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Post by avidbeaver on Jun 11, 2023 20:20:56 GMT -8
Wow!!!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 11, 2023 20:23:29 GMT -8
Quinn Mathews threw a complete game. He gave up three runs on eight hits and one walk. I like him better, when he is throwing against Texas. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 11, 2023 20:24:43 GMT -8
He was a helluva pitcher, that Quinn. We'll miss him. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 11, 2023 20:25:27 GMT -8
Quinn Mathews threw a complete game. He gave up three runs on eight hits and one walk. I like him better, when he is throwing against Texas. You didn't mention his 16 strikeouts. Impressive. |
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Post by obf on Jun 12, 2023 7:41:52 GMT -8
While I advocate for player health and not over using players, especially young pitchers... I sure wish human brains didn't have such an affinity for counting stats and large round numbers.
Granted 156 is probably, maybe, definitely too many? Either way it is a game that young man will probably never forget or regret. It will be a treasured memory.
Of course the blade cuts both ways. Our human brains are also nostalgic and completionist. Mathews will partially remember this game because he completed it, when in actuality 7.2 or 8.1 is practically as impressive as 9.0
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 12, 2023 9:01:10 GMT -8
I remember BR Cook throwing 170+ in a game at Goss.
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 12, 2023 9:45:05 GMT -8
Tommy John, anyone? Our freshman ace Abel comes to mind - but here again, not sure he would go back and change anything. It helped us win the CWS
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 12, 2023 15:56:45 GMT -8
Kevin Abel threw 152 pitches on two consecutive days on three days' rest after throwing 95 pitches. 247 pitches on three days' rest!
Jonah Nickerson threw 109 pitches on two days' rest after throwing 114 pitches. Nickerson then turned around and threw another 100 pitches on three days' rest, 323 pitches on five days' rest!
Anyone throwing stones needs to get out of this glass house.
Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches as a 27-year-old in one game! And he immediately caught fire or something.
This conversation is stupid.
Some pitchers can pitch until their arm falls off. And other pitchers' arms just fall off. Until there is some study on why this was not good for Quinn Mathews' specific arm, everyone else can STFU.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 12, 2023 16:42:47 GMT -8
Tommy John, anyone? Our freshman ace Abel comes to mind - but here again, not sure he would go back and change anything. It helped us win the CWS Not caused by one over use event. It's a long term deterioration. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 12, 2023 17:50:14 GMT -8
Tommy John, anyone? Our freshman ace Abel comes to mind - but here again, not sure he would go back and change anything. It helped us win the CWS Not caused by one over use event. It's a long term deterioration. It’s also very dependent on mechanics. Some guys can throw for days if they have good mechanics. If you throw like Lincecum, it’s going to catch up with you at some point. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 12, 2023 18:10:59 GMT -8
Kevin Abel threw 152 pitches on two consecutive days on three days' rest after throwing 95 pitches. 247 pitches on three days' rest! Jonah Nickerson threw 109 pitches on two days' rest after throwing 114 pitches. Nickerson then turned around and threw another 100 pitches on three days' rest, 323 pitches on five days' rest! Anyone throwing stones needs to get out of this glass house. Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches as a 27-year-old in one game! And he immediately caught fire or something. This conversation is stupid. Some pitchers can pitch until their arm falls off. And other pitchers' arms just fall off. Until there is some study on why this was not good for Quinn Mathews' specific arm, everyone else can STFU.This. I remember all of the criticism of Pat Casey and staff received for allowing Kevin to pitch that many times. And of course, the criticism was from mostly Arkansas boosters and fans. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 12, 2023 21:00:23 GMT -8
Kevin Abel threw 152 pitches on two consecutive days on three days' rest after throwing 95 pitches. 247 pitches on three days' rest! Jonah Nickerson threw 109 pitches on two days' rest after throwing 114 pitches. Nickerson then turned around and threw another 100 pitches on three days' rest, 323 pitches on five days' rest! Anyone throwing stones needs to get out of this glass house. Nolan Ryan threw 235 pitches as a 27-year-old in one game! And he immediately caught fire or something. This conversation is stupid. Some pitchers can pitch until their arm falls off. And other pitchers' arms just fall off. Until there is some study on why this was not good for Quinn Mathews' specific arm, everyone else can STFU.This. I remember all of the criticism of Pat Casey and staff received for allowing Kevin to pitch that many times. And of course, the criticism was from mostly Arkansas boosters and fans. And Dallas Buck maybe? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 12, 2023 21:36:51 GMT -8
This. I remember all of the criticism of Pat Casey and staff received for allowing Kevin to pitch that many times. And of course, the criticism was from mostly Arkansas boosters and fans. And Dallas Buck maybe? Dallas Buck was hurt before the College World Series started. It was one of the reasons why Nickerson had to throw so much. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 13, 2023 7:54:52 GMT -8
If you pitch, you'll probably have Tommy John surgery at some point. Kids pitch year-round with travel ball now, so I agree with whomever it was above that said it's a long-term injury rather than a one-time deal. Every Little League or JBO or whatever all the way through high school has a mandated pitch count. Kids can't throw nearly as many pitches in a day/week as they used to, and yet it seems like the incidence of injury is increasing. My (uneducated) guess is that the travel leagues and private pitching coaches and everything else that kids do year-round now just adds up over time.
Here's a (partial) list of guys who have gone under the knife
Kevin Abel
Joey Mundt
Jace Fry
Drew Rasmussen
Andrew Walling
Will Frisch
Daniel Turpen
Sam Tweedt
Jake Thompson
Josh Osich
Taylor Starr
Not all of those guys had excessive workloads
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Post by obf on Jun 13, 2023 8:10:04 GMT -8
Lots of guys do preventative Tommy John... The idea being a rupture event is more damaging because of all of the ancillary tissues and swelling and such, or throwing on a partially torn UCL is more damaging, then getting the surgery done before an actual injury.
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