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Post by sparty on Aug 18, 2023 5:52:16 GMT -8
Stanford will join the ACC for free if needed. What did I say about trusting the other remaining schools. I don't trust CAL and maybe WSU just a little. Everyone is saying one thing in meetings according to Barnes yet running to the phone during the breaks,
.....Stanford University has ungodly sums of money, where they might be willing to take that hit in order to secure their future. But for Oregon State, Washington State and Cal, that’s not likely to be an option.......
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Post by jrbeavo on Aug 18, 2023 6:11:22 GMT -8
Stanford will join the ACC for free if needed. What did I say about trusting the other remaining schools. I don't trust CAL and maybe WSU just a little. Everyone is saying one thing in meetings according to Barnes yet running to the phone during the breaks,
.....Stanford University has ungodly sums of money, where they might be willing to take that hit in order to secure their future. But for Oregon State, Washington State and Cal, that’s not likely to be an option.......
They made the same offer to the Big10 and got denied |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 18, 2023 8:25:30 GMT -8
f%#* Stanford
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 18, 2023 9:05:44 GMT -8
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Post by hottubbeaver on Aug 18, 2023 9:27:59 GMT -8
This comes from the AP and an unnamed source.
About as believable as chocolate spaceships.
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Post by jrbeavo on Aug 18, 2023 9:40:03 GMT -8
This comes from the AP and an unnamed source. About as believable as chocolate spaceships. nah...they are actually doing this. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 18, 2023 9:54:44 GMT -8
I commented that uncle phil won't allow stanford wallow in the pac4 pit. And he is not the only donor willing to buy their way out.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 18, 2023 10:04:11 GMT -8
I commented that uncle phil won't allow stanford wallow in the pac4 pit. And he is not the only donor willing to buy their way out. f%#* uncle Phil |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 18, 2023 10:10:31 GMT -8
I commented that uncle phil won't allow stanford wallow in the pac4 pit. And he is not the only donor willing to buy their way out. Uncle Phil was supposedly quite excited about the Apple deal, yet the dux still left anyways. They (both the dux and Stanford) likely think Phil will get over it. I suspect they're right. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Aug 18, 2023 10:13:48 GMT -8
I commented that uncle phil won't allow stanford wallow in the pac4 pit. And he is not the only donor willing to buy their way out. Uncle Phil was supposedly quite excited about the Apple deal, yet the dux still left anyways. They (both the dux and Stanford) likely think Phil will get over it. I suspect they're right. Uncle Phil can hold 2 thoughts in his head at the same time. Apple deal is intrigueing, Pac 12 is falling apart regardless and I want my favorite schools to prosper post pac 12. |
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 18, 2023 10:58:00 GMT -8
This comes from the AP and an unnamed source. About as believable as chocolate spaceships. nah...they are actually doing this. It certainly weakens the conference, and changes media deals, but it doesn't absolutely destroy the calculus. The Pac12 needs to retain 6 members to survive. That's not 6 original members, that's 6 members. Need to add 3 more schools in order to hang on to the assets that are the Pac12 network, which ARE valuable, and of course the exit fees war chest which is also substantial. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 18, 2023 10:59:14 GMT -8
nah...they are actually doing this. It certainly weakens the conference, and changes media deals, but it doesn't absolutely destroy the calculus. The Pac12 needs to retain 6 members to survive. That's not 6 original members, that's 6 members. Need to add 3 more schools in order to hang on to the assets that are the Pac12 network, which ARE valuable, and of course the exit fees war chest which is also substantial. There are no "exit fees". Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. |
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Post by easyheat on Aug 18, 2023 11:00:14 GMT -8
The reality of PAC-4 expansion hits home when you consider what new partners might be available for your expansion plans.
The only difference between an expanded PAC-4 and some sort of PAC-MWC merger, is the merger would not include Stanford or Cal.
Not having any interest in the MWC, that is likely how Stanford and Cal view the situation.
There are conflicting reports on Stanford's predicament - there is deep concern that the ACC's grant of rights agreement would lock them in for 12 years at a time when further conference realignment and upheaval is a certainty and could be an opportunity for them to improve their situation.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 18, 2023 11:13:22 GMT -8
It certainly weakens the conference, and changes media deals, but it doesn't absolutely destroy the calculus. The Pac12 needs to retain 6 members to survive. That's not 6 original members, that's 6 members. Need to add 3 more schools in order to hang on to the assets that are the Pac12 network, which ARE valuable, and of course the exit fees war chest which is also substantial. There are no "exit fees". Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend. If one actually "reads" this board, you'd think some of the basic info would, like, sink in! It seems like 50% of the posts have to remind people of what already has been detailed. And, to just address Stanford's endowments... academic and athletic. They are quite large, but run with a very strict set of guidelines. The athletic endowment funds have strict usage limits. When Stanford was cutting (11) varsity programs they had a extensive news/questions & answer piece. The athletic endowment is not allowed to be used to fill budget short falls. It exists in perpetuity for specific long-term purposes... mainly scholarships and tuition reductions for the 800+ student athletes. T get exemption for some of these policies would take a vote of Trustees. And, that is seen as a waste of time as the Trustees value the tradition of how these funds are supposed to be used. I have no idea what Stanford is thinking or will do, but the way their endowments are set up they have budget issues just like the rest of D1 schools. Especially fielding (36) varsity sports when the average D1 fields (18)! For example, looking back on their supposed "final evaluation" that will not be changed even with donor $$ (it was) on the (11) sports to be cut: - of the 11 sports being discontinued, six (lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming) are not NCAA-sponsored championship sports; - all 11 sports being discontinued are sponsored by less than 22% of the more than 350 Division I institutions, and nine (men’s and women’s fencing, lightweight rowing, men’s rowing, co-ed and women’s sailing, squash, synchronized swimming, men’s volleyball) are sponsored by less than 9%; - there are only two other Division I field hockey programs and one fencing program on the West Coast, and there are no other lightweight rowing, sailing, squash or synchronized swimming programs on the West Coast; - these sports currently compete without a full complement of scholarships, coaches and resources; The long-term budget analysis was $200 million to keep these sports active for the next 8 years. If Stanford was actually going to take $0 for any length of time, with the increase in travel they would surely have to reinstate such cuts and get a temporary exemption to use of endowment funds. |
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Post by seastape on Aug 18, 2023 11:19:25 GMT -8
My biggest fear is that Stanford and/or Cal dilly dally for so long and reject any proposals to expand the Pac 4 that 2024 comes around and WSU and OSU have nowhere to go.
I'm sure OSU and WSU are considering this and want to hold onto the Pac because of residual NCAA basketball tournament payouts, but there may come a time when they get desperate and leave for another conference and get no payouts in the end.
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