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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 5, 2023 17:08:40 GMT -8
I have always hated the ducks - thank you for giving us one more reason! FTD!!!!
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Aug 5, 2023 18:22:45 GMT -8
Oregon playing Oregon State benefits Oregon State a lot more than it benefits Oregon. It would be stupid hubris to not schedule Oregon, give a fair opportunity. This whole thing has not been person; it's been business. And to take it personally and to act with emotion and irrationally is a way to take an already terrible situation and make it worse. Keep the rivalry as intact and as fair as possible. I hate those SOBs. I hate 'em more today than I did two days ago. But I want to make sure that the Oregon State players continue to have the opportunity to light those SOBs up like Christmas trees. It was a Civil War before. We may need to drop the civility moving forward. The “common sense” part of me knows you are correct, the other side of me wants to say “screw them”… Certainly would not want us to be in a situation where a lower division school goes in and gets their butt kicked 19 times out of 20. So maybe the devil is in the details. Probably yes, for now, maybe, but let’s see what happens here. Can we keep our coaches and players if we are forced to be in a lower division…? Better watch it - that emotion side is coming out again. FTD! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 18:29:46 GMT -8
We will not be in a lower division. We will still be an FBS program.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Aug 5, 2023 18:37:02 GMT -8
We will not be in a lower division. We will still be an FBS program. ...yeah.... |
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Aug 5, 2023 18:42:23 GMT -8
We will not be in a lower division. We will still be an FBS program. Yeah, I guess that’s true. But Mountain West for example, sure feels like a lower of a division than Pac-12, Big-10, etc. Maybe better to say “lower regarded division”… |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 19:41:52 GMT -8
We will not be in a lower division. We will still be an FBS program. Yeah, I guess that’s true. But Mountain West for example, sure feels like a lower of a division than Pac-12, Big-10, etc. Maybe better to say “lower regarded division”… "Division" has nothing to do with it. Maybe a lower-regarded league. Didn't stop Boise State from winning numerous bowl games over current P5 opponents. Didn't stop SDSU from reaching the NCAA championship game. Didn't stop Coastal Carolina from winning an NCAA baseball title. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Aug 5, 2023 20:14:06 GMT -8
Semantics aside, the pac whatever, will not be a power 5 conference. It will be comprised of the leftovers of the pac12 that no other conference wanted and filled out with teams from second tier conferences. That is going to increase the difficulty of recruiting top talent. Then there is still the issue of no media deal. More likely we will have to join a second tier conference if possible. If the bay area schools find another home, big10 is still rumored, OSU and wsu will end up the biggest losers.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2023 20:48:34 GMT -8
Semantics aside, the pac whatever, will not be a power 5 conference. It will be comprised of the leftovers of the pac12 that no other conference wanted and filled out with teams from second tier conferences. That is going to increase the difficulty of recruiting top talent. Then there is still the issue of no media deal. More likely we will have to join a second tier conference if possible. If the bay area schools find another home, big10 is still rumored, OSU and wsu will end up the biggest losers. Who takes the Pac-12's place, though? The Pac-4 can expand and will probably still be a Power Five Conference and will still retain an automatic berth in the 12-team playoff. The eight leaving teams are leaving about $420 million on the table, around $105 million per team. That can keep Oregon State afloat for the seven years, when the Big 10 and Big 12 contracts run out. Hopefully, Oregon State just kills it without Oregon, USC, and Washington gumming up the works. Hell, Oregon State can win the next seven Pac-4+ championships in football, basketball, and baseball. Invite us in seven years. Don't. We won't care at that point. Things can still work out great. Oregon is pennywise and dollar foolish. Push 'em out the door. Get out. We'll keep the money. But keep the rivalry alive. Tradition is more important than a couple of shiny nickels anyway. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Aug 5, 2023 20:49:23 GMT -8
Incorrect information is not "semantics."
We are not dropping a division. We will still play FBS football, the highest division in the NCAA.
We have a media deal, for the remainder of our time in the Pac-12 Conference.
Whatever happens next year, we will have a media deal. It will not be as good as the one we have now, but we will have one.
We will not be in a P5 conference. Yes, recruiting will be harder. But we will still be in one of the top six, and who knows, it might be #5, the same the Pac is now.
We also should have a substantial war chest from monies due the former Pac-12 that the departing members will not share in.
There has not been a peep about the Bay Area schools going anywhere. Not a peep. They are not an attractive add.
It sucks. I'm not glossing over anything, it's going to be much harder in the future. But I refuse to adopt a doomsday, all is lost attitude. Obviously, other's mileage varies.
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Post by irimi on Aug 5, 2023 21:24:53 GMT -8
Semantics aside, the pac whatever, will not be a power 5 conference. It will be comprised of the leftovers of the pac12 that no other conference wanted and filled out with teams from second tier conferences. That is going to increase the difficulty of recruiting top talent. Then there is still the issue of no media deal. More likely we will have to join a second tier conference if possible. If the bay area schools find another home, big10 is still rumored, OSU and wsu will end up the biggest losers. Who takes the Pac-12's place, though? The Pac-4 can expand and will probably still be a Power Five Conference and will still retain an automatic berth in the 12-team playoff. The eight leaving teams are leaving about $420 million on the table, around $105 million per team. That can keep Oregon State afloat for the seven years, when the Big 10 and Big 12 contracts run out. Hopefully, Oregon State just kills it without Oregon, USC, and Washington gumming up the works. Hell, Oregon State can win the next seven Pac-4+ championships in football, basketball, and baseball. Invite us in seven years. Don't. We won't care at that point. Things can still work out great. Oregon is pennywise and dollar foolish. Push 'em out the door. Get out. We'll keep the money. But keep the rivalry alive. Tradition is more important than a couple of shiny nickels anyway. I like the first part of your post, not the second. Tradition means squat. That’s what USC, UCLA, UW, and Oregon decided. There’s an article in the Seattle Times that says, though the Apple Cup rivalry is in jeopardy, they keep their true rivalry going with Oregon. Fans see it that way; let them suck each other off. We don’t need them. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2023 21:39:39 GMT -8
Who takes the Pac-12's place, though? The Pac-4 can expand and will probably still be a Power Five Conference and will still retain an automatic berth in the 12-team playoff. The eight leaving teams are leaving about $420 million on the table, around $105 million per team. That can keep Oregon State afloat for the seven years, when the Big 10 and Big 12 contracts run out. Hopefully, Oregon State just kills it without Oregon, USC, and Washington gumming up the works. Hell, Oregon State can win the next seven Pac-4+ championships in football, basketball, and baseball. Invite us in seven years. Don't. We won't care at that point. Things can still work out great. Oregon is pennywise and dollar foolish. Push 'em out the door. Get out. We'll keep the money. But keep the rivalry alive. Tradition is more important than a couple of shiny nickels anyway. I like the first part of your post, not the second. Tradition means squat. That’s what USC, UCLA, UW, and Oregon decided. There’s an article in the Seattle Times that says, though the Apple Cup rivalry is in jeopardy, they keep their true rivalry going with Oregon. Fans see it that way; let them suck each other off. We don’t need them. לִפְנֵי־שֶׁ֥בֶר גָּא֑וֹן וְלִפְנֵ֥י כִ֝שָּׁל֗וֹן גֹּ֣בַהּ רֽוּחַ׃ "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall."--Proverbs 16:18. Oregon State needs Oregon more than Oregon needs Oregon State. They are the yin to our yang. The darkness to our light. Rivalry is what makes sports sports and what makes sports teams money. And I am concerned that Oregon State is going to desperately need money soon. If Oregon does not want to play Oregon State, that is one thing. But Oregon State is bigger than Oregon. Oregon State extends the olive branch and lets Oregon be the a-holes or not. If nothing else, we can use it as a publicity stunt to make Oregon look worse than they already look. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 5, 2023 22:14:50 GMT -8
All I know is that the Civil War will be played one more time for sure.
So let's all call it the Civil War. Not the Rivalry Game or the Platypus Cup or whatever.
Play the Civil War this fall and then hopefully never again.
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Post by beaverdave on Aug 5, 2023 22:22:26 GMT -8
Lifetime boycott all 8 schools who killed the PAC. Then the dumb ducks can’t claim we just do t want to play them.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 5, 2023 22:47:02 GMT -8
Why is petty spite and futile "revenge" profitable? Oregon State can take the high road and survive or Costanza out and self destruct into irrelevance. You do not hurt anybody by removing Oregon State from their lives.
Schedule the a-holes. Crush them on the field. True revenge is on the scoreboard, not in an impotent show of pride.
Go out there and use this, though.
You can work to make Oregon State better. You can work to make Oregon State feared.
But you don't do that by hiding from everyone like a bunch of scared worms.
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Post by grayman on Aug 5, 2023 23:01:02 GMT -8
Why is petty spite and futile "revenge" profitable? Oregon State can take the high road and survive or Costanza out and self destruct into irrelevance. You do not hurt anybody by removing Oregon State from their lives. Schedule the a-holes. Crush them on the field. True revenge is on the scoreboard, not in an impotent show of pride. Go out there and use this, though. You can work to make Oregon State better. You can work to make Oregon State feared. But you don't do that by hiding from everyone like a bunch of scared worms. I don't think anyone is suggesting that OSU should hide like a bunch of scared worms. I don't think anyone is scared of playing Oregon. It's the principle. And there's no real benefit in playing the game moving forward because it's unlikely that Oregon will agree to something better than like a three home games to play one in Reser deal, if that. The only good thing for OSU would be the minimal travel cost. |
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