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Post by sparty on Aug 6, 2023 11:54:53 GMT -8
Just a rumor… According to Jamie Plunkett of Horned Frog Blitz (247Sports), the Big 12 will look to add a 17th and 18th conference member by the end of 2023. Two teams that Plunkett mentioned as possible extension candidates were UConn (Independent) and Oregon State (Pac-12). I hope we are well on our way rebuilding the PAC (or whatever the new name is) before we join the Big12. That would be pretty hypocritical of us, considering what Scott Barnes on down have said about the "traitors" that have recently left. I would not be in favor of that at all, unless we figuratively had a gun to our head - join Big12 or go independent And what about Stanford and Cal. Would we have to compete against the Bay area market now?
I think it could be OSU and Stanford myself.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 6, 2023 11:59:31 GMT -8
... I feel the Pac will rue the day it didn't take the deal with Apple.... When you say "the Pac" here, do you mean the schools that fled? I think the conference commissioner was ready to take the deal. I think OSU and WSU and Cal and Standford were ready to take the deal (as of Friday morning if not Thursday night). So, the ones who will rue the day are the ones that went to the other conferences and got the big money now? The ones who bailed. Maybe when it's 2 a.m. on a Sunday morning and they're only halfway home from a road trip to New Jersey or West Virginia, on a bumpy flight someplace over Tennessee. |
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Post by Mike84 on Aug 6, 2023 12:35:26 GMT -8
Just a rumor… According to Jamie Plunkett of Horned Frog Blitz (247Sports), the Big 12 will look to add a 17th and 18th conference member by the end of 2023. Two teams that Plunkett mentioned as possible extension candidates were UConn (Independent) and Oregon State (Pac-12). I hope we are well on our way rebuilding the PAC (or whatever the new name is) before we join the Big12. That would be pretty hypocritical of us, considering what Scott Barnes on down have said about the "traitors" that have recently left. I would not be in favor of that at all, unless we figuratively had a gun to our head - join Big12 or go independent I too hope we have a very firm and sustainable plan mostly in place long before the end of 2023. And although I like the idea of Midwest teams coming to play in Reser Stadium, I sincerely hope we do not end up having to have all our athletes in all sports traveling to the Midwest or East Coast for half the games in a season! However, if we did end up having to join the Big 12 as our only real option, I don't think that would be hypocritical. The "traitors" (if that was the word Barnes used) were the ones that abandoned the conference at the 11th hour when there was still a belief we could come up with a deal. If the conference is effectively dead, leaving is not traitorous. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2023 12:56:51 GMT -8
I don't understand how the Pac-X adds anybody at all. The proposed Apple media deal was so unacceptable that everybody that could leave, pretty much, left. And that was just a proposal when we had all those teams. Now there is no deal. Can't expand a "conference" that has no media deal and can't get a media deal when you have 4 teams. What am I missing? There was an article linked on the Pure Orange Facebook page (for some reason I can't copy the URL) basically stating when the Friday grant of rights meeting occurred oregon and Washington were no shows, others were more intrigued by the possibilities of the new contract. After their no-show things just cascaded. Put a similar deal forward with a revamped Pac 12, most of which have very limited media payouts currently, and it could fly. Who knows. |
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Post by ftd on Aug 6, 2023 13:08:30 GMT -8
From what I have read the Apple deal was upped to $25M/School plus a bonus for subscriptions sold....I think it was something like 1.7M Subs = $31M, 5M subs = $50M
Not all bad, not all good, but some potential real upside...
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 6, 2023 13:32:51 GMT -8
List of teams with some relevance in football would be SDSU, Nevada (terrible rn though), Air Force, Fresno, and Boise. Some that have been to bowls recently are Utah State, Hawaii, SJSU (on the rise), and Wyoming. UNLV, CSU and New Mexico need Dr. Frankenstein's help to be considered animate. Does anyone at all find alittle bit of irony in all of this talking about who is revelant to poach from in a conference when teams in the Big12 and Big1o were talking about who is revelant in the pac-12 last week and we were not one of them. The Boise St. fans especially and the other MWC fans are pointing this out.
I get what you are saying though but it does an a small tinge of irony.
I'm not a proponent of poaching. I just the two to merge at this point. |
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Post by beavheart on Aug 6, 2023 13:53:18 GMT -8
Does anyone at all find alittle bit of irony in all of this talking about who is revelant to poach from in a conference when teams in the Big12 and Big1o were talking about who is revelant in the pac-12 last week and we were not one of them. The Boise St. fans especially and the other MWC fans are pointing this out.
I get what you are saying though but it does an a small tinge of irony.
I'm not a proponent of poaching. I just the two to merge at this point. MWC fans, especially donk fans, have been pulling for the demise of the Pac12 for years and years. F*#$ donk fans, and the donk they rode in on. This is all like a wet dream for them. Besides, donk fans are absolutely just as hypocritical as anyone else. Spare me their indignation. They talk about lower division teams in EXACTLY the same way on their boards. We didn't choose this, the traitors did. Of course they don't make that distinction. It doesn't play with their "PAC are all elitists snobs" narrative. That said, I agree. Poaching teams would be bad juju. Better to merge, if that is what we're trying to do, than to pick off MWC teams until the league folds. We're just another soulless battering ram at that point. |
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Post by osbrawler on Aug 6, 2023 13:53:19 GMT -8
"The Media" tour of the new Reser is set for 8-8. It will be interesting to see what kind of press comes out of that. I suspect the new west side will be secondary in reports that follow.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2023 13:54:39 GMT -8
I seem to recall when we were looking at being the Pac 16 there was discussion of Boise State...but it was a no go because of academic/research standards required by the then Pac 12...Has that requirement changed? 3 of the 4 Pac universities going forward are Land grant universities, 2 of them are considered by some to be "Ag schools". Could there be some loosening of requirements to some degree? Note: not that there's anything wrong with being a Land Grant or Ag school - it just sounds less snobbish. I like keeping standards, but also the idea of encouraging others to reach those standards. Perhaps a probationary entry based on progress before "full" membership benefits for schools that don't quite meet some previous "requirements" yet do meet others? I dislike the idea of blanket NOs if a school is working towards a goal. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 6, 2023 13:55:19 GMT -8
I'm not a proponent of poaching. I just the two to merge at this point. MWC fans, especially donk fans, have been pulling for the demise of the Pac12 for years and years. F*#$ donk fans, and the donk they rode in on. This is all like a wet dream for them. Besides, donk fans are absolutely just as hypocritical as anyone else. Spare me their indignation. They talk about lower division teams in EXACTLY the same way on their boards. We didn't choose this, the traitors did. Of course they don't make that distinction. It doesn't play with their "PAC are all elitists snobs" narrative. That said, I agree. Poaching teams would be bad juju. Better to merge, if that is what we're trying to do, than to pick off MWC teams until the league folds. We're just another soulless battering ram at that point. Merge also side steps the buyouts and keeps the residuals in order. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2023 13:59:29 GMT -8
I hope we are well on our way rebuilding the PAC (or whatever the new name is) before we join the Big12. That would be pretty hypocritical of us, considering what Scott Barnes on down have said about the "traitors" that have recently left. I would not be in favor of that at all, unless we figuratively had a gun to our head - join Big12 or go independent I too hope we have a very firm and sustainable plan mostly in place long before the end of 2023. And although I like the idea of Midwest teams coming to play in Reser Stadium, I sincerely hope we do not end up having to have all our athletes in all sports traveling to the Midwest or East Coast for half the games in a season! However, if we did end up having to join the Big 12 as our only real option, I don't think that would be hypocritical. The "traitors" (if that was the word Barnes used) were the ones that abandoned the conference at the 11th hour when there was still a belief we could come up with a deal. If the conference is effectively dead, leaving is not traitorous. Maybe he called them "Skallywags"? |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 6, 2023 14:01:48 GMT -8
From what I have read the Apple deal was upped to $25M/School plus a bonus for subscriptions sold....I think it was something like 1.7M Subs = $31M, 5M subs = $50M Not all bad, not all good, but some potential real upside... If true, 5 million subs could be reachable. |
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Post by ftd on Aug 6, 2023 14:07:29 GMT -8
From what I have read the Apple deal was upped to $25M/School plus a bonus for subscriptions sold....I think it was something like 1.7M Subs = $31M, 5M subs = $50M Not all bad, not all good, but some potential real upside... If true, 5 million subs could be reachable. According to three people with knowledge of the terms, Apple offered the members a five-year deal with an annual base rate of $23 million per school (a subsequent counteroffer lifted it to $25 million), with incentives based on projected subscribers to a Pac-12 streaming product akin to Apple’s MLS League Pass. At 1.7 million subscribers, the per-school payout would match the $31.7 million average that Big 12 schools will reportedly receive from ESPN and Fox beginning in 2025. But Kliavkoff encouraged the room to think much bigger — at 5 million subscribers, the schools would eclipse $50 million per year, closer to the deep-pocketed SEC and Big Ten than the ACC or Big 12. theathletic.com/4752583/2023/08/05/pac12-apple-tv-deal-college-football-realignment/#Assuming those three people are correct, the schools that bailed are fools. My issue with streaming is 'can you DVR it'? Maybe with an external DVR, but if you have cable or dish, probably not...makes it tough if you have another commitment and can't watch live, or it's a late game and you are tired and just want to hit they hay...and watch it bright an early next morning |
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Post by Mike84 on Aug 6, 2023 14:15:13 GMT -8
If true, 5 million subs could be reachable. According to three people with knowledge of the terms, Apple offered the members a five-year deal with an annual base rate of $23 million per school (a subsequent counteroffer lifted it to $25 million), with incentives based on projected subscribers to a Pac-12 streaming product akin to Apple’s MLS League Pass. At 1.7 million subscribers, the per-school payout would match the $31.7 million average that Big 12 schools will reportedly receive from ESPN and Fox beginning in 2025. But Kliavkoff encouraged the room to think much bigger — at 5 million subscribers, the schools would eclipse $50 million per year, closer to the deep-pocketed SEC and Big Ten than the ACC or Big 12. theathletic.com/4752583/2023/08/05/pac12-apple-tv-deal-college-football-realignment/#From what I have read and understood, the problem that UW & UO (and maybe ASU and Utah) had with the proposed was that 5 million subscribers might have been a pipe dream and, more importantly, that they would not have enough (if any) exposure on the "linear" non-streaming networks. I can see their point in all that but wish they had valued the conference more. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 6, 2023 14:15:28 GMT -8
"The Media" tour of the new Reser is set for 8-8. It will be interesting to see what kind of press comes out of that. I suspect the new west side will be secondary in reports that follow. My guess is Barnes will be replaced by an underling. Can't blame him, he wants the focus on the stadium. OSU is no longer an ag school. it is an engineering school; engineering students make up nearly 40 of the undergraduate enrollment. The College of Agriculture might be the fourth- or fifth-largest now. CLA is second. |
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