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Post by beavs6 on May 7, 2023 16:56:59 GMT -8
“Rain out”
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 7, 2023 17:11:11 GMT -8
Oregon State played three against woeful Coppin State (8th in the Northeast Conference, four games out of 7th); one against a atrocious Minnesota (10th in the Big Ten, two games out of 8th); two against a very bad Nevada (in the Mountain West cellar), including a loss; two against an almost as bad New Mexico (in 5th in the Mountain West, two games out of 4th), including a loss; and four against extremely mediocre Cal Poly (8th in the Big West), including a loss.
Which is why scheduling is always a crapshoot. Minnesota is generally very competitive, even though it has struggled since making the 2018 supers. So are Nevada, Cal Poly and UNM.
For our RPI, it sucks they all picked a bad year to have a bad season.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 7, 2023 17:23:26 GMT -8
I wasn’t talking to you…… |
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Post by elwood on May 7, 2023 18:06:44 GMT -8
I seem to remember a few ranked teams last year in other conferences canceling their final non conference series to protect their RPI.
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Post by beavs6 on May 7, 2023 18:09:22 GMT -8
I wasn’t talking to you…… Ooooooooo  |
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Post by beav74 on May 7, 2023 18:25:32 GMT -8
Heard rumors Beavs we’re thinking that same thing.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 7, 2023 19:02:27 GMT -8
I wasn’t talking to you……   |
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Post by irimi on May 7, 2023 19:22:26 GMT -8
We just have to take care of business onegame at a time. Sure RPI matters, but we’re we to have half as many losses as we do right now, we’d be hosting for sure.
But remember where they placed us at the beginning of the year. I think we’ve had a good year and we’re set to make a strong run next year. It took the team a long time to find its identity and to believe in itself. The chemistry wasn’t there from the beginning. I think we’re strong enough now to ruin some dreams for other teams but we’ll need a lot of luck to make it to Omaha. I wouldn’t bet against it though. Stranger things have happened.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 7, 2023 19:27:36 GMT -8
Oregon State played three against woeful Coppin State (8th in the Northeast Conference, four games out of 7th); one against a atrocious Minnesota (10th in the Big Ten, two games out of 8th); two against a very bad Nevada (in the Mountain West cellar), including a loss; two against an almost as bad New Mexico (in 5th in the Mountain West, two games out of 4th), including a loss; and four against extremely mediocre Cal Poly (8th in the Big West), including a loss.Which is why scheduling is always a crapshoot. Minnesota is generally very competitive, even though it has struggled since making the 2018 supers. So are Nevada, Cal Poly and UNM. For our RPI, it sucks they all picked a bad year to have a bad season. Minnesota was worse the last two years. Thinking that they were going to magically turn it around was stupid. New Mexico was awful the last two years. They actually overachieved this year. Cal Poly and Nevada are down this year, which sucks, because Oregon State really needed them to buoy Coppin State, Minnesota, and New Mexico. Cal Poly is the one that really needed to come through. The four-game series makes Cal Poly the team that Oregon State is most tied to for RPI. Cal Poly is guaranteed its worst season since at least 2010 and would need to finish 8-2 to get to that point. If Cal Poly had a winning record at this point (which they did the last two years), Oregon State would have an RPI of about 25. Instead, more than 1/24 of Oregon State's RPI is Cal Poly's wretched 15-30 record (actually 14-27, because RPI filters out primary results). The problem with this schedule, though, was that there was no margin for error, if say Cal Poly randomly goes 15-30. Oregon State had a top 50 nonconference schedule in 2021 and 2022 and a just wretched 265 this year. Very jarring. Having said all of that Cal Poly has a great opportunity to jump way up in RPI with games against Fresno, Utah, Santa Barbara, and Fullerton remaining. |
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Post by ag87 on May 7, 2023 20:00:16 GMT -8
I think it was you Wilky, who said in a post a page ago that Illinois and OSU should reschedule opponents. Illinois (RPI 88) plays Tennessee-Martin (RPI 253). Oregon State (RPI 31) plays Western Carolina (RPI 190). If the coaches and AD's agreed, Western Carolina could travel to Corvallis to play Tennessee-Martin and a newly scheduled OSU/Illinois series could be played in Champaign or maybe Carbondale (who wouldn't want to play in a place called Itchy Jones Stadium?).
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 7, 2023 20:18:43 GMT -8
Oregon State played three against woeful Coppin State (8th in the Northeast Conference, four games out of 7th); one against a atrocious Minnesota (10th in the Big Ten, two games out of 8th); two against a very bad Nevada (in the Mountain West cellar), including a loss; two against an almost as bad New Mexico (in 5th in the Mountain West, two games out of 4th), including a loss; and four against extremely mediocre Cal Poly (8th in the Big West), including a loss.Which is why scheduling is always a crapshoot. Minnesota is generally very competitive, even though it has struggled since making the 2018 supers. So are Nevada, Cal Poly and UNM. For our RPI, it sucks they all picked a bad year to have a bad season. Minnesota was worse the last two years. Thinking that they were going to magically turn it around was stupid. New Mexico was awful the last two years. They actually overachieved this year. Cal Poly and Nevada are down this year, which sucks, because Oregon State really needed them to buoy Coppin State, Minnesota, and New Mexico. Cal Poly is the one that really needed to come through. The four-game series makes Cal Poly the team that Oregon State is most tied to for RPI. Cal Poly is guaranteed its worst season since at least 2010 and would need to finish 8-2 to get to that point. If Cal Poly had a winning record at this point (which they did the last two years), Oregon State would have an RPI of about 25. Instead, more than 1/24 of Oregon State's RPI is Cal Poly's wretched 15-30 record (actually 14-27, because RPI filters out primary results). The problem with this schedule, though, was that there was no margin for error, if say Cal Poly randomly goes 15-30. Oregon State had a top 50 nonconference schedule in 2021 and 2022 and a just wretched 265 this year. Very jarring. Having said all of that Cal Poly has a great opportunity to jump way up in RPI with games against Fresno, Utah, Santa Barbara, and Fullerton remaining. Yeah, as I said. Scheduling is always a crapshoot. No one can guarantee someone who was bad last year will be bad again this year, just as no one can guarantee someone who was good last year will be good again this year. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 7, 2023 20:44:36 GMT -8
The real trouble is that Western Carolina would only be the sixth-worst team that Oregon State has played all year. Oregon State played three against woeful Coppin State (8th in the Northeast Conference, four games out of 7th); one against a atrocious Minnesota (10th in the Big Ten, two games out of 8th); two against a very bad Nevada (in the Mountain West cellar), including a loss; two against an almost as bad New Mexico (in 5th in the Mountain West, two games out of 4th), including a loss; and four against extremely mediocre Cal Poly (8th in the Big West), including a loss. More than a quarter of the schedule has been played against cupcakes. You simply cannot do that and lose three and hope to host without a just phenomenal rest of the season. And that has not happened. The Big West does not have a tournament, but the other four teams listed above are so bad that they would not even qualify for their conference tournaments. The Southern Conference invites all eight members, so Western Carolina will have a chance to help out Oregon State's RPI at the end. The other nonconference teams that Oregon State played are all in line for conference tournament berths. Just an awful nonconference slate this year. Western Carolina is not even the worst of it, which is just sad. Stop bitching about the schedule. The odds of this team making it to Omaha are slim. I expect a lot better results next year. We lost possibly our best hitting OF ever, a solid catcher and a 1st round draft pick ace pitcher. Anyone who thought this team would be better than last year needs a reality check. This is still a very good team that will be competitive in a regional, but we could have played a ridiculously tough NC schedule and still been not in a position to host. And if you say “rain out” one more time when it comes to the Western Carolina series. I’m going to drive down to Arizona and recreate a scene from Breaking Bad. How do you replace Buck, Gillespie, Gipson, Graham, Gunderson, Koller, Kunda, Lissman, McFeely, Nickerson, and Rowe? Oregon State has a history of playing very difficult nonconference schedules, for example the Beavs had top 50 nonconference schedules the last two years. To see this level of scared scheduling is galling, very un-Beaveresque. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 8, 2023 6:33:46 GMT -8
Actually, having watched OSU baseball very closely for the past 30+ years, this schedule is pretty typical. We've played New Mexico, Gonzaga, Portland, Seattle and Nevada fairly consistently. We almost always face a Big Ten team in Surprise. We often play a Big West team like Cal Poly, and a Coppin- State-like cupcake, like Maine, Hartford, Ball State, Northern Illinois, or other cold-weather teams that have played out here in the past.
We didn't play one series against an SEC team, which we've done in the past (Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi State), so that hurts. But otherwise this schedule isn't out of the ordinary; last year our top-50 OOC schedule included UNM (2), Gonzaga (4), Xavier (4), UC Irvine (3), Grand Canyon (2), Seattle, Portland (2), Nevada (2) and Long Beach (3). That's six teams we played again this year, a cold-weather Big East program, and a couple Big West teams that Cal Poly is generally very competitive with, if not flat-out better.
Our OOC opponents just haven't played as well as they have in the past. That hurts our RPI.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on May 8, 2023 7:52:15 GMT -8
Actually, having watched OSU baseball very closely for the past 30+ years, this schedule is pretty typical. We've played New Mexico, Gonzaga, Portland, Seattle and Nevada fairly consistently. We almost always face a Big Ten team in Surprise. We often play a Big West team like Cal Poly, and a Coppin- State-like cupcake, like Maine, Hartford, Ball State, Northern Illinois, or other cold-weather teams that have played out here in the past. We didn't play one series against an SEC team, which we've done in the past (Georgia, Tennessee, Mississippi State), so that hurts. But otherwise this schedule isn't out of the ordinary; last year our top-50 OOC schedule included UNM (2), Gonzaga (4), Xavier (4), UC Irvine (3), Grand Canyon (2), Seattle, Portland (2), Nevada (2) and Long Beach (3). That's six teams we played again this year, a cold-weather Big East program, and a couple Big West teams that Cal Poly is generally very competitive with, if not flat-out better. Our OOC opponents just haven't played as well as they have in the past. That hurts our RPI. It's kind like any D1 sport.....you don't want to have a crazy non conf schedule cuz conf is gonna be a buzzsaw, any given year.....it's why the SEC schedules cupcake non conf games in football. But, yea it's always good when ur non conf competition shows well. The bottom line is our team has had opps to easily be a national seed come post season.....we didn't win the ball games and we've left ourselves with no room for error.....the poor performing non conf opponents is out of our control. |
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Post by jefframp on May 8, 2023 8:48:23 GMT -8
How do you replace Buck, Gillespie, Gipson, Graham, Gunderson, Koller, Kunda, Lissman, McFeely, Nickerson, and Rowe? Oregon State has a history of playing very difficult nonconference schedules, for example the Beavs had top 50 nonconference schedules the last two years. To see this level of scared scheduling is galling, very un-Beaveresque. Lissman played in 2007 if that was the point you are making here. I remember something involving an unauthorized use of a relative's credit card by Lissman and his mom in 2007, if memory serves. |
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