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Post by bvrbred on Aug 7, 2023 6:00:54 GMT -8
Sweet. Maybe we can start a long, meaningful rivalry with West Virginia. Since the Pac-12 started, Oregon State has played California, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Washington State every year. Oregon State played Arizona State and Utah 10 of 12 seasons, including six straight for Arizona State. Oregon State played Colorado eight times, and Oregon State played Arizona seven times. (It should also be eight, but Arizona and Oregon State missed each other in 2020, because of the awful COVID-19 scheduling.) In the same period of time, Oregon State played USC six times and UCLA five times. Before the Pac-10 became the Pac-12, though, the story is different. The two teams played Oregon State every year from 1990-2012: Arizona and Oregon. USC only played Oregon State 18 times in that period. UCLA only played Oregon State 19 times. California and Wazzu only played Oregon State 20 times. From 1987-2012, Oregon State played Oregon every year in the Civil War. Oregon State played two teams 26 times: Arizona and Stanford. Oregon State played two teams 25 times: Arizona State and Washington. Since 1987, Arizona State has actually played Oregon State more often than California and Wazzu, despite California and Wazzu each playing Oregon State every year since 2003 (and California every year since 1995). Oregon State has played Arizona one fewer time than California and Wazzu with the scrubbing of the 2020 game between Arizona and Oregon State accounting for the difference. Arizona and Arizona State are great rivals for Oregon State, as they have been for the past 45 years. And let me add that, in ASU's case, the rivalry goes back further than that. From the time ASU joined the WAC, in 1962, until they joined the Pac Oregon State may have been their best out of conference rival, playing them 10 times in that stretch. This, the Frank Kush era, was an important time in ASU's development as a program. They progressed from being a regional team to a national power. |
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Post by ftd on Aug 7, 2023 6:03:10 GMT -8
From a fan perspective I actually prefer the MWC merger alternative...and better yet restructuring. I personally prefer the regional aspect of it. Long term, games against Boise State and Fresno and SDSU excite me more than potential match ups against Texas Tech, Cincinnati, and, Houston. But bottom line OSU has to make the best move financially. Financially is what caused this mess. Best move is what is best in both the short run and the long run. What is best for the student athletes and fans probably isn't the best thing financially in the short term |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 7, 2023 6:34:23 GMT -8
From a fan perspective I actually prefer the MWC merger alternative...and better yet restructuring. I personally prefer the regional aspect of it. Long term, games against Boise State and Fresno and SDSU excite me more than potential match ups against Texas Tech, Cincinnati, and, Houston. But bottom line OSU has to make the best move financially. Financially is what caused this mess. Best move is what is best in both the short run and the long run. What is best for the student athletes and fans probably isn't the best thing financially in the short term I don't disagree but 15M short term in Big 12 with full payout upon new contract lomg term would likely be a 100M+ difference over 12 to 15 years in MWC. |
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Post by 93beav on Aug 7, 2023 7:03:08 GMT -8
Let's (continue to) put this to bed...
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 7, 2023 7:10:38 GMT -8
Let's (continue to) put this to bed... Pretty sure it was the Athletic that reported that Oregon and Washington weren't even being considered by the B10. Then 12 hours later they were gone. Fast and furious right now and not sure anyone really knows what's happening. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 7, 2023 9:20:15 GMT -8
The Big 12 is a league in which the Beavs can find success. The Big Ten is going to be painful for at least half of the teams that jumped. My preference is for a Pac 2.0, but there are advantages to joining an established conference. Agree with all of this......I'm afraid a Pac 2.0 would pretty much just be a re-branded MWC though. As for the schools who are going to the B10, I think they will regret it......all of em.....and I like the thought of that. F 'em all. |
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Post by Mike84 on Aug 7, 2023 9:45:51 GMT -8
Way back when this insanity was first developing (when USC and UCLA announced), I said, mostly jokingly, that the Pac-12 should just become the west division of the Big 10. When conferences are so big, you have to have *at least* two divisions anyway.
Now that the unthinkable disaster of last Friday has come to pass, I'm having a lot of trouble processing the news. I have some seriously doomsday-y scenarios running through my head about what all this might mean to Beaver sports. I feel like something sort of sacred has been ripped away from me.
But, as I process it, I am starting to lean toward the idea that it is more important for the Beavers to maintain regionality in sports than to be in one of the big 4 conferences. Not only would it lend some sanity to our sports scheduling and traveling but it would also be sort of a statement. It could make OSU sort of the darling for standing up for what's right (even if it really wasn't our choice). There's a reason that more than one national media person has said that they will be rooting for OSU to win the PAC-12 this season!
Also, as strange as it seems, being in a "mid-major" conference might be the easier path to the expanded playoffs for the Beavers. Ignoring for a moment the very real possibility that we would lose many athletes and possibly coaches if we were not part of what was the P5 (which doesn't currently exist anyway), if we could win some sort of Mountain West/Pac-4 hybrid conference, winning all our games in the process, we would HAVE to be in the conversation for the 12-team playoff. And that may be a better chance than finishing even well into the top half of an 18- or 20-team mega conference.
So, as of right now, I'm sort of hoping that we DON'T get (or accept) an invite to the Big 12 or any other far-flung conference -- unless it is done in a way that we are in a division that includes mostly West Coast teams. What I do know for sure, however, is that I have absolutely no control over what happens and I will never root for a different college team instead.
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Post by thomasg86 on Aug 7, 2023 9:46:00 GMT -8
Let's (continue to) put this to bed... Pretty sure it was the Athletic that reported that Oregon and Washington weren't even being considered by the B10. Then 12 hours later they were gone. Fast and furious right now and not sure anyone really knows what's happening. Exactly. This dude's publication was in the dark before all the madness, while others were correctly giving info on what was likely about to happen. Not that he's wrong, but I would take it with a grain of salt. Also could just be semantics. They have authorized #17 and #18 and are shopping around. I'm sure they are looking at OSU and SDSU very closely, but they are also looking at others (like they'd LOVE to have Stanford if they could somehow convince them). So as of right now, they aren't officially looking to add OSU and SDSU, sure. You also don't want them to know they are the favorite if you are trying to negotiate down their rate. But maybe by the end of the week they will be looking to officially add. Time will tell. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 7, 2023 10:06:11 GMT -8
Looks like it's the AAC courting the Pac 4!
This is getting embarassing
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Post by rgeorge on Aug 7, 2023 10:19:51 GMT -8
Looks like it's the AAC courting the Pac 4! This is getting embarassing Too far to travel, but the AAC is a quality conference and has applied to conference commissioners more than once for inclusion to the P5/Autonomous group. They have a very strong case/facts with comparisons to the other P5 conferences. "Whenever a so-called non-P5 school wins the national championship in men’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, three national championships in women’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, 2015 and 2016, or makes the College Football Playoff, as the American did in 2021, or in addition makes (seven times) and wins (four times) a New Year’s Day Bowl game against a top ten team or makes the men’s Final Four and the Elite Eight and the Sweet Sixteen, how are those teams “non-power”? It is absurd, and proof that the power moniker makes no sense competitively. The fact that so-called P5 teams that have not achieved at that level are still deemed “power” teams is an absurdity on its face. Another absurdity involves realignment, where Group of Five teams instantly become Power Five teams simply by signing a piece of paper." Folks are so hung up on labels that truly have zero meaning. Many non=P5 teams have had great success vs P5 teams. They are indeed grouped with weaker cohorts, just like every P5 conference. I want OSU to be financially sound and successful, and a merger with the MWC provides the best solution for sustained success and financial footing. It is NOT embarrassing to be in any particular conference as long as it promotes the academic and athletic well being of their student athletes. That is the goal... NOT being a member of a P5 conference. OSU isn't going to disappear, they've overcome before and will now. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Aug 7, 2023 10:26:34 GMT -8
I'd still like to keep a two timezone conference. I think it will be a recruiting win for teams in the league. Long travel times and problems with classes, tests, studying are all more difficult when traveling two or three time zones. Most parents will like the minimal travel as well. Either merge with MWC or Get two more teams in the Pac-4 by 2024, then build more in 2025. Both scenarios we need to stay P5 for the auto bid Isn't it the top 6 conference champions that get "auto bids?" It was just assumed the conference as it is now (before all the defections) would be assured of being in the top 6? Meaning just getting any 6-8 teams wouldn't necessarily guarantee any playoff bid. Maybe I'm wrong. Looking to see what anyone else understood this to be. |
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Aug 7, 2023 10:41:42 GMT -8
I'd still like to keep a two timezone conference. I think it will be a recruiting win for teams in the league. Long travel times and problems with classes, tests, studying are all more difficult when traveling two or three time zones. Most parents will like the minimal travel as well. Either merge with MWC or Get two more teams in the Pac-4 by 2024, then build more in 2025. Both scenarios we need to stay P5 for the auto bid Isn't it the top 6 conference champions that get "auto bids?" It was just assumed the conference as it is now (before all the defections) would be assured of being in the top 6? Meaning just getting any 6-8 teams wouldn't necessarily guarantee any playoff bid. Maybe I'm wrong. Looking to see what anyone else understood this to be. Guaranteed bids for the top six conference champions in the CFP rankings; no conference will have an automatic bid. At-large bids for the six highest-ranked remaining teams which could include additional conference champions. So, if OSU were MWC Champs and were one of the top six highest ranked Conference champs they would be in playoff. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 7, 2023 10:56:56 GMT -8
Way back when this insanity was first developing (when USC and UCLA announced), I said, mostly jokingly, that the Pac-12 should just become the west division of the Big 10. When conferences are so big, you have to have *at least* two divisions anyway. Now that the unthinkable disaster of last Friday has come to pass, I'm having a lot of trouble processing the news. I have some seriously doomsday-y scenarios running through my head about what all this might mean to Beaver sports. I feel like something sort of sacred has been ripped away from me. But, as I process it, I am starting to lean toward the idea that it is more important for the Beavers to maintain regionality in sports than to be in one of the big 4 conferences. Not only would it lend some sanity to our sports scheduling and traveling but it would also be sort of a statement. It could make OSU sort of the darling for standing up for what's right (even if it really wasn't our choice). There's a reason that more than one national media person has said that they will be rooting for OSU to win the PAC-12 this season! Also, as strange as it seems, being in a "mid-major" conference might be the easier path to the expanded playoffs for the Beavers. Ignoring for a moment the very real possibility that we would lose many athletes and possibly coaches if we were not part of what was the P5 (which doesn't currently exist anyway), if we could win some sort of Mountain West/Pac-4 hybrid conference, winning all our games in the process, we would HAVE to be in the conversation for the 12-team playoff. And that may be a better chance than finishing even well into the top half of an 18- or 20-team mega conference. So, as of right now, I'm sort of hoping that we DON'T get (or accept) an invite to the Big 12 or any other far-flung conference -- unless it is done in a way that we are in a division that includes mostly West Coast teams. What I do know for sure, however, is that I have absolutely no control over what happens and I will never root for a different college team instead. My wife, who infinitely more positive than I am when it comes to stuff like this made me feel slightly better.....assuming some kind of MWC merger...she reminded me that my mom grew up in Boise, and all our family over there are rabid BSU fans....a great regional rivalry in the making for sure. Also, we lived in NV for 12 years back in the Chris Ault Wolfpack days and had season Tix for football. We have a lot of Wolfpack friends.....my brother lives in Wyoming.....we have Family and friends around San Diego......going to Vegas for a game? Wazzu, Furd, Cal still I'm definitely still salty as hell, but I'm also looking at the regional thing as a potential positive.......the A holes that left can fall flat on their faces. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Aug 7, 2023 11:04:44 GMT -8
Isn't it the top 6 conference champions that get "auto bids?" It was just assumed the conference as it is now (before all the defections) would be assured of being in the top 6? Meaning just getting any 6-8 teams wouldn't necessarily guarantee any playoff bid. Maybe I'm wrong. Looking to see what anyone else understood this to be. Guaranteed bids for the top six conference champions in the CFP rankings; no conference will have an automatic bid. At-large bids for the six highest-ranked remaining teams which could include additional conference champions. So, if OSU were MWC Champs and were one of the top six highest ranked Conference champs they would be in playoff. If we can somehow keep Smith around and give him enough resources to keep doing what he's doing.......and the recruiting remains strong.....I could see this being a real potential for us to get into the expanded playoff. The recruiting piece is going to be interesting. Smith et al having been killing it. Will this kill the momentum? We've been landing kids who have big time options. In the Pac/MW with less money and more regional competition......I dunno. It doesn't scream positive for potential recruits |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 7, 2023 11:16:50 GMT -8
Looks like it's the AAC courting the Pac 4! This is getting embarassing Too far to travel, but the AAC is a quality conference and has applied to conference commissioners more than once for inclusion to the P5/Autonomous group. They have a very strong case/facts with comparisons to the other P5 conferences. "Whenever a so-called non-P5 school wins the national championship in men’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, three national championships in women’s basketball, as the American did in 2014, 2015 and 2016, or makes the College Football Playoff, as the American did in 2021, or in addition makes (seven times) and wins (four times) a New Year’s Day Bowl game against a top ten team or makes the men’s Final Four and the Elite Eight and the Sweet Sixteen, how are those teams “non-power”? It is absurd, and proof that the power moniker makes no sense competitively. The fact that so-called P5 teams that have not achieved at that level are still deemed “power” teams is an absurdity on its face. Another absurdity involves realignment, where Group of Five teams instantly become Power Five teams simply by signing a piece of paper." Folks are so hung up on labels that truly have zero meaning. Many non=P5 teams have had great success vs P5 teams. They are indeed grouped with weaker cohorts, just like every P5 conference. I want OSU to be financially sound and successful, and a merger with the MWC provides the best solution for sustained success and financial footing. It is NOT embarrassing to be in any particular conference as long as it promotes the academic and athletic well being of their student athletes. That is the goal... NOT being a member of a P5 conference. OSU isn't going to disappear, they've overcome before and will now. They just lost their two best football schools, and Houston. So a lot of their football clout just walked out the door. While Tulane was really good last year and I quite enjoyed them beating USC, they've lost 6 or more games the prior 20 years, most of those being losing seasons. I agree though, the remaining teams are a solid group. I think Boise State and SDSU are better overall programs than anyone currently in the conference. however, the MWC bottom 4 or 5 certainly bottoms out. It's a good league to pick apart if the Pac 4 can use whatever clout it has left to create a new league. Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and UTSA would make a real solid Pac-East |
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