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Post by beaverology on Apr 5, 2023 11:08:26 GMT -8
rgeorge: Have you been asleep for the last 33 years with OSU MBB? The program has sunk deeper and deeper into the depths of 9th place, 10th place, 11th place and 12th place slowly but surely over last 3 decades due to apathy. You'd have a legit point if WT ruined the program, but it was already there when he took over. He gave us 5 winning seasons, a Pac12 title and 2 NCAA tournament berths. Re-connect yourself to reality and stop your nonsense.
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 5, 2023 11:27:59 GMT -8
And... there he/she/they/us/it/them (have to be careful with pronouns these days) is! Never fails, knew it would not take long for the leading enabler/excuse maker to appear. As a former poster would say, "fish on".
I wonder how many people/programs live their lives letting their or others' history determine their future outcomes? My former coach mentor use to call those folks... "victims".
But, since it was mentioned... as far as "ruined the program", in the short term, what has WT done with the momentum of an E8 success? Hmmmm, seems like he has begun his own sinkhole into new, unprecedented depths?! Can't blame the last few decades on that? Or can you??Nonsense indeed...
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Post by beaverology on Apr 5, 2023 11:50:05 GMT -8
And... there he/she/they/us/it/them (have to be careful with pronouns these days) is! Never fails, knew it would not take long for the leading enabler/excuse maker to appear. As a former poster would say, "fish on". I wonder how many people/programs live their lives letting their or others' history determine their future outcomes? My former coach mentor use to call those folks... "victims". But, since it was mentioned... as far as "ruined the program", in the short term, what has WT done with the momentum of an E8 success? Hmmmm, seems like he has begun his own sinkhole into new, unprecedented depths?! Can't blame the last few decades on that? Or can you??Nonsense indeed... Instead of talking about the history of OSU MBB, you come here and talk about me. Who cares about my pronouns or your former mentor? Just plain weird. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 5, 2023 12:02:00 GMT -8
And... there he/she/they/us/it/them (have to be careful with pronouns these days) is! Never fails, knew it would not take long for the leading enabler/excuse maker to appear. As a former poster would say, "fish on". I wonder how many people/programs live their lives letting their or others' history determine their future outcomes? My former coach mentor use to call those folks... "victims". But, since it was mentioned... as far as "ruined the program", in the short term, what has WT done with the momentum of an E8 success? Hmmmm, seems like he has begun his own sinkhole into new, unprecedented depths?! Can't blame the last few decades on that? Or can you??Nonsense indeed... Instead of talking about the history of OSU MBB, you come here and talk about me. Who cares about my pronouns or your former mentor? Just plain weird. Most come here to talk of the future of the program... "weird" is that you are one that consistently harps on the past. So, back to the question posed at the end of my last post. In terms of ruining a program, his own program, your excuses. Can't wait... as the funding, NIL, and portal are constants over these last (3) seasons... |
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 5, 2023 12:23:11 GMT -8
I hope he blows both knees out on the way out the door.
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Post by irimi on Apr 5, 2023 12:28:36 GMT -8
This is fascinating! Watching how the portal affects different sports at OSU, we can see...
...that our up-and-coming football program has attracted some top talent.
...that our esteemed baseball program loses decent players who want more playing time at other schools.
...that our weak basketball team can't keep strong players long enough to gain traction and forward momentum.
It's interesting to me. But I don't like thinking that next year will be another year of rebuilding. We're getting to be like the Blazers.
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Post by beaver94 on Apr 5, 2023 12:32:44 GMT -8
His announcement was pretty normal boilerplate type stuff. I wouldn’t read too much into that. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of negative posts about Tinkle with this, and I really don’t blame him that much. This is what college basketball has become. That said, I’m not saying he gets a pass. Two years ago he tried the transfer route as his main strategy for roster building and we know how that went. This past year he went primarily with HS recruits and the results weren’t particularly good, but I think that there was some hope at least that something might be able to be built. We know every team for the most part is going to lose players to the portal. The key is which ones. Unfortunately, Taylor was not one the Beavs could afford to lose. But his loss is not an excuse if the team doesn’t keep developing. OSU might not be an easy place to win, but that is what Tinkle signed up for and it is his job. After the 3 win debacle, I was prepared that WT would be the coach through this next year because of economics and the Elite 8 run. But if next year’s team doesn’t take a step forward and the buyout on his contract isn’t prohibitive, it’s time to show WT the door. Will the next head coach have better results? I don’t know. But another year like this one shows me that WT is not able to navigate the current landscape of college basketball. Move on and see if the next guy can. And the argument that we won’t be able to bring in a guy with WT’s credentials holds no water as far as I’m concerned. There are good basketball coaches out there. There are good coaches out there who would take the job. Heck, give me a coach from a “mid majorish” type program who has had success the past 2-3 years. Those kinds of schools are seeing their best players leave too. If that coach has continued to find success then it shows me he’s been able to navigate through NIL and the portal well enough to have sustain success. Good luck to Glenn. Sorry to see him go, but oh well. And equally... we'll also see future posts using GT Jr as the next (or one of the next) excuses for abject mediocrity. I would guess that every poster here has no objection to the type of man WT is. I would also guess if they hadn't, they also know of the recent decades of futility of the OSU hoops program... of which WT's (9) seasons are firmly entrenched. The NIL, the portal, what the university spends on a program are constants for every school. They are not excuses for the overall state of a program, quality coaches find a way to work within what they have and still produce results. As stated above there are MANY quality coaches at all levels of college hoops. And, "NO", to the response that there is some guarantee of success, just like there is none for year 10 under WT. Most of the OSU fans that attend/watch this program with an objective eye can see the program lacks many key components for any sustained success. Unless there is some unexpected huge influx of talent from the portal (see past portal results... no reason to think it is happening) next season will be much the same. The HS recruits coming in are not even the level of last season HS recruits. They are projects (in terms of Pac12 play and "yes" some of us have actually seen some of them in person not highlight tapes) and will get significant minutes because they have to. Posters on here can banter back and forth all the same old nonsense. But, the consistent inconsistency, the overall numbers, and the trend as compared to what other Pac12 programs are doing (sans Cal... but, who did make a move to attempt to improve) tell the story. Good luck to GT Jr... hope he finds a good fit somewhere. Rumor mill in Reno is that he might be headed there as he was recruited by Alford and he and Jarod are pretty close. We'll see? I'm not going to go back and look but outside of the season after the Elite 8, have the portal results been that bad? Weren't there a couple portal transfers on the team that went to the Elite 8. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying either, because there's a definite feeling that we've lost more than gained from the portal. Taylor can't be an excuse. At this point the portal is what it is. Tinkle either finds a way to improve considerably next season or I'd assume he's gone. |
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Post by rgeorge on Apr 5, 2023 12:42:47 GMT -8
And equally... we'll also see future posts using GT Jr as the next (or one of the next) excuses for abject mediocrity. I would guess that every poster here has no objection to the type of man WT is. I would also guess if they hadn't, they also know of the recent decades of futility of the OSU hoops program... of which WT's (9) seasons are firmly entrenched. The NIL, the portal, what the university spends on a program are constants for every school. They are not excuses for the overall state of a program, quality coaches find a way to work within what they have and still produce results. As stated above there are MANY quality coaches at all levels of college hoops. And, "NO", to the response that there is some guarantee of success, just like there is none for year 10 under WT. Most of the OSU fans that attend/watch this program with an objective eye can see the program lacks many key components for any sustained success. Unless there is some unexpected huge influx of talent from the portal (see past portal results... no reason to think it is happening) next season will be much the same. The HS recruits coming in are not even the level of last season HS recruits. They are projects (in terms of Pac12 play and "yes" some of us have actually seen some of them in person not highlight tapes) and will get significant minutes because they have to. Posters on here can banter back and forth all the same old nonsense. But, the consistent inconsistency, the overall numbers, and the trend as compared to what other Pac12 programs are doing (sans Cal... but, who did make a move to attempt to improve) tell the story. Good luck to GT Jr... hope he finds a good fit somewhere. Rumor mill in Reno is that he might be headed there as he was recruited by Alford and he and Jarod are pretty close. We'll see? I'm not going to go back and look but outside of the season after the Elite 8, have the portal results been that bad? Weren't there a couple portal transfers on the team that went to the Elite 8. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying either, because there's a definite feeling that we've lost more than gained from the portal. Taylor can't be an excuse. At this point the portal is what it is. Tinkle either finds a way to improve considerably next season or I'd assume he's gone. Well, I guess it depends on what the definition of "bad" is to each person. I could go back and look at specifics. But, I'm guessing not many were significant contributors on their previous teams, or had significant other offers. Although I'm always skeptical of posted info... is that based on just the players word? And, I'm having trouble remembering one that was more than a highly inconsistent role player. And, even as a transfer, what % stayed around? I'm curious now. I'll have to delve into this more. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 5, 2023 14:09:35 GMT -8
And equally... we'll also see future posts using GT Jr as the next (or one of the next) excuses for abject mediocrity. I would guess that every poster here has no objection to the type of man WT is. I would also guess if they hadn't, they also know of the recent decades of futility of the OSU hoops program... of which WT's (9) seasons are firmly entrenched. The NIL, the portal, what the university spends on a program are constants for every school. They are not excuses for the overall state of a program, quality coaches find a way to work within what they have and still produce results. As stated above there are MANY quality coaches at all levels of college hoops. And, "NO", to the response that there is some guarantee of success, just like there is none for year 10 under WT. Most of the OSU fans that attend/watch this program with an objective eye can see the program lacks many key components for any sustained success. Unless there is some unexpected huge influx of talent from the portal (see past portal results... no reason to think it is happening) next season will be much the same. The HS recruits coming in are not even the level of last season HS recruits. They are projects (in terms of Pac12 play and "yes" some of us have actually seen some of them in person not highlight tapes) and will get significant minutes because they have to. Posters on here can banter back and forth all the same old nonsense. But, the consistent inconsistency, the overall numbers, and the trend as compared to what other Pac12 programs are doing (sans Cal... but, who did make a move to attempt to improve) tell the story. Good luck to GT Jr... hope he finds a good fit somewhere. Rumor mill in Reno is that he might be headed there as he was recruited by Alford and he and Jarod are pretty close. We'll see? I'm not going to go back and look but outside of the season after the Elite 8, have the portal results been that bad? Weren't there a couple portal transfers on the team that went to the Elite 8. I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying either, because there's a definite feeling that we've lost more than gained from the portal. Taylor can't be an excuse. At this point the portal is what it is. Tinkle either finds a way to improve considerably next season or I'd assume he's gone. |
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Post by easyheat on Apr 5, 2023 16:49:55 GMT -8
Many of the Portal transfers end up committing to coaches that had recruited them when they were preps. There appears to be a comfort and trust level there - a former relationship renewed. It's possible Taylor will end up at one of the schools that offered him in prep school.
Taylor had offers and interest from Cincinnati, Grand Canyon, LMU, Nevada, San Diego State, UNLV, USC, and Washington State, among a few other programs.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Apr 5, 2023 18:50:58 GMT -8
Why go to UNR ? Or UNLV? Over osu… if you don’t like Tinkle, ok…. But as far as $$$, NIL….. doubt those schools have that much to offer. I’m assuming he’s got other offers.
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Post by jdogge on Apr 5, 2023 19:17:42 GMT -8
Losing Taylor is nothing a coach with significant accomplishments in the transfer portal can't overcome. Oh wait. There you go again -- your OSU coach hatred. You were dissin' Rueck last month and Canham a couple of weeks ago. Now it's Tinkle time again. Oh, you missed Smith. When are you putting him in the rotation? |
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Post by jdogge on Apr 5, 2023 19:21:24 GMT -8
His announcement was pretty normal boilerplate type stuff. I wouldn’t read too much into that. I’m sure we’ll see plenty of negative posts about Tinkle with this, and I really don’t blame him that much. This is what college basketball has become. That said, I’m not saying he gets a pass. Two years ago he tried the transfer route as his main strategy for roster building and we know how that went. This past year he went primarily with HS recruits and the results weren’t particularly good, but I think that there was some hope at least that something might be able to be built. We know every team for the most part is going to lose players to the portal. The key is which ones. Unfortunately, Taylor was not one the Beavs could afford to lose. But his loss is not an excuse if the team doesn’t keep developing. OSU might not be an easy place to win, but that is what Tinkle signed up for and it is his job. After the 3 win debacle, I was prepared that WT would be the coach through this next year because of economics and the Elite 8 run. But if next year’s team doesn’t take a step forward and the buyout on his contract isn’t prohibitive, it’s time to show WT the door. Will the next head coach have better results? I don’t know. But another year like this one shows me that WT is not able to navigate the current landscape of college basketball. Move on and see if the next guy can. And the argument that we won’t be able to bring in a guy with WT’s credentials holds no water as far as I’m concerned. There are good basketball coaches out there. There are good coaches out there who would take the job. Heck, give me a coach from a “mid majorish” type program who has had success the past 2-3 years. Those kinds of schools are seeing their best players leave too. If that coach has continued to find success then it shows me he’s been able to navigate through NIL and the portal well enough to have sustain success. Good luck to Glenn. Sorry to see him go, but oh well. And equally... we'll also see future posts using GT Jr as the next (or one of the next) excuses for abject mediocrity. I would guess that every poster here has no objection to the type of man WT is. I would also guess if they hadn't, they also know of the recent decades of futility of the OSU hoops program... of which WT's (9) seasons are firmly entrenched. The NIL, the portal, what the university spends on a program are constants for every school. They are not excuses for the overall state of a program, quality coaches find a way to work within what they have and still produce results. As stated above there are MANY quality coaches at all levels of college hoops. And, "NO", to the response that there is some guarantee of success, just like there is none for year 10 under WT. Most of the OSU fans that attend/watch this program with an objective eye can see the program lacks many key components for any sustained success. Unless there is some unexpected huge influx of talent from the portal (see past portal results... no reason to think it is happening) next season will be much the same. The HS recruits coming in are not even the level of last season HS recruits. They are projects (in terms of Pac12 play and "yes" some of us have actually seen some of them in person not highlight tapes) and will get significant minutes because they have to. Posters on here can banter back and forth all the same old nonsense. But, the consistent inconsistency, the overall numbers, and the trend as compared to what other Pac12 programs are doing (sans Cal... but, who did make a move to attempt to improve) tell the story. Good luck to GT Jr... hope he finds a good fit somewhere. Rumor mill in Reno is that he might be headed there as he was recruited by Alford and he and Jarod are pretty close. We'll see? If it's a consistent inconsistency, that's means it's consistent. So, you admit it's not a problem. |
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Post by jdogge on Apr 5, 2023 19:23:19 GMT -8
Instead of talking about the history of OSU MBB, you come here and talk about me. Who cares about my pronouns or your former mentor? Just plain weird. Most come here to talk of the future of the program... "weird" is that you are one that consistently harps on the past. So, back to the question posed at the end of my last post. In terms of ruining a program, his own program, your excuses. Can't wait... as the funding, NIL, and portal are constants over these last (3) seasons... If we give you money will you transfer to another board? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Apr 5, 2023 20:57:47 GMT -8
And equally... we'll also see future posts using GT Jr as the next (or one of the next) excuses for abject mediocrity. I would guess that every poster here has no objection to the type of man WT is. I would also guess if they hadn't, they also know of the recent decades of futility of the OSU hoops program... of which WT's (9) seasons are firmly entrenched. The NIL, the portal, what the university spends on a program are constants for every school. They are not excuses for the overall state of a program, quality coaches find a way to work within what they have and still produce results. As stated above there are MANY quality coaches at all levels of college hoops. And, "NO", to the response that there is some guarantee of success, just like there is none for year 10 under WT. Most of the OSU fans that attend/watch this program with an objective eye can see the program lacks many key components for any sustained success. Unless there is some unexpected huge influx of talent from the portal (see past portal results... no reason to think it is happening) next season will be much the same. The HS recruits coming in are not even the level of last season HS recruits. They are projects (in terms of Pac12 play and "yes" some of us have actually seen some of them in person not highlight tapes) and will get significant minutes because they have to. Posters on here can banter back and forth all the same old nonsense. But, the consistent inconsistency, the overall numbers, and the trend as compared to what other Pac12 programs are doing (sans Cal... but, who did make a move to attempt to improve) tell the story. Good luck to GT Jr... hope he finds a good fit somewhere. Rumor mill in Reno is that he might be headed there as he was recruited by Alford and he and Jarod are pretty close. We'll see? If it's a consistent inconsistency, that's means it's consistent. So, you admit it's not a problem.  |
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