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Post by beaver94 on Aug 9, 2023 18:39:41 GMT -8
I have had Apple TV+ for a couple years now, and outside of all the concerns about subscribers and accessibility to PAC (or whatever conference), one thing I can say is that Apple does a quality job with their products. Its subscriber base, like you said, is growing. Question is whether a new PAC/MWC would get payouts close to what they were offering before “the implosion”, if they would even be interested now. I have to say I remain skeptical of the Apple deal. For the headline games, yes. Oregon State vs 0,—-I think it would have worked. But who wants to watch Cal play Miami, Ohio, for example? You would have to believe that the bigger media would have been all over this. And I have not heard one school say they were “all in”. Go Beavs. With streaming it’s probably as much, or more, about subscription numbers than actual viewers. I would assume apple would probably run ads during the game for additional revenue so viewers are still important, but there’s a reason the amount of the deal would go up based on subscribers. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 9, 2023 18:47:57 GMT -8
I have had Apple TV+ for a couple years now, and outside of all the concerns about subscribers and accessibility to PAC (or whatever conference), one thing I can say is that Apple does a quality job with their products. Its subscriber base, like you said, is growing. Question is whether a new PAC/MWC would get payouts close to what they were offering before “the implosion”, if they would even be interested now. I have to say I remain skeptical of the Apple deal. For the headline games, yes. Oregon State vs 0,—-I think it would have worked. But who wants to watch Cal play Miami, Ohio, for example? You would have to believe that the bigger media would have been all over this. And I have not heard one school say they were “all in”. Go Beavs. Any of the 8 million Bay Area residents who might be Cal fans? Or of the hundreds of thousands of Cal alums throughout the world? You wouldn't buy the package on a per-game basis. You would buy it for the season. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 9, 2023 22:25:33 GMT -8
I have to say I remain skeptical of the Apple deal. For the headline games, yes. Oregon State vs 0,—-I think it would have worked. But who wants to watch Cal play Miami, Ohio, for example? You would have to believe that the bigger media would have been all over this. And I have not heard one school say they were “all in”. Go Beavs. Any of the 8 million Bay Area residents who might be Cal fans? Or of the hundreds of thousands of Cal alums throughout the world? You wouldn't buy the package on a per-game basis. You would buy it for the season. I think some people still aren't grasping the potential of streaming. Aside from being able to watch every game in the conference any time they want, there's so many things a traditional TV watcher might not think about that Apple could potentially offer. One of the ADs said "Star Wars Stuff", and others have said you can "manipulate it" without explaining. Manipulating could very well go beyond fast forward, reverse, slow-mo, etc. There's a lot of possibilities you just can't do with a regular TV broadcast. Potentially they could allow access to the feed to every camera for example. Potentially, a football geek could in theory literally be their their own "replay official" in their own living room, able to watch any play from multiple angles and such (if Apple enables that feature) Not that I'd be messing around with features all that much, but if Apple ever gets it going, even if it doesn't include OSU, I'm probably subscribing for a month just to see what they are offering that's different from what a normal broadcast offers. I'd be disappointed if "Star Wars Stuff" and "manipulate" just meant able to pause it for a beer or potty break. |
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Post by newduke2 on Aug 9, 2023 22:49:57 GMT -8
1. The MWC is a joke. Its income and funding for sports is a joke. So, unless some miracle happens (like OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC) the net result will be OSU will be even a bigger joke than it already has been for decades in most of its collegate sports.
2. Oregon stabbed OSU in the back. Whatever happened to the proposal to link Oregon and Oregon State so they couldn't split from each other and go different directions?
3. Unless OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC, i will no longer follow any OSU athletics after this season.
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 9, 2023 23:54:09 GMT -8
1. The MWC is a joke. Its income and funding for sports is a joke. So, unless some miracle happens (like OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC) the net result will be OSU will be even a bigger joke than it already has been for decades in most of its collegate sports. 2. Oregon stabbed OSU in the back. Whatever happened to the proposal to link Oregon and Oregon State so they couldn't split from each other and go different directions? 3. Unless OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC, i will no longer follow any OSU athletics after this season. 1. 🤣 2. A bit behind the times 🤔 3. 👋 |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 10, 2023 6:27:42 GMT -8
1. The MWC is a joke. Its income and funding for sports is a joke. So, unless some miracle happens (like OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC) the net result will be OSU will be even a bigger joke than it already has been for decades in most of its collegate sports. 2. Oregon stabbed OSU in the back. Whatever happened to the proposal to link Oregon and Oregon State so they couldn't split from each other and go different directions? 3. Unless OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC, i will no longer follow any OSU athletics after this season. Don't let the door hit you on the way out then. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 10, 2023 6:36:29 GMT -8
If what is left of the pac has to merge or expand with mid major schools, does it remain a p5 conference? Who decides if it is a p5 conference? I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. The Pac 12 still has a seat at the table at what they call the "Autonomy 5"...which are the P5 conferences. It's important because they kind of dictate all the rules (i.e. the selection process for the 12 team tourney). It is widely believed the other 4 will now vote out the Pac 12. Don't be surprised if ther 12 team tourney is expanded to 16 much sooner than anticipated. In fact it potentially could start at 16. And I assume they will rework it to make it more exclusive to primarily P4 schools. This is all about greed, and the tournament will be a billion dollar boondoggle to pass around to primarily 4 conferences. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 10, 2023 7:18:07 GMT -8
I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. The Pac 12 still has a seat at the table at what they call the "Autonomy 5"...which are the P5 conferences. It's important because they kind of dictate all the rules (i.e. the selection process for the 12 team tourney). It is widely believed the other 4 will now vote out the Pac 12. Don't be surprised if ther 12 team tourney is expanded to 16 much sooner than anticipated. In fact it potentially could start at 16. And I assume they will rework it to make it more exclusive to primarily P4 schools. This is all about greed, and the tournament will be a billion dollar boondoggle to pass around to primarily 4 conferences. Yea, agreed with this. This is just the initial wave of creating a "big boy" division. The have nots will continue to be squeezed out, and will probly eventually have a separate championship to play for. This is really about an arms race between the "haves" of the college football world. They are driven to keep increasing revenue to stay in the game......climb the bodies to the top, if you will. The resulting casualties will be many......but they do not care. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 10, 2023 7:29:15 GMT -8
Seriously? Oregon and Washington's half cut in the B1G is like a third more than the Apple TV full deal and that doesn't include the intangibles of an expanded national media and recruiting presence. USC and UCLA are going to make something like thirty_million more starting just next year than they would have staying in the Pac, assuming a larger TV deal with those LA programs staying. Fans care about winning. Bursars care about the bottom line. USC's deal may be more than the very top upside of the apple deal (rumored to be $50 million per year per team), but we have no idea what type of "discount" Oregon and Washington had to give to get into the B1G... is 90% of what everyone else is getting? 75% 50%?? B1G is 7 Billion over 7 years, with 16 teams that is 62.5 million per year... Does adding two more teams mean Fox is paying more than a billion a year now? if Oregon is getting a 50% share, that would put them back at what they were getting in the last Pac-12 contract, about 31 million per year. The Base garuntee from apple (remeber this is before selling off some linear games and assuming the Pac didn't reach any of the subscribers based bonuses) was 25 million a year per team before the ucks walked away.. Did they walk away for an extra 6 million per year guarenteed? or an extra 30? Why were they so worried that the Pac couldn't reach the subscribers numbers? How much extra money is worth blowing up the Pac-12, further stressing the lives of athletes and coaches, AND having a MUCH harder path to the college football playoffs? 6 million a year is all it takes? That is pocket change for Uncy Phil. 15 million? 30 million? I still think they will rue the day they made this decision. Usc and Ucla too. Screw em all I hope they choke on their extra money and lose every game forever  Go Beavs! The very top “mentioned “ upside to the Apple deal. I’m pretty sure the 31.5 mil and 50 mil figures were examples. I read somewhere Apple had figured on higher subscriptions, and thereby payouts, but several ADs thought 3-5 million was a more realistic number. |
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Post by obf on Aug 10, 2023 8:24:58 GMT -8
Any of the 8 million Bay Area residents who might be Cal fans? Or of the hundreds of thousands of Cal alums throughout the world? You wouldn't buy the package on a per-game basis. You would buy it for the season. I think some people still aren't grasping the potential of streaming. Aside from being able to watch every game in the conference any time they want, there's so many things a traditional TV watcher might not think about that Apple could potentially offer. One of the ADs said "Star Wars Stuff", and others have said you can "manipulate it" without explaining. Manipulating could very well go beyond fast forward, reverse, slow-mo, etc. There's a lot of possibilities you just can't do with a regular TV broadcast. Potentially they could allow access to the feed to every camera for example. Potentially, a football geek could in theory literally be their their own "replay official" in their own living room, able to watch any play from multiple angles and such (if Apple enables that feature) Not that I'd be messing around with features all that much, but if Apple ever gets it going, even if it doesn't include OSU, I'm probably subscribing for a month just to see what they are offering that's different from what a normal broadcast offers. I'd be disappointed if "Star Wars Stuff" and "manipulate" just meant able to pause it for a beer or potty break. - Built in streaming of your schools radio announcer
- Live Box Score, stats, play by play (written)
- A stream just for the "All 22" view
- Option to have no announcers and just coaches mics, or player mics, or stadium mics
- Want to talk about revue generating, live betting in the streaming app itself
- Live group streaming so you can be chatting (voice or text) with other fans (think youtube live or twitch)
The options are litterally endless. The above are mostly already in many streaming apps, just wait until apple engineers have had time to brainstorm a bit |
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Post by donkeyotee on Aug 10, 2023 8:33:53 GMT -8
In the end I am afraid if there is any opportunity for a decent media deal, it’s going to mean someone (Apple, FOX, ESPN, whoever) will have a major say in what grouping of schools is going to comprise the whatever new or combined conference.
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 10, 2023 8:49:47 GMT -8
I think some people still aren't grasping the potential of streaming. Aside from being able to watch every game in the conference any time they want, there's so many things a traditional TV watcher might not think about that Apple could potentially offer. One of the ADs said "Star Wars Stuff", and others have said you can "manipulate it" without explaining. Manipulating could very well go beyond fast forward, reverse, slow-mo, etc. There's a lot of possibilities you just can't do with a regular TV broadcast. Potentially they could allow access to the feed to every camera for example. Potentially, a football geek could in theory literally be their their own "replay official" in their own living room, able to watch any play from multiple angles and such (if Apple enables that feature) Not that I'd be messing around with features all that much, but if Apple ever gets it going, even if it doesn't include OSU, I'm probably subscribing for a month just to see what they are offering that's different from what a normal broadcast offers. I'd be disappointed if "Star Wars Stuff" and "manipulate" just meant able to pause it for a beer or potty break. - Built in streaming of your schools radio announcer
- Live Box Score, stats, play by play (written)
- A stream just for the "All 22" view
- Option to have no announcers and just coaches mics, or player mics, or stadium mics
- Want to talk about revue generating, live betting in the streaming app itself
- Live group streaming so you can be chatting (voice or text) with other fans (think youtube live or twitch)
The options are litterally endless. The above are mostly already in many streaming apps, just wait until apple engineers have had time to brainstorm a bit Apple also recently announced the launch of their VR headset. It’s possible they have plans to incorporate sports viewing into the headset as well. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 10, 2023 9:00:08 GMT -8
The Pac 12 still has a seat at the table at what they call the "Autonomy 5"...which are the P5 conferences. It's important because they kind of dictate all the rules (i.e. the selection process for the 12 team tourney). It is widely believed the other 4 will now vote out the Pac 12. Don't be surprised if ther 12 team tourney is expanded to 16 much sooner than anticipated. In fact it potentially could start at 16. And I assume they will rework it to make it more exclusive to primarily P4 schools. This is all about greed, and the tournament will be a billion dollar boondoggle to pass around to primarily 4 conferences. Yea, agreed with this. This is just the initial wave of creating a "big boy" division. The have nots will continue to be squeezed out, and will probly eventually have a separate championship to play for. This is really about an arms race between the "haves" of the college football world. They are driven to keep increasing revenue to stay in the game......climb the bodies to the top, if you will. The resulting casualties will be many......but they do not care. Its just a matter of time before they split into two divisions. I do think when that time comes OSU will be included in the haves, although to be honest, I'm OK competing in the second tier too. I actually think it will be more interesting than the NFL minor leagues |
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Post by sparty on Aug 10, 2023 9:00:17 GMT -8
1. The MWC is a joke. Its income and funding for sports is a joke. So, unless some miracle happens (like OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC) the net result will be OSU will be even a bigger joke than it already has been for decades in most of its collegate sports. 2. Oregon stabbed OSU in the back. Whatever happened to the proposal to link Oregon and Oregon State so they couldn't split from each other and go different directions? 3. Unless OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC, i will no longer follow any OSU athletics after this season. w Bye,bye. I suspect about 25 percent of the fan base feels the same way as you do. Guess what we will just replace you with more loyal fans. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 10, 2023 9:06:35 GMT -8
1. The MWC is a joke. Its income and funding for sports is a joke. So, unless some miracle happens (like OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC) the net result will be OSU will be even a bigger joke than it already has been for decades in most of its collegate sports. 2. Oregon stabbed OSU in the back. Whatever happened to the proposal to link Oregon and Oregon State so they couldn't split from each other and go different directions? 3. Unless OSU joins the Big 12 or ACC, i will no longer follow any OSU athletics after this season. w Bye,bye. I suspect about 25 percent of the fan base feels the same way as you do. Guess what we will just replace you with more loyal fans. Yep. Not sure how not supporting the players that will still chose to come here and that had nothing to do with the whole situation sends a message. |
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