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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 8, 2023 11:33:22 GMT -8
If what is left of the pac has to merge or expand with mid major schools, does it remain a p5 conference? Who decides if it is a p5 conference?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 8, 2023 11:40:25 GMT -8
No.
The new paradigm will be SEC and B1G. Everyone else is a side note but SEC and B12 are better side notes.
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Post by obf on Aug 8, 2023 12:28:21 GMT -8
If what is left of the pac has to merge or expand with mid major schools, does it remain a p5 conference? Who decides if it is a p5 conference? I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. |
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Post by cake on Aug 8, 2023 12:50:18 GMT -8
If what is left of the pac has to merge or expand with mid major schools, does it remain a p5 conference? Who decides if it is a p5 conference? I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. They want more attention. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 8, 2023 20:54:03 GMT -8
All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. Seriously? Oregon and Washington's half cut in the B1G is like a third more than the Apple TV full deal and that doesn't include the intangibles of an expanded national media and recruiting presence. USC and UCLA are going to make something like thirty_million more starting just next year than they would have staying in the Pac, assuming a larger TV deal with those LA programs staying. Fans care about winning. Bursars care about the bottom line. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 9, 2023 4:54:59 GMT -8
All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. Seriously? Oregon and Washington's half cut in the B1G is like a third more than the Apple TV full deal and that doesn't include the intangibles of an expanded national media and recruiting presence. USC and UCLA are going to make something like thirty_million more starting just next year than they would have staying in the Pac, assuming a larger TV deal with those LA programs staying. Fans care about winning. Bursars care about the bottom line. Apple+ is expected to reach 36 million subscribers by the end of the year. Dish has dropped to 7.1, which is a million fewer than last year. I know the comparison is invalid, but the point is that streaming is growing and broadcast is faltering. They may seem like “intangibles” to you, but not to those in the business. Also, the “full” Apple deal would have had payouts more in line with the SEC. There was a good amount of money to be made. |
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Post by sparty on Aug 9, 2023 5:47:28 GMT -8
If what is left of the pac has to merge or expand with mid major schools, does it remain a p5 conference? Who decides if it is a p5 conference? I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. SEC is pushing for just the top 12 teams in ranking getting playoff seeds. They want to do away with conference winners getting an automatic invite. SEC wants more of their own conference teams in the playoffs. Go figure. |
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Post by irimi on Aug 9, 2023 6:53:07 GMT -8
I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. SEC is pushing for just the top 12 teams in ranking getting playoff seeds. They want to do away with conference winners getting an automatic invite. SEC wants more of their own conference teams in the playoffs. Go figure. Gonna be like baseball. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 9, 2023 7:07:31 GMT -8
If what is left of the pac has to merge or expand with mid major schools, does it remain a p5 conference? Who decides if it is a p5 conference? I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. At some point.....maybe several years from now, there will probly be a separate championship all together. So for now, we can see a path to the playoff.....depending on where we land I guess. But, as time goes on, the gap between the haves (SEC elite, B1G elite) and have nots (OSU, Wazzu, etc.) will continue to widen to the point where the have nots won't really be able to compete......I think thats the big picture of all this re-alignment. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 9, 2023 7:12:52 GMT -8
SEC is pushing for just the top 12 teams in ranking getting playoff seeds. They want to do away with conference winners getting an automatic invite. SEC wants more of their own conference teams in the playoffs. Go figure. Gonna be like baseball. Except baseball is a sport where pure athleticism doesn't always win. It's a more cerebral sport. Development is huge.......in football if you recruit an NFL caliber D line and O line (think SEC elite) and play a team that cant recruit those players at a high level ( think MW or even lower tier P5) it's a beat down. Hell, even when Whoregon went to the chipper, both times they were overwhelmed physically. |
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Post by donkeyotee on Aug 9, 2023 7:20:48 GMT -8
I don't think Power 5 and Group of 5, mean all that much anymore with the 12 team playoff. From this article: I take " top four conference champions" to mean the four conference champions with the highest ranking... So if for some reason Utah State wins the Mountain West and is ranked #1 in the nation (say every other team has 2 losses and Utah State has 0, it is a hypothetical, just go with it) then they get the #1 seed, even though the Mountain west isn't a "Power 5" conference. In reality those top 4 seeds will likely be the conference champs from a "Power 5" conference... but the top 6 Conference champs are guaranteed a spot... So regardless of what conference we end up in, and if it is P5, G5 or Z5... Win you conference championship and be ranked fairly high and you are in.... All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. SEC is pushing for just the top 12 teams in ranking getting playoff seeds. They want to do away with conference winners getting an automatic invite. SEC wants more of their own conference teams in the playoffs. Go figure. I have had Apple TV+ for a couple years now, and outside of all the concerns about subscribers and accessibility to PAC (or whatever conference), one thing I can say is that Apple does a quality job with their products. Its subscriber base, like you said, is growing. Question is whether a new PAC/MWC would get payouts close to what they were offering before “the implosion”, if they would even be interested now. |
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Post by obf on Aug 9, 2023 8:32:43 GMT -8
All of which makes it even more confusing why whoregon and the SUCs wouldn't want to stay in an easier Pac-12/10, regardless of a dozen extra million smackaroons. Those two in particular. Phil and all the suc boosters makes the money somewhat less direly important to those two schools. Seriously? Oregon and Washington's half cut in the B1G is like a third more than the Apple TV full deal and that doesn't include the intangibles of an expanded national media and recruiting presence. USC and UCLA are going to make something like thirty_million more starting just next year than they would have staying in the Pac, assuming a larger TV deal with those LA programs staying. Fans care about winning. Bursars care about the bottom line. USC's deal may be more than the very top upside of the apple deal (rumored to be $50 million per year per team), but we have no idea what type of "discount" Oregon and Washington had to give to get into the B1G... is 90% of what everyone else is getting? 75% 50%?? B1G is 7 Billion over 7 years, with 16 teams that is 62.5 million per year... Does adding two more teams mean Fox is paying more than a billion a year now? if Oregon is getting a 50% share, that would put them back at what they were getting in the last Pac-12 contract, about 31 million per year. The Base garuntee from apple (remeber this is before selling off some linear games and assuming the Pac didn't reach any of the subscribers based bonuses) was 25 million a year per team before the ucks walked away.. Did they walk away for an extra 6 million per year guarenteed? or an extra 30? Why were they so worried that the Pac couldn't reach the subscribers numbers? How much extra money is worth blowing up the Pac-12, further stressing the lives of athletes and coaches, AND having a MUCH harder path to the college football playoffs? 6 million a year is all it takes? That is pocket change for Uncy Phil. 15 million? 30 million? I still think they will rue the day they made this decision. Usc and Ucla too. Screw em all I hope they choke on their extra money and lose every game forever  Go Beavs! |
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Post by obf on Aug 9, 2023 8:42:10 GMT -8
Looks like the sucks aren't even getting a 50% share to start:
Recall that the current Pac-12 media deal was paying about 32 million a year.
So... The ucks blew up the Pac-12 for a measly extra $5 million guaranteed and NO upside until 2030 at the earliest. By which time they will be a mid tier B1G team and have a boat load of frequent flyer miles... If I was a uof ho fan I would be PISSED about that! Forget this being a terrible decision for the Beavs and Cougs, this was a bad decision for the DUCKS!
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Post by gameday on Aug 9, 2023 18:27:59 GMT -8
SEC is pushing for just the top 12 teams in ranking getting playoff seeds. They want to do away with conference winners getting an automatic invite. SEC wants more of their own conference teams in the playoffs. Go figure. I have had Apple TV+ for a couple years now, and outside of all the concerns about subscribers and accessibility to PAC (or whatever conference), one thing I can say is that Apple does a quality job with their products. Its subscriber base, like you said, is growing. Question is whether a new PAC/MWC would get payouts close to what they were offering before “the implosion”, if they would even be interested now. I have to say I remain skeptical of the Apple deal. For the headline games, yes. Oregon State vs 0,—-I think it would have worked. But who wants to watch Cal play Miami, Ohio, for example? You would have to believe that the bigger media would have been all over this. And I have not heard one school say they were “all in”. Go Beavs. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 9, 2023 18:31:37 GMT -8
Looks like the sucks aren't even getting a 50% share to start: Recall that the current Pac-12 media deal was paying about 32 million a year. So... The ucks blew up the Pac-12 for a measly extra $5 million guaranteed and NO upside until 2030 at the earliest. By which time they will be a mid tier B1G team and have a boat load of frequent flyer miles... If I was a uof ho fan I would be PISSED about that! Forget this being a terrible decision for the Beavs and Cougs, this was a bad decision for the DUCKS! Don't forget they're also expected to borrow against future revenues to pay for travel. I hope the legislature makes them give some to OSU, although that may come out in damages adjustment from the pot of money. |
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