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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 28, 2023 18:40:16 GMT -8
Judging by the sites, we had to know before the Pac-12 tournament we weren't going to get a regional. Nobody who is hosting got a big enough boost from their conference tournament to move them from not hosting to hosting. OSU was not even close to hosting, regardless of that happened in Scottsdale, given the criteria the committee used. I read somewhere that 15 of the top 16 RPI teams were selected. RPI #19 was the 'outlier'. Beavs had little (no?) chance to move up that much in the RPI, even with PAC-12 Tourney success. The good news: the selections give me a 'rooting against' interest in half of the Regionals that begin Friday, June 2. Four wins would have moved Oregon State up to about 21. Hopefully, Oregon State gets a good draw. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 28, 2023 18:44:27 GMT -8
I’m believing more and more that Coach Canham is an evil genius.
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Post by ag87 on May 28, 2023 18:45:11 GMT -8
Warren Nolan lists something called ELO (I'm sure it has nothing to do with Jeff Lynne). Does it take into account scores in addition to who wins? Why are western teams nearly always ranked higher in that metric than RPI?
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Post by ricke71 on May 28, 2023 18:50:00 GMT -8
This has a 2016 NCAA Baseball Tournament feel to it. That was the first year that the SEC got seven host spots. Despite seven host spots, only one SEC team made it to Omaha, #1 overall Florida, and that one team went 2&Q. The #2 team in the Pac-12, Arizona, came out of the losers' bracket of the Lafayette Regional and then won the Starkville Super Regional to get to Omaha. There, Arizona was a game away from winning a National Championship but lost two straight games by a run. Will 2023 be the 10th time in the (23) D-1 Baseball Championships held this Century, that a team west of Stillwater Oklahoma claims the crown? (Despite only 1 of 16 hosts in 2023 being west of Stillwater). We can only hope so. |
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Post by cake on May 28, 2023 19:01:14 GMT -8
Warren Nolan lists something called ELO (I'm sure it has nothing to do with Jeff Lynne). Does it take into account scores in addition to who wins? Why are western teams nearly always ranked higher in that metric than RPI? ELO is how they rate chess players. Win, you go up. Depends on who you beat and who beats you, but nothing to do with score. Because ELO is better than RPI. RPI can be gamed, ELO really can't. Edit - we want Bama. |
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Post by 56chevy on May 28, 2023 19:14:22 GMT -8
Keep us out of LSU and hogs territory. Actually a few of these host sites the betting public may favor us to win if placed there.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 28, 2023 19:18:53 GMT -8
Meh......you don't host, you say a lil prayer and just go play ball.....see what happens.
Honestly, I'm not very optimistic based on the tourney. Very interested to see how our pitching responds to getting lit up.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 28, 2023 19:28:21 GMT -8
Auburn Regional - Auburn Baton Rouge Regional - LSU Charlottesville Regional - Virginia Clemson Regional - Clemson Columbia Regional - South Carolina Conway Regional - Coastal Carolina Coral Gables Regional - Miami Fayetteville Regional - Arkansas Gainesville Regional - Florida Lexington Regional - Kentucky Nashville Regional - Vanderbilt Stanford Regional - Stanford Stillwater Regional - Oklahoma State Terre Haute Regional - Indiana State Tuscaloosa Regional - Alabama Winston-Salem Regional - Wake Forest Any Thoughts on where Oregon State wants to go? I am going to say that Oregon State wants to go to Conway. That is where Washington's trip to Omaha in 2018 began. Win there and see where that gets us. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 28, 2023 19:31:52 GMT -8
Meh......you don't host, you say a lil prayer and just go play ball.....see what happens. Honestly, I'm not very optimistic based on the tourney. Very interested to see how our pitching responds to getting lit up. Oregon State pitchers have looked great outside of Arizona. As long as Oregon State does not randomly wind up there in a Super, it's clear sailing.......... |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on May 28, 2023 19:44:48 GMT -8
Warren Nolan lists something called ELO (I'm sure it has nothing to do with Jeff Lynne). Does it take into account scores in addition to who wins? Why are western teams nearly always ranked higher in that metric than RPI? ELO is how they rate chess players. Win, you go up. Depends on who you beat and who beats you, but nothing to do with score. Because ELO is better than RPI. RPI can be gamed, ELO really can't. Edit - we want Bama. ELO has one weakness in common with RPI and that's starting position. If every team starts at the same basis it's pretty sweet. That system is unlikely to ever get buy in from perennial ranked squads because they get no boost for their preseason rankings. Also the media would hate it because rankings wouldn't really matter so they can't jazz people up for ranked matches. The final issue would be the great records from crap conferences. If you go 56-0 but your conference has a terrible OOC record you could easily not be ranked and even lose points for wins. I still like ELO way more but it's unlikely to be adopted and great teams could be dinged. There are easy fixes though like autobids for conference champions (not tourney champions cause that's still dumb). ELO would be great for serious fans and creating a less biased system. It would be terrible for casual fans and media outfits. |
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Post by avidbeaver on May 28, 2023 19:54:17 GMT -8
Meh......you don't host, you say a lil prayer and just go play ball.....see what happens. Honestly, I'm not very optimistic based on the tourney. Very interested to see how our pitching responds to getting lit up. Oregon State pitchers have looked great outside of Arizona. As long as Oregon State does not randomly wind up there in a Super, it's clear sailing.......... Glad you're optimistic versus pessimistic like me. Hope the pitching is good but it has been marginal for most of the year. All of that being said, I hope I can eat my words. |
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Post by rgeorge on May 28, 2023 20:04:31 GMT -8
Auburn Regional - Auburn Baton Rouge Regional - LSU Charlottesville Regional - Virginia Clemson Regional - Clemson Columbia Regional - South Carolina Conway Regional - Coastal Carolina Coral Gables Regional - Miami Fayetteville Regional - Arkansas Gainesville Regional - Florida Lexington Regional - Kentucky Nashville Regional - Vanderbilt Stanford Regional - Stanford Stillwater Regional - Oklahoma State Terre Haute Regional - Indiana State Tuscaloosa Regional - Alabama Winston-Salem Regional - Wake Forest Any Thoughts on where Oregon State wants to go? Half SEC….shocker. Someone told me a short while back that would never happen? Meaning... what 10-11 total in? |
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Post by avidbeaver on May 28, 2023 20:06:16 GMT -8
Oregon State pitchers have looked great outside of Arizona. As long as Oregon State does not randomly wind up there in a Super, it's clear sailing.......... Glad you're optimistic versus pessimistic like me. Hope the pitching is good but it has been marginal for most of the year. All of that being said, I hope I can eat my words. Early in the year it looked good due to who the Beavers were playing. They really didn't play a lot of prolific offenses. Even then you could tell the pitching wasn't up to normal standards of past pitching staffs. They were living on the edge. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 28, 2023 20:07:55 GMT -8
Someone told me a short while back that would never happen? Meaning... what 10-11 total in? It should affirmatively never happen. The idea that I am looking at half SEC is ridiculous. The SEC may have a year like that eventually, but this flatly is not that year. Ridiculous. Anymore than two at larges would be an even bigger slap in the face to the all of the non-SEC teams. There are no more than five teams that should host out of the SEC any given year. Ridiculous. |
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Post by ag87 on May 29, 2023 8:07:50 GMT -8
Warren Nolan lists something called ELO (I'm sure it has nothing to do with Jeff Lynne). Does it take into account scores in addition to who wins? Why are western teams nearly always ranked higher in that metric than RPI? ELO is how they rate chess players. Win, you go up. Depends on who you beat and who beats you, but nothing to do with score. Because ELO is better than RPI. RPI can be gamed, ELO really can't. Edit - we want Bama. Thanks cake (sarcasm) I spent about two hours last night down the rabbit hole reading about ELO and chess. Lol |
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