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Post by ricke71 on Jul 9, 2023 9:22:23 GMT -8
D-1 BB article today (by someone named Shooter Hunt) just ranked OSU as the 6th "riskiest" program in terms of recruit losses to the draft (Vandy was #1):
"Caraway and Wilson have no chance of showing up on campus. That leaves the likes of DeCremer, Segura, and Lais, and even 6-foot-6 Colorado right-hander, Laif Palmer, to carry the load as power-arms that make it to Corvallis. DeCremer is the most “right-now” out-getter at the collegiate level with tons of moxie and ability to grab swings and misses. Segura and Lais have weekend-starter upside along with the long-limbed Palmer. Losing Caraway and Wilson will hurt, but the Beavs should see the rest of this class under the tutelage of Coach Mitch Canham and Co."
The same article predicts that all 4 of the highest ranked recruits (ranked #7 thru #124) for the Eugene school will sign with MLB organizations.
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 9, 2023 9:52:21 GMT -8
There really isn't any "fallacy" in the going back to school statement. No one says a player has to. Nor, attend a 4-year or get a "degree". It's a life choice, just like signing is. They will have ample time and money to go back... CC/JC, 4 year, Voc, online, etc. Many careers they choose will require some specific training/ schooling. Not often thought of as returning to an educational setting. But, I'd wager most former players returned to an educational setting. Return to school doesn't mean one has to get a degree. I'd also challenge any statistic that says HS signees don't go back to school. There simply is no way to connect and track each and every player the rest of their life. Not sure how the NCAA could possibly track kids never in college, then follow them after their playing career to see if they go into higher ed?! Hmmmm... maybe that's what their issue is in running college sports? They spend all their time tracking HS baseball players who signed to see if they went back to school(s) and got a degree?! As for finishing a degree or graduating when a player signs out of college. Well, there is no way to ever tell. It's why a school's retention rate is misleading. Students leaving aren't "tracked" as where or if they continue their education. A player can go to any other school... in person, online, etc. Those who leave early often have plenty of schooling to get their foot in the door in many business settings. A player doesn't have to have a sheep skin to succeed after baseball. But there is simply no way to accurately track if they do unless it's at their original university. I guess one could pull up the personal history of every kid ever drafted out of college and then somehow see if they went back to school. Got a degree?? School is more expensive... if going FT. If doing R&B. But, slot money is bigger too. And, let's not forget, 6 figures+ is life changing for many families, let alone the signed player. I'll also add, something rarely mentioned but a very real consideration... some kids aren't "built" for college. Some struggle academically, just not into more schooling. Signing for 6 figures+ is an easy choice versus more classes. Just as kids who can sign with their dream school and have higher education as one of their goals won't sign unless the # is truly amazing. …Or the NCAA could just send a survey asking whether they went back and got their degree, or ever planned to. It would not take a whole lot of effort to get a statistically significant sample size and some pretty reliable results. I guess you could “challenge any statistic that says HS signees don't go back to school” all you want. Knock yourself out, but it’s not like it would take a team of scientists, doing database forensics at hundreds of colleges and trade schools, for every player over the course of their entire lives, to get this data. LOL... "scientists" and surveys... unique attempt at ?? Are "scientists" required for such a survey? So, you're saying the NCAA has the the time and personnel to list EVERY college baseball player into a separate data base to then track which ones were drafted, plus those who signed FA contracts, and follow up with their extended education/degree status... over extended time periods?? Then, also create a data base on all players who have never played college ball that have been drafted and signed FA contracts to then again track their college aspirations over time?? Really?? And, how would a survey even attempt to be accurate over time as many (including the tiny fraction given/returning such a "survey") people do change courses in life? "Scientist"  , I'm not sure those in Descriptive Research call themselves "scientists", but... I can give you a brief personal "survey" from a current "non-scientist" of players I know, drafted out of college and HS. And, and many go back to school. Some do vocational certificates, professional licensures, AA degrees, and even complete 4-years degrees. And as in hoops and football, some do it many years later. Glad you found your hill, and I'll stick to the view shared. Thx |
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Post by chinmusic on Jul 9, 2023 12:24:26 GMT -8
The statistical data I saw focused on four-year college athletes that turned professional prior to receiving their college degree and the % of those athletes that returned to college to complete their degree.
This study had nothing to do with tracking high school athletes.
I don't recall seeing any mention of Vocational or trade schools, AA degrees or University of Phoenix certificates.
I wish I had saved it, I read it on the old Stanford Bootleg board about 10 years ago. The Bootleg used to publish academic studies (GPA's, grad rates, etc) including the annual list of every school's football team's scholarship GPA which was quite humiliating for most institutions.
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Post by easyheat on Jul 9, 2023 12:33:14 GMT -8
Shooter Hunt is the V.P. of Scouting for Prep Baseball Report. A former phenom and big league player.
Good guy and lives in Portland
Prep Baseball Report has an affiliation with D1 Baseball.
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Post by pabeaver on Jul 9, 2023 14:22:56 GMT -8
…Or the NCAA could just send a survey asking whether they went back and got their degree, or ever planned to. It would not take a whole lot of effort to get a statistically significant sample size and some pretty reliable results. I guess you could “challenge any statistic that says HS signees don't go back to school” all you want. Knock yourself out, but it’s not like it would take a team of scientists, doing database forensics at hundreds of colleges and trade schools, for every player over the course of their entire lives, to get this data. LOL... "scientists" and surveys... unique attempt at ?? Are "scientists" required for such a survey? So, you're saying the NCAA has the the time and personnel to list EVERY college baseball player into a separate data base to then track which ones were drafted, plus those who signed FA contracts, and follow up with their extended education/degree status... over extended time periods?? Then, also create a data base on all players who have never played college ball that have been drafted and signed FA contracts to then again track their college aspirations over time?? Really?? And, how would a survey even attempt to be accurate over time as many (including the tiny fraction given/returning such a "survey") people do change courses in life? "Scientist" , I'm not sure those in Descriptive Research call themselves "scientists", but... I can give you a brief personal "survey" from a current "non-scientist" of players I know, drafted out of college and HS. And, and many go back to school. Some do vocational certificates, professional licensures, AA degrees, and even complete 4-years degrees. And as in hoops and football, some do it many years later. Glad you found your hill, and I'll stick to the view shared. Thx You either misread my post or are completely off your rocker. Let me say it even simpler: Surveying a statistically significant sample size of players drafted, as to whether they went back to school, would take very little effort. Companies do surveys all of the time. The results would be very believable. |
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Post by rgeorge on Jul 9, 2023 16:16:48 GMT -8
LOL... "scientists" and surveys... unique attempt at ?? Are "scientists" required for such a survey? So, you're saying the NCAA has the the time and personnel to list EVERY college baseball player into a separate data base to then track which ones were drafted, plus those who signed FA contracts, and follow up with their extended education/degree status... over extended time periods?? Then, also create a data base on all players who have never played college ball that have been drafted and signed FA contracts to then again track their college aspirations over time?? Really?? And, how would a survey even attempt to be accurate over time as many (including the tiny fraction given/returning such a "survey") people do change courses in life? "Scientist" , I'm not sure those in Descriptive Research call themselves "scientists", but... I can give you a brief personal "survey" from a current "non-scientist" of players I know, drafted out of college and HS. And, and many go back to school. Some do vocational certificates, professional licensures, AA degrees, and even complete 4-years degrees. And as in hoops and football, some do it many years later. Glad you found your hill, and I'll stick to the view shared. Thx You either misread my post or are completely off your rocker. Let me say it even simpler: Surveying a statistically significant sample size of players drafted, as to whether they went back to school, would take very believable "effort. Companies do surveys all of the time. The results would be very believable. I read your idea... of what an "believable" survey would be. To you at least. Simplified... and touching on just the very basics: - a single survey would not be accurate except for that very point in time in the select few players chosen. That's accurate? Believable? Ok... you do you. It'd have to be multiple surveys over the course of a significant part of a player's life. Again, I've had players finish degrees, return for more schooling at 40 years old... and later; - the NCAA can't ensure their current policies are followed. They neither have the man power, resources, or really any need for said work to be done. Pretty easy concept to grasp, but then again I'm not trying to convince you, so no need to reply. |
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Post by pabeaver on Jul 9, 2023 19:05:58 GMT -8
You either misread my post or are completely off your rocker. Let me say it even simpler: Surveying a statistically significant sample size of players drafted, as to whether they went back to school, would take very believable "effort. Companies do surveys all of the time. The results would be very believable. I read your idea... of what an "believable" survey would be. To you at least. Simplified... and touching on just the very basics: - a single survey would not be accurate except for that very point in time in the select few players chosen. That's accurate? Believable? Ok... you do you. It'd have to be multiple surveys over the course of a significant part of a player's life. Again, I've had players finish degrees, return for more schooling at 40 years old... and later; - the NCAA can't ensure their current policies are followed. They neither have the man power, resources, or really any need for said work to be done. Pretty easy concept to grasp, but then again I'm not trying to convince you, so no need to reply. “There simply is no way to connect and track each and every player the rest of their life. Not sure how the NCAA could possibly track kids never in college, then follow them after their playing career to see if they go into higher ed?! Hmmmm... “ Hey just trying to give you a simple way to accomplish such a venture as to what was quoted regarding the NCAA study. I’m not familiar with how they did it but I’m pretty sure they didn’t track every player and they frankly don’t need to. They could have done surveys at various # of years out from the players’s drafts. They could have done multiple surveys. It’s really not that hard. But if you want to continue believing that the NCAA could never accomplish such a simple feat, feel free. I really don’t care. For clarification, on my earlier post, it should have said “…would take very little effort”. Not sure how the word believable got in there twice. Stupid smartphones |
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Post by beavs6 on Jul 10, 2023 9:25:07 GMT -8
Shooter Hunt is the V.P. of Scouting for Prep Baseball Report. A former phenom and big league player. Good guy and lives in Portland Prep Baseball Report has an affiliation with D1 Baseball. Shooter may very well be a GREAT guy. Right now it looks like he may be wring in regards to Caraway and Wilson. Here's to hoping he IS wrong!  |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 10, 2023 12:55:01 GMT -8
Shooter Hunt is the V.P. of Scouting for Prep Baseball Report. A former phenom and big league player. Good guy and lives in Portland Prep Baseball Report has an affiliation with D1 Baseball.  |
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