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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 7, 2023 5:43:11 GMT -8
I'm also reading/hearing that the ACC has some interesting in taking all 4 teams. The reason being that the ACC is stuck in a 20 year agreement for grant of rights they signed in 2016. Their current media deal is terrible in comparison and there are teams wanting out (FSU). If they can merge with a conference they can go back to the drawing board with new agreements. It would take creative scheduling, but I would choose The ACC over any merger with the Mountain West. The B12 would be nice and a better option for OSU.... but the taking of all 4 teams in an ACC is an interesting idea. The ACC sounds horrible to me for the travel reasons, if nothing else. Baseball would get really fun though. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Aug 7, 2023 5:50:20 GMT -8
I'm also reading/hearing that the ACC has some interesting in taking all 4 teams. The reason being that the ACC is stuck in a 20 year agreement for grant of rights they signed in 2016. Their current media deal is terrible in comparison and there are teams wanting out (FSU). If they can merge with a conference they can go back to the drawing board with new agreements. It would take creative scheduling, but I would choose The ACC over any merger with the Mountain West. The B12 would be nice and a better option for OSU.... but the taking of all 4 teams in an ACC is an interesting idea. The ACC is about to implode. Their four majors will be next to get absorbed by Big 10 and SEC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC) |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 7, 2023 6:28:22 GMT -8
We would be under more consideration by the Big12 if our men's basketball team was at least competitive.
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Post by bvrbred on Aug 7, 2023 6:37:24 GMT -8
The ACC sounds horrible to me for the travel reasons, if nothing else. I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that... but I like it better than the merger with the MW. If you keep the 4 teams together in the same division you could theoretically have a few of your away games much closer with travel across country being limited to 2-3 games. For non-revenue sports, it's fairly easy to put together road trips that have you play multiple games over a weekend at the same location. For example wrestling will sometimes have 3 teams at one location to wrestle two duals rather than making 2 trips. It would definitely take some creative scheduling. If the travel problems can be worked around satisfactorily, I'm for a Big12 deal because I think its a surer thing for Oregon State's long term prospects. A PacWest merger would be great if everything worked out. But that's a best case scenario. Who are the marquee football programs that would attract national interest? Ourselves? Fine if we keep it up but we haven't exactly been consistent and we don't move the needle on the national level. WSU? Similar. Cal/Stanford? Apparent lack of institutional support/interest. The MWC schools? We beat the two best ones last year and it was before we had even hit our stride. Contrast that with the Big 12, who have TCU, KState, OkieState, Baylor, Utah--all have made more waves on the national level in recent years than any of the teams in a new PacWest. If we do well in that conference we could be on our way to becoming a national brand in football. Much easier path than staying in a new PacWest, where, even if we do well, we might be looked at as just another Boise State. I don't mean to diminish Boise State. I have great respect for what they have accomplished but they are a poster child for what happens when good teams get stuck in the wrong situation. |
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Post by oldbeav on Aug 7, 2023 6:39:18 GMT -8
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 7, 2023 6:55:41 GMT -8
The Big 12 is playing Mr. Potter II (the Big Ten played Mr. Potter I).
The Big 12 realizes there is still value in the Pac-whatever brand. So it can totally destroy it by raiding from within (OSU) and my removing the league's prime target for expanding and revitalizing itself (SDSU).
More attempts at buying value for 40-45 cents on the dollar.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 7, 2023 7:00:31 GMT -8
The Big 12 is playing Mr. Potter II (the Big Ten played Mr. Potter I). The Big 12 realizes there is still value in the Pac-whatever brand. So it can totally destroy it by raiding from within (OSU) and my removing the league's prime target for expanding and revitalizing itself (SDSU). More attempts at buying value for 40-45 cents on the dollar. So you are saying we are being used. And the alternative to saving our financial arse is? |
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 7, 2023 7:11:04 GMT -8
Is it better to have say the Big12 throw us a lifeline in a raging turbulent river where we are forever kissing their arse for "Saving" us or is it better to try and swim to shore on our own - even though we could easily drown in the attempt. And then try and encourage half a dozen others to join the pac4 and rejuvenate the conference of champions?
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 7, 2023 7:14:54 GMT -8
Why would we jump? Because no one else is looking out for us. #$%& this guy.
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Post by speakthetruth on Aug 7, 2023 7:22:57 GMT -8
So when ESPN gameday shows up on campus for the undefeated Beavs against fucla do we show up and everybody give a finger to the camera for the whole show or just boycott altogether?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 7, 2023 7:28:39 GMT -8
Why would we jump? Because no one else is looking out for us. #$%& this guy. Thats rude |
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Post by Judge Smails on Aug 7, 2023 7:44:24 GMT -8
SI is already reporting that this rumor is dead.
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Post by 93beav on Aug 7, 2023 8:19:05 GMT -8
I'm also reading/hearing that the ACC has some interesting in taking all 4 teams. The reason being that the ACC is stuck in a 20 year agreement for grant of rights they signed in 2016. Their current media deal is terrible in comparison and there are teams wanting out (FSU). If they can merge with a conference they can go back to the drawing board with new agreements. It would take creative scheduling, but I would choose The ACC over any merger with the Mountain West. The B12 would be nice and a better option for OSU.... but the taking of all 4 teams in an ACC is an interesting idea. I've heard that ESPN has a (very) small concern about late night programming. Maybe that is fueling this. As Jim notes in his tweet, it's a very long shot. At the same time, if I'm the ACC, I'd turn the tables for once. I'd tell ESPN that if they don't get a new deal, there's a very good chance the conference dissolves. And while the SEC will get some, it's likely the B1G will get more. ESPN has coverage of the B1G, but is a minority partner to Fox. This would put Fox in the driver's seat. Maybe ESPN can cough up a new deal and reduced shares for PAC-4 members (who would then need to add some members to make a Western division of the ACC). |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 7, 2023 8:48:39 GMT -8
Is it better to have say the Big12 throw us a lifeline in a raging turbulent river where we are forever kissing their arse for "Saving" us or is it better to try and swim to shore on our own - even though we could easily drown in the attempt. And then try and encourage half a dozen others to join the pac4 and rejuvenate the conference of champions? Good questions. I honestly don't know. Is it a Hobson's choice, or an opportunity? But I do think it's best to wait a bit and check out more options, rather than rush into something and hamstring ourselves for the next 4-5 years at 30-35 cents on the dollar, or whatever the Big 12 plans to pay. The Pac name has value. It has the inventory to fill the basketball/football TV windows in the 6-8 p.m. PST/PDT timeslots, which are valuable. We have a whole year of the current rights fees still in effect. We have a nice $420 million war chest which buys us some time. Find out who is willing to join us. SDSU, CSU, Fresno State? Wyoming, Boise State, UNLV? That's a decent 10-team, West Coast-oriented league right there. We have to play Moneyball. Find unrecognized, undervalued assets and use them to our advantage. |
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Post by idaho on Aug 7, 2023 9:05:47 GMT -8
I'm also reading/hearing that the ACC has some interesting in taking all 4 teams. The reason being that the ACC is stuck in a 20 year agreement for grant of rights they signed in 2016. Their current media deal is terrible in comparison and there are teams wanting out (FSU). If they can merge with a conference they can go back to the drawing board with new agreements. It would take creative scheduling, but I would choose The ACC over any merger with the Mountain West. The B12 would be nice and a better option for OSU.... but the taking of all 4 teams in an ACC is an interesting idea. The ACC is about to implode. Their four majors will be next to get absorbed by Big 10 and SEC (Clemson, FSU, Miami, UNC) The ACC has a grant of rights that runs through 2036 and the media deal is turning out to be awful for them to stay competitive. Nobody can leave on their own. FSU has been trying. Adding the Pac12 as a merger creates the scenario to renegotiate the media deal. It might give FSU the chance to leave they have been looking for. However, a new deal might be enough for them to stay. Of course the ACC could come back with "We have a deal in place that could merge the Pac 12 and improve each team's take to X million dollars. You can agree to take it and stay in the ACC or we can sit where we are until 2036. I don't think that the ACC would merge without signed commitment (not a Pac 12 verbal commitment) from the all teams to stay - losing 3 big name football teams to gain 4 Pac 12 is probably not a good trade. |
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