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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 7, 2023 12:15:34 GMT -8
Looks like it's the AAC courting the Pac 4! This is getting embarassing Too far to travel, but the AAC is a quality conference and has applied to conference commissioners more than once for inclusion to the P5/Autonomous group. They have a very strong case/facts with comparisons to the other P5 conferences. "Whenever a so-called non-P5 school wins the national championship in men’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, three national championships in women’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, 2015 and 2016, or makes the College Football Playoff, as the American did in 2021, or in addition makes (seven times) and wins (four times) a New Year’s Day Bowl game against a top ten team or makes the men’s Final Four and the Elite Eight and the Sweet Sixteen, how are those teams “non-power”? It is absurd, and proof that the power moniker makes no sense competitively. The fact that so-called P5 teams that have not achieved at that level are still deemed “power” teams is an absurdity on its face. Another absurdity involves realignment, where Group of Five teams instantly become Power Five teams simply by signing a piece of paper." Folks are so hung up on labels that truly have zero meaning. Many non=P5 teams have had great success vs P5 teams. They are indeed grouped with weaker cohorts, just like every P5 conference. I want OSU to be financially sound and successful, and a merger with the MWC provides the best solution for sustained success and financial footing. It is NOT embarrassing to be in any particular conference as long as it promotes the academic and athletic well being of their student athletes. That is the goal... NOT being a member of a P5 conference. OSU isn't going to disappear, they've overcome before and will now. The AAC is the old Big East football schools. Louisville was the final Big East Champions in football. And they beat #3 Florida in the Sugar Bowl 33-23. The next year, the Big East basketball schools kicked the football schools out of the conference. Central Florida were the first ever AAC Champions in football, and they beat #6 Baylor in the Fiesta Bowl. 2013 was the final year of the BCS, and the AAC did not get an automatic bid into the CFP, like the Big Five Conferences. As such, 2013 was also the final year for Louisville and Rutgers. Rutgers started playing in the Big Ten in 2014, and Louisville was added to the ACC to replace Maryland. In 2014, Central Florida, Cincinnati, and Memphis finished tied for first and went to the Bitcoin St. Petersburg, Military, and Miami Beach Bowls. In 2015, Houston won its first-ever AAC Championship and first Conference Championship of any kind since 2006. They beat #9 Florida State in the Peach Bowl 38-24. In 2016, Temple won the AAC Championship and played at the Military Bowl. In 2017, Central Florida won the AAC Championship and beat #7 Auburn 34-27 in the Peach Bowl. In 2018, Central Florida won a second-consecutive AAC Championship and lost to #11 LSU in the Fiesta Bowl 40-32. In 2019, Memphis won the AAC Championship and lost to #10 Penn State in the Cotton Bowl 53-39. Prior to the 2020 season, Connecticut quit the AAC, in order to rejoin the Big East in all other sports. Cincinnati won the AAC Championship and lost to #9 Georgia in the Peach Bowl. Cincinnati won a second consecutive AAC Championship in 2021 and got destroyed by #1 Alabama in the CFP at the Cotton Bowl, 27-6. Last year, Tulane won the AAC Championship and beat USC 46-45 in the Cotton Bowl. The past nine seasons, the AAC has undoubtedly been the best football conference outside of the Big Five. The only times that the AAC Champion did not play in a Big Six Bowl Game was in 2014 and 2016, when Boise State went to the Fiesta Bowl and 13-0 Western Michigan went to the Cotton Bowl, respectively. |
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Post by beavableeda on Aug 7, 2023 13:17:32 GMT -8
The GEOGRAPHICAL logistics of some of these scenarios are flat out stupid. no to ACC. As RenoBeaver said "Embarrassing".
Left Coast is the BEST Coast. We need to bring the best west teams to the Pac12. Like others have stated I like the idea of San Diego State, Boise St, Fresno State, UNLV, UNR, Wyoming, New Mexico, Airforce, Colorado State, etc. And bring in two Texas schools-SMU +1. Maybe make it a 16-20 team conference. I'm just a wiseguy, I don't have all the answers.
We Bleediing. We bloody.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 7, 2023 13:30:23 GMT -8
Too far to travel, but the AAC is a quality conference and has applied to conference commissioners more than once for inclusion to the P5/Autonomous group. They have a very strong case/facts with comparisons to the other P5 conferences. "Whenever a so-called non-P5 school wins the national championship in men’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, three national championships in women’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, 2015 and 2016, or makes the College Football Playoff, as the American did in 2021, or in addition makes (seven times) and wins (four times) a New Year’s Day Bowl game against a top ten team or makes the men’s Final Four and the Elite Eight and the Sweet Sixteen, how are those teams “non-power”? It is absurd, and proof that the power moniker makes no sense competitively. The fact that so-called P5 teams that have not achieved at that level are still deemed “power” teams is an absurdity on its face. Another absurdity involves realignment, where Group of Five teams instantly become Power Five teams simply by signing a piece of paper." Folks are so hung up on labels that truly have zero meaning. Many non=P5 teams have had great success vs P5 teams. They are indeed grouped with weaker cohorts, just like every P5 conference. I want OSU to be financially sound and successful, and a merger with the MWC provides the best solution for sustained success and financial footing. It is NOT embarrassing to be in any particular conference as long as it promotes the academic and athletic well being of their student athletes. That is the goal... NOT being a member of a P5 conference. OSU isn't going to disappear, they've overcome before and will now. They just lost their two best football schools, and Houston. So a lot of their football clout just walked out the door. While Tulane was really good last year and I quite enjoyed them beating USC, they've lost 6 or more games the prior 20 years, most of those being losing seasons. I agree though, the remaining teams are a solid group. I think Boise State and SDSU are better overall programs than anyone currently in the conference. however, the MWC bottom 4 or 5 certainly bottoms out. It's a good league to pick apart if the Pac 4 can use whatever clout it has left to create a new league. Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and UTSA would make a real solid Pac-East So, we say the thing that is going to hurt USC/UCLA/UO/UW's Olympic-sport athletes and cost them a ton of extra expenses in travel, is being 2-3 time zones away from the rest of the conference. Then you suggest teams from Texas, Tennessee and Louisiana? Interesting. Stay PST/MST. Stay regional. Stay west, keep our footprint compact and build real regional rivalries over the next 20 years. You know, like we had in the old Pac-8, Pac-10 and Pac-12. |
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Post by beaver94 on Aug 7, 2023 13:47:27 GMT -8
They just lost their two best football schools, and Houston. So a lot of their football clout just walked out the door. While Tulane was really good last year and I quite enjoyed them beating USC, they've lost 6 or more games the prior 20 years, most of those being losing seasons. I agree though, the remaining teams are a solid group. I think Boise State and SDSU are better overall programs than anyone currently in the conference. however, the MWC bottom 4 or 5 certainly bottoms out. It's a good league to pick apart if the Pac 4 can use whatever clout it has left to create a new league. Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and UTSA would make a real solid Pac-East So, we say the thing that is going to hurt USC/UCLA/UO/UW's Olympic-sport athletes and cost them a ton of extra expenses in travel, is being 2-3 time zones away from the rest of the conference. Then you suggest teams from Texas, Tennessee and Louisiana? Interesting. Stay PST/MST. Stay regional. Stay west, keep our footprint compact and build real regional rivalries over the next 20 years. You know, like we had in the old Pac-8, Pac-10 and Pac-12. Staying PST/MST really seems like the best option to me. Does this suck, and did things just get harder, sure, but it's not like things were't already tough OSU. How many posts have we seen over the years about how hard it is to compete in the PAC-12 being one of the lowest funded schools. Now we can move forward with the possibility of being one of the better funded schools, or at least on equal terms as most of the other schools in our league. Maybe some of our struggling teams (looking at you men's basketball) can even succeed. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Aug 7, 2023 17:24:44 GMT -8
While their at it...try to get Gonzaga to join as basketball only. I think that would be a win win situation. I wish but it doesn't seem like the pac are interested.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 7, 2023 20:17:13 GMT -8
They just lost their two best football schools, and Houston. So a lot of their football clout just walked out the door. While Tulane was really good last year and I quite enjoyed them beating USC, they've lost 6 or more games the prior 20 years, most of those being losing seasons. I agree though, the remaining teams are a solid group. I think Boise State and SDSU are better overall programs than anyone currently in the conference. however, the MWC bottom 4 or 5 certainly bottoms out. It's a good league to pick apart if the Pac 4 can use whatever clout it has left to create a new league. Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and UTSA would make a real solid Pac-East So, we say the thing that is going to hurt USC/UCLA/UO/UW's Olympic-sport athletes and cost them a ton of extra expenses in travel, is being 2-3 time zones away from the rest of the conference. Then you suggest teams from Texas, Tennessee and Louisiana? Interesting. Stay PST/MST. Stay regional. Stay west, keep our footprint compact and build real regional rivalries over the next 20 years. You know, like we had in the old Pac-8, Pac-10 and Pac-12. I agree...unfortunately SMU, Tulane, and Memphis offer 10X more value than Wyoming, New Mexico, San Jose State, Nevada. I think the Pac could still coddle together a conference that pays 20 to 25M per. The lower tier MWC teams add zero value. So yeah, probably gonna have add teams in bigger TV markets to get a bigger contract. Add UTSA to that list, and Gonzaga for hoops. Memphis, SDSU, Zags, is a legit hoops conference. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 7, 2023 20:29:16 GMT -8
So, we say the thing that is going to hurt USC/UCLA/UO/UW's Olympic-sport athletes and cost them a ton of extra expenses in travel, is being 2-3 time zones away from the rest of the conference. Then you suggest teams from Texas, Tennessee and Louisiana? Interesting. Stay PST/MST. Stay regional. Stay west, keep our footprint compact and build real regional rivalries over the next 20 years. You know, like we had in the old Pac-8, Pac-10 and Pac-12. I agree...unfortunately SMU, Tulane, and Memphis offer 10X more value than Wyoming, New Mexico, San Jose State, Nevada. I think the Pac could still coddle together a conference that pays 20 to 25M per. The lower tier MWC teams add zero value. So yeah, probably gonna have add teams in bigger TV markets to get a bigger contract. Add UTSA to that list, and Gonzaga for hoops. Memphis, SDSU, Zags, is a legit hoops conference. Yep...but I think OSU will be heading to the Big 12 anyway. If not, then this is a much better road to creating some sort of new Pac conference. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 8, 2023 11:30:02 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago.
They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program.
Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU.
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Post by grayman on Aug 8, 2023 12:08:22 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. Fine, then Wyoming should be a part of whatever conference is most likely going to come out of this mess. But I still think RenoBeaver's overall point stands. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Aug 8, 2023 12:21:14 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. I can't speak to their facilities and am not the person to rate such things to begin with. I'm more in the camp of a 45lb weight is a 45lb weight no matter the color, shape, holes, slots, grooves. metallic flake this or that paint, etc... I can say attending a Wyoming home football game during a snow storm is on my bucket list. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 8, 2023 12:26:40 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. I can't speak to their facilities and am not the person to rate such things to begin with. I'm more in the camp of a 45lb weight is a 45lb weight no matter the color, shape, holes, slots, grooves. metallic flake this or that paint, etc... I can say attending a Wyoming home football game during a snow storm is on my bucket list. You might recognize # 17, Wyoming quarterback. Wyo's punter was a kid from Crescent Valley, Ryan Galovich. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 8, 2023 12:28:54 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. Wyoming has a lot of oil money and not a lot of people. This allows the state to fund such things as athletic facilities that our state would never do. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Aug 8, 2023 12:39:01 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. I don’t doubt what you say. My question then is, why aren’t they ever good? |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Aug 8, 2023 12:39:01 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. Wyoming has a lot of oil money and not a lot of people. This allows the state to fund such things as athletic facilities that our state would never do. Things would likely be vastly different if OSU was the only P5 school in the state. U. Wyoming is a solo point of state pride, here it's split. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 8, 2023 12:53:17 GMT -8
Wyoming's facilities are as good, or better, than ours. Their north end zone weight facility is awesome. They have an indoor practice facility that's newer and nicer than ours. They have a separate facility for volleyball and wrestling. And they are about to redo the west side of their stadium too, to match the east side, which was renovated several years ago. They have a 15K basketball arena that was extensively renovated several years ago. They also have a state legislature that works with athletics and often matches donations above a certain $ amount, something the Oregon state legislature would never do. They are not a lower-level MWC program. Their AD (Tom Burman) was the AD at Portland State before going to UW. I don't know how much longer he is going to work but he would be a definite ally of OSU and WSU. I don’t doubt what you say. My question then is, why aren’t they ever good? Try recruiting top level players from large cities to Wyoming........good luck. |
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