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Post by spudbeaver on May 24, 2023 18:49:14 GMT -8
We have a brunch of good arms, no elite arms. Our advantage is our pen has more good arms than most others, Seems if that was true we would have been better with a 10 am start! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 24, 2023 20:01:06 GMT -8
It's much worse for the smaller conferences that are typically 1-bid leagues in basketball and baseball. You can dominate your conference, get upset in the tournament and not get to go even though clearly you are the best team from that league. I heard of a mens hoops team that won the conference tourney as an underdog...and made it to the elite 8... Basketball is an entirely different kettle of fish, so I'm OK with a tournament. You only play 18 (or 20) conference games in basketball, not 30 like in baseball. Every basketball game is a one-off, compared to a series in baseball. Every baseball team plays an identical number of games against every other team, there are no skips, like in basketball. By making teams play three games in three days, you test its depth. The regular season proves far more in baseball than it does in basketball. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2023 20:11:03 GMT -8
Six runs. Only four earned, though. Hutch also gave up six runs in the eighth in Phoenix, which turned a 13-5 lead into a 13-11 nail-biter. Hutch's third-worst outing on the year was at Jackie Robinson in the day game. Two runs that turned a 7-3 game into a 7-5 nail-biter. (Oregon State added 14 more in the last three innings to put the game away.) Hutch is a great pitcher, but I am thinking that I want him to rest up as much as possible for the regional. Something about the heat and lack of humidity that makes that sidearm delivery not quite work right. Your definition of "great" is different than mine. This team doesn't have a great pitcher. Some days we have very good pitchers. Some days like today a pitcher is average at best. All of our pitchers wear the orange and black and are great. Get on the Beaver Express or get run over. |
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Post by irimi on May 24, 2023 20:42:17 GMT -8
This got me fired up now....the left on base thing. You have to get guys on base to leave guys on base. Our team batting average is .261. Without getting too far in the weeds, better than 70% of the time we're going to leave a guy or guys on base, if we have guys on base at all. The usual response is that "well, the guys should focus more with runners in scoring position." You know who also focuses more? The pitcher. The fielders. The opposing coaches. It's a wash. I'd love it if someone could find our team batting average with RISP (I tried several websites without luck) and find out if it's markedly different from our overall batting average. My guess is that it's higher than our overall batting average, but I can't guarantee that. To me, it's interesting how quickly we will make excuses or allow poor timely hitting, but we are not willing to give the same grace to the pitchers. Both are key points in the game and players need to be sharp and come through. It has to be methodical if you're going to win a championship. We're not there yet either on offense or defense. We have to be able to shut the door more convincingly and we need to be able to take advantage of situations when they present themselves. Arizona executed. But tomorrow's another day. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2023 21:38:52 GMT -8
This got me fired up now....the left on base thing. You have to get guys on base to leave guys on base. Our team batting average is .261. Without getting too far in the weeds, better than 70% of the time we're going to leave a guy or guys on base, if we have guys on base at all. The usual response is that "well, the guys should focus more with runners in scoring position." You know who also focuses more? The pitcher. The fielders. The opposing coaches. It's a wash. I'd love it if someone could find our team batting average with RISP (I tried several websites without luck) and find out if it's markedly different from our overall batting average. My guess is that it's higher than our overall batting average, but I can't guarantee that. It's unreal that anyone is talking about runners in scoring position, when Oregon State went 7 for 21 (.333) with runners in scoring position. Unreal! CBS had a great write-up awhile ago about why RISP batting average is a myth. As far as Oregon State's runners with scoring position, I would hazard to guess that it is harder to bring runners home than it is to put runners in scoring position for one simple yet obvious reason. And that is putting a runner in scoring position often chases the pitcher on the mound. And it is usually much harder to get a base hit against a new pitcher than it is to continue to pound the guy that is gassed. And if you look at this game, Oregon State went 1 for 5 with runners in scoring position against new pitchers. Oregon State went 6 for 16 (.375) with runners in scoring position when the pitcher stays in. On top of all of that, batting average is a stupid statistic that is usually bandied about by stupid people, who don't know what in the hell they are talking about. |
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Post by nabeav on May 25, 2023 6:57:36 GMT -8
Hahaha you can’t use batting average twice in your defense of the team’s performance and then call it a “stupid statistic.” It may not be the best indicator of run production, but being able to hit the ball where the fielders can’t catch it is still a useful skill.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 25, 2023 23:10:07 GMT -8
Hahaha you can’t use batting average twice in your defense of the team’s performance and then call it a “stupid statistic.” It may not be the best indicator of run production, but being able to hit the ball where the fielders can’t catch it is still a useful skill. I was trying to focus on the specific and drift out to a more 30,000 foot analysis. Ignore the first half of the post or the last. I gave people enough to fixate on good and bad. In law, you go to statutory authority and, failing that, to case law. When talking about baseball, we usually go to Bull Durham and, failing that, to Major League. But the answer is in Bull Durham: Batting average is barely statistically significant for the reasons stated above. You can turn batting average with other data to form data that is statistically significant. However, the biggest component of batting average, BABIP tends to even out over time for everyone. One hit or lack thereof every six or seven games is the difference between a "mediocre" hitter and a "great" hitter. There are much better ways to try and evaluate what I believe that everyone is trying to get at. In any instance, to pull back to 30,000 feet again, I thought that I was agreeing with you, so this is all very surreal. |
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Post by nabeav on May 26, 2023 7:35:18 GMT -8
All good man, I just thought it was funny was all. I knew what you were getting at.
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Post by irimi on May 26, 2023 12:35:21 GMT -8
This got me fired up now....the left on base thing. You have to get guys on base to leave guys on base. Our team batting average is .261. Without getting too far in the weeds, better than 70% of the time we're going to leave a guy or guys on base, if we have guys on base at all. The usual response is that "well, the guys should focus more with runners in scoring position." You know who also focuses more? The pitcher. The fielders. The opposing coaches. It's a wash. I'd love it if someone could find our team batting average with RISP (I tried several websites without luck) and find out if it's markedly different from our overall batting average. My guess is that it's higher than our overall batting average, but I can't guarantee that. It's unreal that anyone is talking about runners in scoring position, when Oregon State went 7 for 21 (.333) with runners in scoring position. Unreal! CBS had a great write-up awhile ago about why RISP batting average is a myth. As far as Oregon State's runners with scoring position, I would hazard to guess that it is harder to bring runners home than it is to put runners in scoring position for one simple yet obvious reason. And that is putting a runner in scoring position often chases the pitcher on the mound. And it is usually much harder to get a base hit against a new pitcher than it is to continue to pound the guy that is gassed. And if you look at this game, Oregon State went 1 for 5 with runners in scoring position against new pitchers. Oregon State went 6 for 16 (.375) with runners in scoring position when the pitcher stays in. On top of all of that, batting average is a stupid statistic that is usually bandied about by stupid people, who don't know what in the hell they are talking about. I think it's because it's so noticeable. You've got the runners right there, dammit, bring them home! It's extremely frustrating when a batter strikes out with RISP, more than any other time of the game. Similarly, when a pitcher walks a batter or gives up a key hit, it's also very frustrating. But we jump up and say, pull him out or hang the loss on him. It's unfortunate to see that. Both sides of the game had opportunities to win the game and both sides failed, so we lost. Arizona, bent, but fought back, and managed to take advantage when they could. Rough way to lose, but it was a fun game. |
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