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Post by ee1990 on Aug 24, 2023 19:57:44 GMT -8
Come on, you might disagree with the phrasing or think it's exaggeration but I'm sure you're capable of understanding the simple, logical, likely to happen points being made. We will_not have as high attendance in the MWC. I don't think that is a crazy statement. That means multiple things, it means less revenue, it means potentially negative effects in recruiting and in our general presence in the CFB world. We become smaller time in the MWC, period. I don't see how there's an argument otherwise. Speaking of recruiting, are we suddenly going to start recruiting better in a smaller conference? It makes zero sense, and would be utterly illogical to think that. We're going to be generating a lot less revenue. That affects everything. Of course people will say we're the good guys and 9er is a wizard and we don't need to recruit and yada yada, but that's just not realistic. The weaker we become, the harder it will be to affect change that gets us back where we want to be. That's why people are "negative". I think that is the core logic with the great concern many of us have about this situation. It is not reasonable to think that going to a much lesser conference for a few years will afford us some grand opportunity the next time expansion happens. This is a borderline, if not outright disaster, and people should be upset, there should be the wringing of hands and gnashing of teeth. This is absolutely awful. The light at the end of the tunnel is the defered money that will help sustain us for 4-5 years, perhaps in that time things will change in a much more positive way than seem realistic today. But the current reality of the situation is dire. I commend people for looking on the bright side and maintaining their passion for OSU athletics, but there's a point where it beomes head in the sand and is detrimental to the progams and university we're trying to support. We need to "keep it real" in order to make decisions that will best promote success. Just a wing and a prayer hopefulness leads to blind spots in areas that could perhaps actually help us. We need to be critical right now. Dude, I'm with ya.....but, yea don't expect to explain yourself on here, and win over the usual suspects. They feast on those of us who are more disappointed with the current state of Beaver athletics.....even questioning our fandom.....I'm learning to just ignore em. I'm basically going through the stages of grief these last few weeks. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 24, 2023 20:23:15 GMT -8
I'm thinking the people who are thinking attendance or interest is going to fall dramatically because we won't be playing our traditional rivals or power schools kind of ignore the fact that we basically filled our stadium (according to the stats anyways, albeit a smaller stadium) and slaughtered Colorado and Cal teams that were arguably worse than most MWC teams last year. A lot of fans seem to enjoy a sacrificial lamb every now and then.
If anything, I suspect in 2024 and 2025 people will show up either out of support for the team or out of curiosity. After season 1/2, especially if we're successful and go to a significant bowls, many will be hooked and the words "new rivalries" might even be on some people's tongues.
If the teams come in under the PAC umbrella, I suspect there will be plenty of people who come to accept the rebuilt conference as not horrible, just different.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 24, 2023 20:31:17 GMT -8
I'm thinking the people who are thinking attendance or interest is going to fall dramatically because we won't be playing our traditional rivals or power schools kind of ignore the fact that we basically filled our stadium (according to the stats anyways, albeit a smaller stadium) and slaughtered Colorado and Cal teams that were arguably worse than most MWC teams last year. A lot of fans seem to enjoy a sacrificial lamb every now and then. If anything, I suspect in 2024 and 2025 people will show up either out of support for the team or out of curiosity. After season 1/2, especially if we're successful and go to a significant bowls, many will be hooked and the words "new rivalries" might even be on some people's tongues. If the teams come in under the PAC umbrella, I suspect there will be plenty of people who come to accept the rebuilt conference as not horrible, just different. If we put a competitive product on the field, people will show up. The elephant in the room is how will our program be affected by losing P5 status? Will Smith get poached? How will the recruiting momentum we currently have respond? I think it's a good possibility that we will be competitive in whatever conference we are in.....but it's not guaranteed. Every Beaver should know success is never guaranteed, and for us, it's always difficult. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 24, 2023 21:03:07 GMT -8
I'm thinking the people who are thinking attendance or interest is going to fall dramatically because we won't be playing our traditional rivals or power schools kind of ignore the fact that we basically filled our stadium (according to the stats anyways, albeit a smaller stadium) and slaughtered Colorado and Cal teams that were arguably worse than most MWC teams last year. A lot of fans seem to enjoy a sacrificial lamb every now and then. If anything, I suspect in 2024 and 2025 people will show up either out of support for the team or out of curiosity. After season 1/2, especially if we're successful and go to a significant bowls, many will be hooked and the words "new rivalries" might even be on some people's tongues. If the teams come in under the PAC umbrella, I suspect there will be plenty of people who come to accept the rebuilt conference as not horrible, just different. Plus... those MWC teams have fans and prob some in Oregon. And, betting many travel far better than most Pac12 teams. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 25, 2023 3:22:36 GMT -8
Mark Helfrich coached his team to a national title game. So that’s bad? Have we gotten there and I missed it? And Larry Coker won one. The end result for Oregon was a disastrous tenure and the destruction of a strong program. Also, you just seem to be flailing at anything that moves at this point instead of actually addressing what I've said. Disaster and destruction? They had one losing season. We had 28 in a row. That’s a disaster. And Larry Coker went 60-15 and never had a losing record at Miami. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 25, 2023 5:51:39 GMT -8
The fan base that is here and loyal will continue to show up. The question is as this fan base ages will you see growth in expanding the fan base? More likely not. And what I mean by that is what will be the draw for someone not aligned with any school in the state initially. Will a Wyoming/Oregon state game draw a new fan into the seats or will a whoregon/Penn State game put them there? Whatever happens it won't be a better situation over all. For the hard core fan it won't matter. Outside of that group it is not as rosey.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 7:06:33 GMT -8
Some people keep bringing up Wyoming in a negative fashion. We should be so lucky to have that kind of a fan base.
Wyoming has a 5 year average attendance of over 21,000. To put that in perspective, roughly 1 out of every 27 residents in the state is in the stands on Saturdays.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 9:16:44 GMT -8
Some people keep bringing up Wyoming in a negative fashion. We should be so lucky to have that kind of a fan base. Wyoming has a 5 year average attendance of over 21,000. To put that in perspective, roughly 1 out of every 27 residents in the state is in the stands on Saturdays. I think it's more that nobody likes the idea of playing a roadie in Laramie. High risk, low reward type situation. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 9:29:10 GMT -8
So now the logic is we'll have better or equivalent attendance playing teams that have fewer fans.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 25, 2023 9:32:39 GMT -8
So now the logic is we'll have better or equivalent attendance playing teams that have fewer fans. This is a stupid post. Home attendance relates to the profile of the opponent's program, not the number of fans. |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 25, 2023 9:41:37 GMT -8
So now the logic is we'll have better or equivalent attendance playing teams that have fewer fans. There’s FCS programs that average over 20,000 fans a game. I guess someone should tell them all they’re waisting their time being fans of schools not in the SEC or B1G. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 25, 2023 9:57:15 GMT -8
So now the logic is we'll have better or equivalent attendance playing teams that have fewer fans. This is a stupid post. Home attendance relates to the profile of the opponent's program, not the number of fans. The profile of the opponent's program is a deal on OOC attendance in Reser, once you get to conference games, not so much. uo, UW and maybe USC/Utah have a good draw in Reser, and in any given year they can be pretty good. But, we filled the stadium for Cal and Colorado last year too, and they were pretty crappy. Keep in mind, all these MWC teams some are griping about could become in conference opponents. That does change things. If the rumored Apple deal, the lower paying one, comes into play most of these schools would immediately be tripling or quadrupling their TV money and would be able to invest in their programs. They will be "dragged upwards", and it likely won't be kicking and screaming like it seems it can be with some schools in this conference. In time the rivalry factor will build. In any given year, the Pac 12 generally has 3 or so "high profile" schools, while others, like us unfortunately, "just happen" (in the eyes of many outsiders) to do well from time to time. If we get the best of the best from those G5 conferences, or even absorb a whole conference, I expect little to change other than the BEAVERS may be viewed as one of the "high profile" teams in the conference on a regular basis. Ultimately, the biggest factor in Reser attendance, is likely the Beavers winning more. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 25, 2023 10:11:18 GMT -8
Now more than ever I am a Beaver fan. f%#*emall I'm rooting for my team only and every one else to lose all their games.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 25, 2023 10:43:18 GMT -8
Some people keep bringing up Wyoming in a negative fashion. We should be so lucky to have that kind of a fan base. Wyoming has a 5 year average attendance of over 21,000. To put that in perspective, roughly 1 out of every 27 residents in the state is in the stands on Saturdays. Wyoming is awesome!.....IF we are in the MW, the prospect (for me) going to Laramie, Boise, Reno, Logan, Colorado Springs, and Fort Collins is attractive......if you're into the outdoors (I am) these are GREAT places to go. That's how I'm going to approach it IF that is our reality. I know I've mentioned before.....I have family in WY, ID, and my wife and I lived in Reno area for 12 years......the road trip part of it would be pretty cool from our perspective. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 25, 2023 11:51:17 GMT -8
So now the logic is we'll have better or equivalent attendance playing teams that have fewer fans. There’s FCS programs that average over 20,000 fans a game. I guess someone should tell them all they’re waisting their time being fans of schools not in the SEC or B1G. What does that have to do with what I asked? You think our attendance is going to go up because SJSU gets 20k to a home game? Good grief. |
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