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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 10, 2023 9:10:23 GMT -8
Yea, agreed with this. This is just the initial wave of creating a "big boy" division. The have nots will continue to be squeezed out, and will probly eventually have a separate championship to play for. This is really about an arms race between the "haves" of the college football world. They are driven to keep increasing revenue to stay in the game......climb the bodies to the top, if you will. The resulting casualties will be many......but they do not care. Its just a matter of time before they split into two divisions. I do think when that time comes OSU will be included in the haves, although to be honest, I'm OK competing in the second tier too. I actually think it will be more interesting than the NFL minor leagues I appreciate your honesty.....and I think we will probly be in the have nots competing for the second tier championship....because let's be honest, this is the attitude of a good portion of our fan base ...it is what it is. We've been mostly bad for a long time and we live in a kick ass place with a lot of other things to do......I get the mentality. That said, I'm pretty competitive and I don't see any way to approach it other than striving to be the best.....otherwise what's the point? I also feel like every D1 program should have a shot.....the NIL and now this is the long play to squeeze the likes of us out. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 10, 2023 9:19:39 GMT -8
- Built in streaming of your schools radio announcer
- Live Box Score, stats, play by play (written)
- A stream just for the "All 22" view
- Option to have no announcers and just coaches mics, or player mics, or stadium mics
- Want to talk about revue generating, live betting in the streaming app itself
- Live group streaming so you can be chatting (voice or text) with other fans (think youtube live or twitch)
The options are litterally endless. The above are mostly already in many streaming apps, just wait until apple engineers have had time to brainstorm a bit  Apple also recently announced the launch of their VR headset. It’s possible they have plans to incorporate sports viewing into the headset as well. They could also potentially put cameras in helmets. They'd have to have terrific stabilization and image blending, but if they put multiple cams in one headset you could (especially with a VR headset) in theory put yourself on the field in a players position and see what's going on from that vantage in 3D. That'd probably be over the top, but the technology is pretty much about there. It could be a heck of an NIL source if it were an extra fee and the players got a cut. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 10, 2023 9:22:42 GMT -8
w Bye,bye. I suspect about 25 percent of the fan base feels the same way as you do. Guess what we will just replace you with more loyal fans. Yep. Not sure how not supporting the players that will still chose to come here and that had nothing to do with the whole situation sends a message. The only message it really sends is that some fans are really apathetic about their own team. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 10, 2023 9:47:50 GMT -8
Apple also recently announced the launch of their VR headset. It’s possible they have plans to incorporate sports viewing into the headset as well. They could also potentially put cameras in helmets. They'd have to have terrific stabilization and image blending, but if they put multiple cams in one headset you could (especially with a VR headset) in theory put yourself on the field in a players position and see what's going on from that vantage in 3D. That'd probably be over the top, but the technology is pretty much about there. It could be a heck of an NIL source if it were an extra fee and the players got a cut. Back to the apple deal, if it involves VR headsets you're potentially crossing into the gaming market, which is, amazingly, bigger than the NFL, NBA, MLB NFL, NBA, MLB and NHL combined. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 10, 2023 9:53:11 GMT -8
Its just a matter of time before they split into two divisions. I do think when that time comes OSU will be included in the haves, although to be honest, I'm OK competing in the second tier too. I actually think it will be more interesting than the NFL minor leagues I appreciate your honesty.....and I think we will probly be in the have nots competing for the second tier championship....because let's be honest, this is the attitude of a good portion of our fan base ...it is what it is. We've been mostly bad for a long time and we live in a kick ass place with a lot of other things to do......I get the mentality. That said, I'm pretty competitive and I don't see any way to approach it other than striving to be the best.....otherwise what's the point? I also feel like every D1 program should have a shot.....the NIL and now this is the long play to squeeze the likes of us out. It all sucks. At least OSU was a a P5 member...of which there were 64ish. And despite the bad tears, OSU has also had really good years and a BCS win. We certainly deserve to be in the top 64, over a good 15 to programs in what is now the P4. For that matter, so does Boise Stat3 and SDSU. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 10, 2023 16:43:08 GMT -8
Looks like the sucks aren't even getting a 50% share to start: Recall that the current Pac-12 media deal was paying about 32 million a year. So... The ucks blew up the Pac-12 for a measly extra $5 million guaranteed and NO upside until 2030 at the earliest. By which time they will be a mid tier B1G team and have a boat load of frequent flyer miles... If I was a uof ho fan I would be PISSED about that! Forget this being a terrible decision for the Beavs and Cougs, this was a bad decision for the DUCKS! You're way off. The proposed Apple deal was like 23 million plus incentives. Starting at 30 and going up 1 million a year, that's a 57 million dollar difference in 6 years. 6 years is going to happen. And in year 7 that number goes to 87 million, or whatever. They're also going to get a massive amount from their share of the cable subscription revenue that is surely going to go up for the B1G network and isn't included in the base value. Someone, president? at UO said they expected revenue of $50,000,000 a year even with the half share. I agree that USC absolutely schooled UW and UO and it's embarrassing for them to take half pay, but they could still potentially be making double what they would have made remaining in the Pac. The base payout is something like $60,000,000 a year but you see teams talking about estimations closer to 80 or even higher because of the subscription/streaming bonuses. Meanwhile we can't get our network on all the carriers. An article I read said the additional incentives could be on the order of 3 million a month if they hit big numbers. This isn't a $5,000,000 a year difference, it's probably conservatively triple that amount, with the half share. We're talking about potential yearly incentives that match or exceed the *base* value of the proposed Apple deal. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 10, 2023 20:11:38 GMT -8
Looks like the sucks aren't even getting a 50% share to start: Recall that the current Pac-12 media deal was paying about 32 million a year. So... The ucks blew up the Pac-12 for a measly extra $5 million guaranteed and NO upside until 2030 at the earliest. By which time they will be a mid tier B1G team and have a boat load of frequent flyer miles... If I was a uof ho fan I would be PISSED about that! Forget this being a terrible decision for the Beavs and Cougs, this was a bad decision for the DUCKS! You're way off. The proposed Apple deal was like 23 million plus incentives. Starting at 30 and going up 1 million a year, that's a 57 million dollar difference in 6 years. 6 years is going to happen. And in year 7 that number goes to 87 million, or whatever. They're also going to get a massive amount from their share of the cable subscription revenue that is surely going to go up for the B1G network and isn't included in the base value. Someone, president? at UO said they expected revenue of $50,000,000 a year even with the half share. I agree that USC absolutely schooled UW and UO and it's embarrassing for them to take half pay, but they could still potentially be making double what they would have made remaining in the Pac. The base payout is something like $60,000,000 a year but you see teams talking about estimations closer to 80 or even higher because of the subscription/streaming bonuses. Meanwhile we can't get our network on all the carriers. An article I read said the additional incentives could be on the order of 3 million a month if they hit big numbers. This isn't a $5,000,000 a year difference, it's probably conservatively triple that amount, with the half share. We're talking about potential yearly incentives that match or exceed the *base* value of the proposed Apple deal. Also the $31 million figure from the PAC 12 media deal is incorrect. The distribution from just the current media deal is closer to $21 million. The total distribution from the conference including everything is in the low $30 million range. That includes more than just the media deal. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 10, 2023 21:17:28 GMT -8
Looks like the sucks aren't even getting a 50% share to start: Recall that the current Pac-12 media deal was paying about 32 million a year. So... The ucks blew up the Pac-12 for a measly extra $5 million guaranteed and NO upside until 2030 at the earliest. By which time they will be a mid tier B1G team and have a boat load of frequent flyer miles... If I was a uof ho fan I would be PISSED about that! Forget this being a terrible decision for the Beavs and Cougs, this was a bad decision for the DUCKS! You're way off. The proposed Apple deal was like 23 million plus incentives. Starting at 30 and going up 1 million a year, that's a 57 million dollar difference in 6 years. 6 years is going to happen. And in year 7 that number goes to 87 million, or whatever. They're also going to get a massive amount from their share of the cable subscription revenue that is surely going to go up for the B1G network and isn't included in the base value. Someone, president? at UO said they expected revenue of $50,000,000 a year even with the half share. I agree that USC absolutely schooled UW and UO and it's embarrassing for them to take half pay, but they could still potentially be making double what they would have made remaining in the Pac. The base payout is something like $60,000,000 a year but you see teams talking about estimations closer to 80 or even higher because of the subscription/streaming bonuses. Meanwhile we can't get our network on all the carriers. An article I read said the additional incentives could be on the order of 3 million a month if they hit big numbers. This isn't a $5,000,000 a year difference, it's probably conservatively triple that amount, with the half share. We're talking about potential yearly incentives that match or exceed the *base* value of the proposed Apple deal. I for one, don’t believe that deal is sustainable for the owners. ESPN already had to shuck 90% of its top talent to pay for what the currently have. Fox? Never mind. I actually think this deal collapses down the road. Just my thought. If I’m right I’ll be laughing my ass off! |
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Post by seastape on Aug 10, 2023 22:04:21 GMT -8
1. The MWC is a joke. Its income and funding for sports is a joke. So, unless some miracle happens (like OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC) the net result will be OSU will be even a bigger joke than it already has been for decades in most of its collegate sports. 2. Oregon stabbed OSU in the back. Whatever happened to the proposal to link Oregon and Oregon State so they couldn't split from each other and go different directions? 3. Unless OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC, i will no longer follow any OSU athletics after this season. So you're mad at OSU for something they have pretty close to no control over and you're going to take it out on the Beavs by withdrawing your support if they wind up in a lesser conference. That's some ice-cold, straight-ahead logic right there. It cuts right to the heart of the problem and offers a solution: not enough viewership to attract a power conference and so quit watching in some kind of protest or fit or whatever. Genius. Take your ball and go home. Goodbye and good riddance. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 10, 2023 23:23:26 GMT -8
You're way off. The proposed Apple deal was like 23 million plus incentives. Starting at 30 and going up 1 million a year, that's a 57 million dollar difference in 6 years. 6 years is going to happen. And in year 7 that number goes to 87 million, or whatever. They're also going to get a massive amount from their share of the cable subscription revenue that is surely going to go up for the B1G network and isn't included in the base value. Someone, president? at UO said they expected revenue of $50,000,000 a year even with the half share. I agree that USC absolutely schooled UW and UO and it's embarrassing for them to take half pay, but they could still potentially be making double what they would have made remaining in the Pac. The base payout is something like $60,000,000 a year but you see teams talking about estimations closer to 80 or even higher because of the subscription/streaming bonuses. Meanwhile we can't get our network on all the carriers. An article I read said the additional incentives could be on the order of 3 million a month if they hit big numbers. This isn't a $5,000,000 a year difference, it's probably conservatively triple that amount, with the half share. We're talking about potential yearly incentives that match or exceed the *base* value of the proposed Apple deal. Also the $31 million figure from the PAC 12 media deal is incorrect. The distribution from just the current media deal is closer to $21 million. The total distribution from the conference including everything is in the low $30 million range. That includes more than just the media deal. The actual total distribution per school was $37 mil off $581 mil total revenue in '21-22. Of that the combined media deal was indeed $250 million per ($3 billion over 12 years). pac-12.com/article/2023/05/19/pac-12-announces-record-2021-22-financial-results |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 11, 2023 5:29:15 GMT -8
Also the $31 million figure from the PAC 12 media deal is incorrect. The distribution from just the current media deal is closer to $21 million. The total distribution from the conference including everything is in the low $30 million range. That includes more than just the media deal. The actual total distribution per school was $37 mil off $581 mil total revenue in '21-22. Of that the combined media deal was indeed $250 million per ($3 billion over 12 years). pac-12.com/article/2023/05/19/pac-12-announces-record-2021-22-financial-resultsThat is why I’m saying that even if we are in a new conference and get say only $10-12 million from a media deal, it’s possible that our funding gap is much smaller from our current position than people think. Especially if we get additional funding from the new Reser. This my not be the total catastrophe that some are making it out to be. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 11, 2023 6:21:58 GMT -8
You're way off. The proposed Apple deal was like 23 million plus incentives. Starting at 30 and going up 1 million a year, that's a 57 million dollar difference in 6 years. 6 years is going to happen. And in year 7 that number goes to 87 million, or whatever. They're also going to get a massive amount from their share of the cable subscription revenue that is surely going to go up for the B1G network and isn't included in the base value. Someone, president? at UO said they expected revenue of $50,000,000 a year even with the half share. I agree that USC absolutely schooled UW and UO and it's embarrassing for them to take half pay, but they could still potentially be making double what they would have made remaining in the Pac. The base payout is something like $60,000,000 a year but you see teams talking about estimations closer to 80 or even higher because of the subscription/streaming bonuses. Meanwhile we can't get our network on all the carriers. An article I read said the additional incentives could be on the order of 3 million a month if they hit big numbers. This isn't a $5,000,000 a year difference, it's probably conservatively triple that amount, with the half share. We're talking about potential yearly incentives that match or exceed the *base* value of the proposed Apple deal. I for one, don’t believe that deal is sustainable for the owners. ESPN already had to shuck 90% of its top talent to pay for what the currently have. Fox? Never mind. I actually think this deal collapses down the road. Just my thought. If I’m right I’ll be laughing my ass off! This is why I think it is in the best interest of the 4 Survivors to keep the Pac alive. There are too many ways this new alignment can fall apart. However, I certainly expect the conferences to start getting rid of their weaker members soon. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 11, 2023 8:37:22 GMT -8
I for one, don’t believe that deal is sustainable for the owners. ESPN already had to shuck 90% of its top talent to pay for what the currently have. Fox? Never mind. I actually think this deal collapses down the road. Just my thought. If I’m right I’ll be laughing my ass off! This is why I think it is in the best interest of the 4 Survivors to keep the Pac alive. There are too many ways this new alignment can fall apart. However, I certainly expect the conferences to start getting rid of their weaker members soon. Hopefully by now Stanford and Cal may have an inkling, that maybe just maybe (especially if the other leagues aren't clamoring to get them) setting expectations too high is what collapsed the conference. If the 4 stick together, and there's apparently potentially up to roughly 400 million reasons to do so, they could potentially almost readily form a 16/18 team conference that's still a Power 5 league. Their 100 million buck share each, on top of a lower but not as bad as it seems TV deal, might be worth giving it a shot for 5-6 years. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 11, 2023 8:49:08 GMT -8
This is why I think it is in the best interest of the 4 Survivors to keep the Pac alive. There are too many ways this new alignment can fall apart. However, I certainly expect the conferences to start getting rid of their weaker members soon. Hopefully by now Stanford and Cal may have an inkling, that maybe just maybe (especially if the other leagues aren't clamoring to get them) setting expectations too high is what collapsed the conference. If the 4 stick together, and there's apparently potentially up to roughly 400 million reasons to do so, they could potentially almost readily form a 16/18 team conference that's still a Power 5 league. Their 100 million buck share each, on top of a lower but not as bad as it seems TV deal, might be worth giving it a shot for 5-6 years. It's not going to be $100 million each. There are many articles stating that. |
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 11, 2023 9:26:28 GMT -8
This is why I think it is in the best interest of the 4 Survivors to keep the Pac alive. There are too many ways this new alignment can fall apart. However, I certainly expect the conferences to start getting rid of their weaker members soon. Hopefully by now Stanford and Cal may have an inkling, that maybe just maybe (especially if the other leagues aren't clamoring to get them) setting expectations too high is what collapsed the conference. If the 4 stick together, and there's apparently potentially up to roughly 400 million reasons to do so, they could potentially almost readily form a 16/18 team conference that's still a Power 5 league. Their 100 million buck share each, on top of a lower but not as bad as it seems TV deal, might be worth giving it a shot for 5-6 years. You'd think/hope the Pac4 could add at least (2) teams quickly (or merge with the MWC) to keep the conference in tact for a temp media deal. While talking Apple into getting their foot into college football for a tiny initial investment (for them) of $120-150 mil per year for a 5 year escalating deal. The deal could stipulate the $ paid for each additional member added up to a set limit. The Pac6+ would allow the conference to survive, get residual disbursements flowing, have a media deal that closely matches the current one that expires. Lots of moving parts,, but adding a school like SMU seems to be a no brainer. If they are willing to take an ACC invite with no conference $ for 5-7 years, I'm betting being a original member in a rebuilding conference with a cutting edge media deal having a short term would be ideal for them. It's not a great overall fit, but they are part of a large media market that would be attractive to Apple and if you could add another travel partner in Texas for team #6 (Rice as a top 20 academic school might appeal to Furd/Cal?) it'd be a good preliminary start to save the conference. Cal and Furd would have $ from media and future disbursements and a short window to explore how this is working for them. It might not work, but it is a secure lifeline (depending on Apple's thoughts/$) thru 2030 "ish" when the landscape my be changing again?? |
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