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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2023 23:05:00 GMT -8
Why is petty spite and futile "revenge" profitable? Oregon State can take the high road and survive or Costanza out and self destruct into irrelevance. You do not hurt anybody by removing Oregon State from their lives. Schedule the a-holes. Crush them on the field. True revenge is on the scoreboard, not in an impotent show of pride. Go out there and use this, though. You can work to make Oregon State better. You can work to make Oregon State feared. But you don't do that by hiding from everyone like a bunch of scared worms. I don't think anyone is suggesting that OSU should hide like a bunch of scared worms. I don't think anyone is scared of playing Oregon. It's the principle. And there's no real benefit in playing the game moving forward because it's unlikely that Oregon will agree to something better than like a three home games to play one in Reser deal. The only good thing for OSU would be the minimal travel cost. Principles are for the Tres Comas Club, i.e. people who can afford principles. If Oregon is going to dick around with Oregon State and not give the Beavs a fair shake, expose them. Take it to the press. Oregon is scared to play in Corvallis. Great stuff. Don't give Oregon the excuse, though. You are making it too easy on 'em. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 5, 2023 23:10:23 GMT -8
Oregon playing Oregon State benefits Oregon State a lot more than it benefits Oregon. It would be stupid hubris to not schedule Oregon, give a fair opportunity. This whole thing has not been person; it's been business. And to take it personally and to act with emotion and irrationally is a way to take an already terrible situation and make it worse. Keep the rivalry as intact and as fair as possible. I hate those SOBs. I hate 'em more today than I did two days ago. But I want to make sure that the Oregon State players continue to have the opportunity to light those SOBs up like Christmas trees. It was a Civil War before. We may need to drop the civility moving forward. I'd think a lot of this depends on where we end up. If we end up in a lesser league with a very low payout and the athletic department struggles to where they're repeating the past history of neglecting football to funnel $ to the non-revenue sports... While we are competitive with uo in football now, at some point we might not be. At what point does scheduling a likely loss to our traditional rival that doesn't even care about destroying the conference we're in take precedence over more competitive and favorable opponents? All things equal, go ahead and play them on occasion, but there's little reason to make that game a priority unless it's the ONLY team we can play that fans will show up for. I don't think that will be the case. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 5, 2023 23:11:08 GMT -8
I don't think anyone is suggesting that OSU should hide like a bunch of scared worms. I don't think anyone is scared of playing Oregon. It's the principle. And there's no real benefit in playing the game moving forward because it's unlikely that Oregon will agree to something better than like a three home games to play one in Reser deal. The only good thing for OSU would be the minimal travel cost. Principles are for the Tres Comas Club, i.e. people who can afford principles. If Oregon is going to dick around with Oregon State and not give the Beavs a fair shake, expose them. Take it to the press. Oregon is scared to play in Corvallis. Great stuff. Don't give Oregon the excuse, though. You are making it too easy on 'em. Do you think that Oregon will agree to alternating site games? For the most part that's how the Civil War has been conducted. That's part of the tradition. Agreeing to play in Eugene even twice for every one home game is making it too easy on them. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2023 23:16:18 GMT -8
Principles are for the Tres Comas Club, i.e. people who can afford principles. If Oregon is going to dick around with Oregon State and not give the Beavs a fair shake, expose them. Take it to the press. Oregon is scared to play in Corvallis. Great stuff. Don't give Oregon the excuse, though. You are making it too easy on 'em. Do you think that Oregon will agree to alternating site games? For the most part that's how the Civil War has been conducted. That's part of the tradition. Agreeing to play in Eugene even twice for every one home game is making it too easy on them. Oregon will man up and play the Civil War at alternating sites, or they will be exposed as cowards. We play them until the sun supernovas, in Corvallis and then Eugene, every other year. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 5, 2023 23:17:20 GMT -8
Principles are for the Tres Comas Club, i.e. people who can afford principles. If Oregon is going to dick around with Oregon State and not give the Beavs a fair shake, expose them. Take it to the press. Oregon is scared to play in Corvallis. Great stuff. Don't give Oregon the excuse, though. You are making it too easy on 'em. Do you think that Oregon will agree to alternating site games? For the most part that's how the Civil War has been conducted. That's part of the tradition. Agreeing to play in Eugene even twice for every one home game is making it too easy on them. Assuming their media deal payout is substantially larger than OSU's, they better be paying OSU a huge appearance fee to play in Autzen every time. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 5, 2023 23:22:52 GMT -8
Do you think that Oregon will agree to alternating site games? For the most part that's how the Civil War has been conducted. That's part of the tradition. Agreeing to play in Eugene even twice for every one home game is making it too easy on them. Oregon will man up and play the Civil War at alternating sites, or they will be exposed as cowards. We play them until the sun supernovas, in Corvallis and then Eugene, every other year. I don't think Oregon cares about OSU fans or anyone thinking that they are cowards for not wanting to play at OSU every other year. But if both schools agree, then by all means keep playing it. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2023 23:24:18 GMT -8
Do you think that Oregon will agree to alternating site games? For the most part that's how the Civil War has been conducted. That's part of the tradition. Agreeing to play in Eugene even twice for every one home game is making it too easy on them. Assuming their media deal payout is substantially larger than OSU's, they better be paying OSU a huge appearance fee to play in Autzen every time. And hopefully, the new Pac-4+ contract will enable Oregon State to keep almost all of that money, unlike the old Pac-12 contract. That would have been at least a $2 million game 13 years ago. I can't imagine how much a game like that would be worth today. There are ways that this works out pretty well. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 5, 2023 23:24:36 GMT -8
Do you think that Oregon will agree to alternating site games? For the most part that's how the Civil War has been conducted. That's part of the tradition. Agreeing to play in Eugene even twice for every one home game is making it too easy on them. Assuming their media deal payout is substantially larger than OSU's, they better be paying OSU a huge appearance fee to play in Autzen every time. If the Beavers wind up as a member of the MWC, then that will most likely be the draw to play UO. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 6, 2023 5:51:36 GMT -8
Semantics aside, the pac whatever, will not be a power 5 conference. It will be comprised of the leftovers of the pac12 that no other conference wanted and filled out with teams from second tier conferences. That is going to increase the difficulty of recruiting top talent. Then there is still the issue of no media deal. More likely we will have to join a second tier conference if possible. If the bay area schools find another home, big10 is still rumored, OSU and wsu will end up the biggest losers. Who takes the Pac-12's place, though? The Pac-4 can expand and will probably still be a Power Five Conference and will still retain an automatic berth in the 12-team playoff. The eight leaving teams are leaving about $420 million on the table, around $105 million per team. That can keep Oregon State afloat for the seven years, when the Big 10 and Big 12 contracts run out. Hopefully, Oregon State just kills it without Oregon, USC, and Washington gumming up the works. Hell, Oregon State can win the next seven Pac-4+ championships in football, basketball, and baseball. Invite us in seven years. Don't. We won't care at that point. Things can still work out great. Oregon is pennywise and dollar foolish. Push 'em out the door. Get out. We'll keep the money. But keep the rivalry alive. Tradition is more important than a couple of shiny nickels anyway. Wait where is this 420 million coming from? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 6, 2023 7:51:55 GMT -8
Who takes the Pac-12's place, though? The Pac-4 can expand and will probably still be a Power Five Conference and will still retain an automatic berth in the 12-team playoff. The eight leaving teams are leaving about $420 million on the table, around $105 million per team. That can keep Oregon State afloat for the seven years, when the Big 10 and Big 12 contracts run out. Hopefully, Oregon State just kills it without Oregon, USC, and Washington gumming up the works. Hell, Oregon State can win the next seven Pac-4+ championships in football, basketball, and baseball. Invite us in seven years. Don't. We won't care at that point. Things can still work out great. Oregon is pennywise and dollar foolish. Push 'em out the door. Get out. We'll keep the money. But keep the rivalry alive. Tradition is more important than a couple of shiny nickels anyway. Wait where is this 420 million coming from? The $420 million in delayed residuals from the Pac-12, the money that the conference has earned but has not yet been paid. I believe that that amount of money is spread over at least five years. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 6, 2023 8:18:56 GMT -8
Wait where is this 420 million coming from? The $420 million in delayed residuals from the Pac-12, the money that the conference has earned but has not yet been paid. I believe that that amount of money is spread over at least five years. That is the first time I have heard the $420 is paid over five years. If true, that will change some of the decisions going forward. Regarding playing hole, I normally agree with you on your posts - not this time. If I had the skill to post the scene from the Star Trek movie, where Cpt. Kirk tells Spock he thought he would be pleased he offered the olive branch - and Spock says "not this time" 
Screw hole. Put a 5 year moratorium on playing them or the leg humpers, and then consider it after the five years. But for the foreseeable future - no. I think logically you are probably right, but it will take a few years for this fan to get over the abject betrayal of the fans of both schools, the fans of the remaining Pac12, student athletes, staff, etc. Hell, even the image of the state. Both schools benefited greatly when we were both relevant, and played the civil war - even if certain individuals had a problem with the name. The rest of the country, and most of the fans - loved it.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 6, 2023 8:20:48 GMT -8
Wait where is this 420 million coming from? The $420 million in delayed residuals from the Pac-12, the money that the conference has earned but has not yet been paid. I believe that that amount of money is spread over at least five years. well damn. If we merge with the MWC and avoid buy outs that's awfully nice. MWC should have 10s of millions coming in too right? Call it $440 mil and that's something like $30 million a team with a direct merge. Couple that with a 10-15 million media deal and some payout OOC and you've got yourself a functional conference. Hell with some money in the bank we don't even have to play hole for acouple years. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 6, 2023 12:43:40 GMT -8
The $420 million in delayed residuals from the Pac-12, the money that the conference has earned but has not yet been paid. I believe that that amount of money is spread over at least five years. That is the first time I have heard the $420 is paid over five years. If true, that will change some of the decisions going forward. Regarding playing hole, I normally agree with you on your posts - not this time. If I had the skill to post the scene from the Star Trek movie, where Cpt. Kirk tells Spock he thought he would be pleased he offered the olive branch - and Spock says "not this time"
Screw hole. Put a 5 year moratorium on playing them or the leg humpers, and then consider it after the five years. But for the foreseeable future - no. I think logically you are probably right, but it will take a few years for this fan to get over the abject betrayal of the fans of both schools, the fans of the remaining Pac12, student athletes, staff, etc. Hell, even the image of the state. Both schools benefited greatly when we were both relevant, and played the civil war - even if certain individuals had a problem with the name. The rest of the country, and most of the fans - loved it.
Leonard Nimoy is and probably will always be the best Spock. New Kirk and New Spock are speaking from a position of strength as the Romulan ship is falling into a black hole that Kirk and Spock set on the Romulan ship. And the doofus Romulan Captain is too blinded by rage to accept Kirk and Spock's olive branch offer. I am afraid that, in this instance, we are the Romulan ship slipping into the black hole that Oregon and Washington set on our ship. If low-rent New Kirk (Oregon) or low-rent New Spock (Washington), poor shadows of the originals, make an olive branch offer to Oregon State as we are crushed by a black hole that they set aboard our ship, we say, "Yes, please," as opposed to futilely being torn apart by gravitational forces. For Romulus! Or something? Who knows? And Oregon and Washington don't have the motivation that Spock has there, because Oregon State didn't just blow up Vulcan. We Wrath of Khan this. Revenge is a dish best served cold, after we take over one of their ships, kill their son, put an eel in Chekov's (USC maybe?) ear, and strand them on a lifeless planet. At that point, we do something better than getting tricked into that nebula by Kirk and Spock. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 6, 2023 12:50:13 GMT -8
The $420 million in delayed residuals from the Pac-12, the money that the conference has earned but has not yet been paid. I believe that that amount of money is spread over at least five years. well damn. If we merge with the MWC and avoid buy outs that's awfully nice. MWC should have 10s of millions coming in too right? Call it $440 mil and that's something like $30 million a team with a direct merge. Couple that with a 10-15 million media deal and some payout OOC and you've got yourself a functional conference. Hell with some money in the bank we don't even have to play hole for acouple years. Our share of the $420 million is about $105 million, like $15 million a year until the next round of contract negotiations. If we get a $15 million per team media deal, and an OOC payout, things work out fine. But even so, we don't turn down the $2+ million that an Oregon-Oregon State game would generate. Clemson-South Carolina, Florida-Florida State, Georgia-Georgia Tech, and Kentucky-Louisville make it work. Why can't we? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 6, 2023 12:58:44 GMT -8
And to try and put more of a point on this, it makes 100% no sense to travel further away than Eugene to play a game for less money. Like does it make sense to make $1 million gross on a home-and-home with Texas Tech or would it make more sense to play Oregon in a home-and-home for $2+ million?
Having said everything, it might be that, at the end of the day, the Civil War takes a five-year hiatus, because of how future contracts work.
By 2029 or so, hopefully, we are ready to move forward and make money, though, rather than still pissing and moaning.
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