have been highly successful with a lot less resources than what OSU brings to the table. |
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