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Post by nabeav on May 24, 2023 15:12:17 GMT -8
This got me fired up now....the left on base thing. You have to get guys on base to leave guys on base. Our team batting average is .261. Without getting too far in the weeds, better than 70% of the time we're going to leave a guy or guys on base, if we have guys on base at all.
The usual response is that "well, the guys should focus more with runners in scoring position." You know who also focuses more? The pitcher. The fielders. The opposing coaches. It's a wash. I'd love it if someone could find our team batting average with RISP (I tried several websites without luck) and find out if it's markedly different from our overall batting average. My guess is that it's higher than our overall batting average, but I can't guarantee that.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 24, 2023 15:12:42 GMT -8
It's ridiculous to say that the pitching staff cost us this game. Nope. Arizona didn't win because of a superior pitching staff. They won because they scored one more run than we did. That's all. If there is ever a time that I want a coach to not look at the game directly ahead of him, it is now. Play for the regionals. Screw this Arizona crap. I mean they did give up 13 runs, and 20 hits......so I don't think they really helped |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 24, 2023 15:17:36 GMT -8
Leaving 7 on base the last 3 frames is a hitting problem. That pitcher at the end for Zona had a .327 BA against number. Well....we did also bring 4 runs home in those last 3 frames. Can't bring everyone in all the time. Get a lot of guys on, you're going to leave a lot of guys on. Exactly ....it's not like we only scored a few runs and left a pile on base......12 should always be more than enough. It wasn't.....they had 6 runs in the 7th I think? You ain't winning many games giving up 6 runs in an inning. |
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Post by blodgettbeaver on May 24, 2023 15:22:53 GMT -8
Top 9th 1st and 3rd no outs. Why not bunt McDowell?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2023 15:28:56 GMT -8
Top 9th 1st and 3rd no outs. Why not bunt McDowell? Why not double steal? |
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Post by messi on May 24, 2023 15:30:03 GMT -8
Top 9th 1st and 3rd no outs. Why not bunt McDowell? One run wasn’t going to be enough of a lead going into the bottom of the inning. |
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2023 15:37:18 GMT -8
Top 9th 1st and 3rd no outs. Why not bunt McDowell? Because he's your #3 hitter....you shouldn't need to. McDowell at least made contact. Can't have Guerra and Kane K in that situation. Also, what if McDowell pops the bunt off and it leads to a double-play? It's not automatic that you score on a squeeze either. |
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Post by nabeav on May 24, 2023 15:56:33 GMT -8
Top 9th 1st and 3rd no outs. Why not bunt McDowell? Because he's your #3 hitter....you shouldn't need to. McDowell at least made contact. Can't have Guerra and Kane K in that situation. Also, what if McDowell pops the bunt off and it leads to a double-play? It's not automatic that you score on a squeeze either. This 1000%. Fans love to act like it's a foregone conclusion that the thing our coaches decided not to do was going to work. If you try the bunt and he pops it up, it's "oh my god he's our 3 hitter and has been clutch all year! Why take the bat out of his hands with zero outs?" We all love to sit at home and ask why the guy that gets paid to make the decisions, has more data at his fingertips than any of us, has spent the majority of his life on a baseball field or in a dugout, and knows the players better than anyone didn't do the thing we thought they should do. If it was that easy, we'd all be college baseball coaches too. And to be clear, I don't have a problem with people posting these things on a message board. It's good to share your frustrations.....I just hate it when it turns into "we need to fire this guy, he's a moron" or "He didn't manage to win the game" or stuff like that. Going for the squeeze there would be a fine decision too, but just because what happened didn't work out doesn't make it the wrong decision. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2023 16:10:57 GMT -8
Because he's your #3 hitter....you shouldn't need to. McDowell at least made contact. Can't have Guerra and Kane K in that situation. Also, what if McDowell pops the bunt off and it leads to a double-play? It's not automatic that you score on a squeeze either. This 1000%. Fans love to act like it's a foregone conclusion that the thing our coaches decided not to do was going to work. If you try the bunt and he pops it up, it's "oh my god he's our 3 hitter and has been clutch all year! Why take the bat out of his hands with zero outs?" We all love to sit at home and ask why the guy that gets paid to make the decisions, has more data at his fingertips than any of us, has spent the majority of his life on a baseball field or in a dugout, and knows the players better than anyone didn't do the thing we thought they should do. If it was that easy, we'd all be college baseball coaches too. And to be clear, I don't have a problem with people posting these things on a message board. It's good to share your frustrations.....I just hate it when it turns into "we need to fire this guy, he's a moron" or "He didn't manage to win the game" or stuff like that. Going for the squeeze there would be a fine decision too, but just because what happened didn't work out doesn't make it the wrong decision. This reminds me of the one play that is almost never talked about on here, and that is the sixth inning of game two against Arkansas in the 2018 Championship Series. 3-2 Arkansas. Gretler reached on an error by Casey Martin, and Malone singled right up the middle to move Gretler over to third. Runners on the corners with zero outs. Casey subs Anderson (a better bunter) in for Nobach basically telegraphing what he is about to do. After taking a borderline pitch on the outer half, Anderson's bunt does not quite get down fast enough (it looked like it was going to be below the knees for a ball), Ramage snags it out of the air, and Ramage throws Gretler out at third. Taylor then ended the threat by hitting a sharply hit ball to Martin, who did not throw it away in his second try. What could have been an amazing inning instead ends with zero runs and a 3-2 deficit that would hold up until the ninth. Let Nobach swing there. He has pretty good power and has been clutch for most of the College World Series. I really like letting McDowell try and create something there. It didn't work out. It's baseball. It happens. |
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Post by ricke71 on May 24, 2023 16:24:32 GMT -8
It's ridiculous to say that the pitching staff cost us this game. Nope. Arizona didn't win because of a superior pitching staff. They won because they scored one more run than we did. That's all. If there is ever a time that I want a coach to not look at the game directly ahead of him, it is now. Play for the regionals. Screw this Arizona crap. Pitching. Of the 4 OSU pitchers today not named "Lattery", their WHIP in the 7 innings they pitched was 3.14. That's about triple a quality WHIP. 20 hits in those 7 innings. It would be an very rare day for that to result in a victory. |
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Post by irimi on May 24, 2023 16:46:25 GMT -8
It's ridiculous to say that the pitching staff cost us this game. Nope. Arizona didn't win because of a superior pitching staff. They won because they scored one more run than we did. That's all. If there is ever a time that I want a coach to not look at the game directly ahead of him, it is now. Play for the regionals. Screw this Arizona crap. Pitching. Of the 4 OSU pitchers today not named "Lattery", their WHIP in the 7 innings they pitched was 3.14. That's about triple a quality WHIP. 20 hits in those 7 innings. It would be an very rare day for that to result in a victory. It was really one pitcher who got eaten up for 5 runs in 2/3 of an inning that inflates that number. Remove the freshman Hutch from the stats and you have a different story. Granted, it's an unusual story for Beaver pitching, but it was enough. And Hutch is usually a very good pitcher. Just Arizona got us today and kept the pressure on. I still think you don't win very many games with your top 3 hitters going 4 for 15 with a lonely 1 RBI. Forrester going 0 for 5 with a single walk was very painful. Heavy lifting was done in the middle of the lineup. 10 of the runs were knocked in by these guys. So just think....If the top of the lineup can get jump started again and with the mid to lower end of the lineup hitting, we have a chance to do a lot of damage. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2023 17:15:24 GMT -8
It's ridiculous to say that the pitching staff cost us this game. Nope. Arizona didn't win because of a superior pitching staff. They won because they scored one more run than we did. That's all. If there is ever a time that I want a coach to not look at the game directly ahead of him, it is now. Play for the regionals. Screw this Arizona crap. Pitching. Of the 4 OSU pitchers today not named "Lattery", their WHIP in the 7 innings they pitched was 3.14. That's about triple a quality WHIP. 20 hits in those 7 innings. It would be an very rare day for that to result in a victory. Without looking, can you tell me the other team that had twenty hits on Oregon State? Portland in the 14-8 Pilot win. Those two are the most hits allowed since that UCLA debacle in last year's Tournament. And those are the only three times in the past 15 years that an Oregon State opponent has logged 20+ hits. The time before that was Loyola Marymount back in 2008 in a 13-3 Loyola Marymount win in San Diego. The time before that? The famous (infamous?) 20-13 Portland win over Oregon State. That was the last time before this year that Portland beat Oregon State at Goss. Went on to win a National Championship. Those are the last five instances, though. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2023 17:24:16 GMT -8
Pitching. Of the 4 OSU pitchers today not named "Lattery", their WHIP in the 7 innings they pitched was 3.14. That's about triple a quality WHIP. 20 hits in those 7 innings. It would be an very rare day for that to result in a victory. It was really one pitcher who got eaten up for 5 runs in 2/3 of an inning that inflates that number. Remove the freshman Hutch from the stats and you have a different story. Granted, it's an unusual story for Beaver pitching, but it was enough. And Hutch is usually a very good pitcher. Just Arizona got us today and kept the pressure on. I still think you don't win very many games with your top 3 hitters going 4 for 15 with a lonely 1 RBI. Forrester going 0 for 5 with a single walk was very painful. Heavy lifting was done in the middle of the lineup. 10 of the runs were knocked in by these guys. So just think....If the top of the lineup can get jump started again and with the mid to lower end of the lineup hitting, we have a chance to do a lot of damage. Six runs. Only four earned, though. Hutch also gave up six runs in the eighth in Phoenix, which turned a 13-5 lead into a 13-11 nail-biter. Hutch's third-worst outing on the year was at Jackie Robinson in the day game. Two runs that turned a 7-3 game into a 7-5 nail-biter. (Oregon State added 14 more in the last three innings to put the game away.) Hutch is a great pitcher, but I am thinking that I want him to rest up as much as possible for the regional. Something about the heat and lack of humidity that makes that sidearm delivery not quite work right. |
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Post by alwaysorange on May 24, 2023 17:55:49 GMT -8
It was really one pitcher who got eaten up for 5 runs in 2/3 of an inning that inflates that number. Remove the freshman Hutch from the stats and you have a different story. Granted, it's an unusual story for Beaver pitching, but it was enough. And Hutch is usually a very good pitcher. Just Arizona got us today and kept the pressure on. I still think you don't win very many games with your top 3 hitters going 4 for 15 with a lonely 1 RBI. Forrester going 0 for 5 with a single walk was very painful. Heavy lifting was done in the middle of the lineup. 10 of the runs were knocked in by these guys. So just think....If the top of the lineup can get jump started again and with the mid to lower end of the lineup hitting, we have a chance to do a lot of damage. Six runs. Only four earned, though. Hutch also gave up six runs in the eighth in Phoenix, which turned a 13-5 lead into a 13-11 nail-biter. Hutch's third-worst outing on the year was at Jackie Robinson in the day game. Two runs that turned a 7-3 game into a 7-5 nail-biter. (Oregon State added 14 more in the last three innings to put the game away.) Hutch is a great pitcher, but I am thinking that I want him to rest up as much as possible for the regional. Something about the heat and lack of humidity that makes that sidearm delivery not quite work right. Your definition of "great" is different than mine. This team doesn't have a great pitcher. Some days we have very good pitchers. Some days like today a pitcher is average at best. |
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Post by abureid on May 24, 2023 18:47:39 GMT -8
We have a brunch of good arms, no elite arms. Our advantage is our pen has more good arms than most others,
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