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Post by rgeorge on Mar 25, 2023 22:20:12 GMT -8
Yes, we did lose a ton of players. There is a dropoff. No argument with you, Judge. As for comparing 2022 to 2017-18, Skullcap said Mitch had "incredible" players on the 2021 and 2022 teams. I simply called BS. We've all seen recently what "incredible talent" is. The 2021 or 2022 teams did not have "incredible" talent. Hjerpe > Heimlich. Pfennigs > Fehm. 2018 had better top end talent, but Oregon State had three huge holes in the lineup for most of the year with Malone only coming on late. The 2022 outfield was better in total than the 2018 outfield. Forrester is better than Taylor, too. 2022 outclassed 2018 at half of the positions, had a better rotation for most of the year, and had a better closer. 2018 Oregon State did not have to face anyone of 2022 Auburn's caliber in the Super Regional. And Heimlich did not get sick, during the Super Regional. And 2022 still was only one bad pitch or one timely hit away from sweeping through Omaha. Oregon State's 2022 outfield was incredible, best outfield ever. As for the rest of the team, Hjerpe was incredible. Past that, some great players, but not incredible. 2022 is top two of most offensive categories with 2018 being the other one. 2018 and 2022 were incredible to all other Oregon State teams. If only one can be "incredible," then 2022 is "incredible light." The way that people crap on 2022 is really what I find to be "incredible." Some folks think their definitions are definitive and not just an opinion. Although, they also seem to think some of their opinions are fact. There is always that crowd. |
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Post by badwack on Mar 26, 2023 4:00:03 GMT -8
I thought I saw something I haven't seen in years from a Beav BB Team. I think it was game 1 vs. Stanford. Body language and signs this team knew they were going to lose. No Fire, determination. We see very few battles at the plate. Bazz will show some energy. Yesterday Smith made the guy throw a lot of pitches to only foul out. With Runners on this team just doesn't put the ball in play and gets the results they deserve.
I do expect the Beav's to really thump Cal today. If they don't this is going to be long painful Season. Not much fun for anyone.
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 26, 2023 5:44:58 GMT -8
Yes, but we had a lot of players drafted after last season. We will have very few higher draft picks this year. There is a big drop off in talent from last season. Nobody was comparing last year to the 2017-2018 teams. Assuming Ferrer, Lattery and Bazzana get back to form they are the only guys I see as likely drafts besides Brown. Forrester might have a shot if he has a good season. That bodes well for next year as we should have a pretty experienced roster. This team has plenty of talent that's learning quick. Brown and Bazzana are only sophomores. So, it depends on their ages to determine if they’re draft eligible. |
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Post by tamatrix on Mar 26, 2023 6:56:38 GMT -8
Brown is redshirt soph and covid soph both, 4th year in program, so he can go whenever he wants. Bazzana has to stay 1 more
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Post by 56chevy on Mar 26, 2023 7:29:29 GMT -8
I can't remember a season in the last 10 where our contention had basically been over so early in pac 12 season. We've been spoiled, only natural to be a little cranky. Not even sure we make the pac 11 tournament at this point. 2022 had nowhere near the talent of 2018. Can't even make the argument with a straight face. Not many can go to Omaha and win playing at something less than their best. We did!
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Post by irimi on Mar 26, 2023 8:18:09 GMT -8
I’d like to see more consistency in the lineup. I’d like to see Turley play today and work through his problems. Walks are fine, but we need more than walks out of the 3-4-5 hitters. We need a rally cry, a gimmick, or just some third inning triple shot espresso drinks.
Boys, need to wake up or they will sleep through the season.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 26, 2023 9:21:04 GMT -8
I thought I saw something I haven't seen in years from a Beav BB Team. I think it was game 1 vs. Stanford. Body language and signs this team knew they were going to lose. No Fire, determination. We see very few battles at the plate. Bazz will show some energy. Yesterday Smith made the guy throw a lot of pitches to only foul out. With Runners on this team just doesn't put the ball in play and gets the results they deserve. I do expect the Beav's to really thump Cal today. If they don't this is going to be long painful Season. Not much fun for anyone. In game 1 against Stanford, Oregon State came back from a 9-3 deficit and had the tying run at the plate twice. There was fight there on both sides of the plate. 2-3 in one-run games at this point. The last time that Oregon State had three one-run losses at this point of the season was 2012, and the Beavers were 3-3 at this point in one-run games with exactly one more win. That 2012 team got jobbed by the Committee in 2012 and then was a foot away from the Championship Series in 2013. Whether coaches or players, it seems like we have not put everything together yet, but we're close. It may not happen this year, though. You rarely lose six position players and your Friday and Saturday starters and pick up right where you left off. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2023 9:37:08 GMT -8
Yes, we did lose a ton of players. There is a dropoff. No argument with you, Judge. As for comparing 2022 to 2017-18, Skullcap said Mitch had "incredible" players on the 2021 and 2022 teams. I simply called BS. We've all seen recently what "incredible talent" is. The 2021 or 2022 teams did not have "incredible" talent. Hjerpe > Heimlich. Pfennigs > Fehm. 2018 had better top end talent, but Oregon State had three huge holes in the lineup for most of the year with Malone only coming on late. The 2022 outfield was better in total than the 2018 outfield. Forrester is better than Taylor, too. 2022 outclassed 2018 at half of the positions, had a better rotation for most of the year, and had a better closer. 2018 Oregon State did not have to face anyone of 2022 Auburn's caliber in the Super Regional. And Heimlich did not get sick, during the Super Regional. And 2022 still was only one bad pitch or one timely hit away from sweeping through Omaha.Oregon State's 2022 outfield was incredible, best outfield ever. As for the rest of the team, Hjerpe was incredible. Past that, some great players, but not incredible. 2022 is top two of most offensive categories with 2018 being the other one. 2018 and 2022 were incredible to all other Oregon State teams. If only one can be "incredible," then 2022 is "incredible light." The way that people crap on 2022 is really what I find to be "incredible." You have a team that didn't even reach Omaha being "one pitch or hit away" from going 5-0 once we got there? OK. I think that's projecting a little. No, a lot. It is not "crapping" on the 2022 team to say it was not "incredible." It did not win the Pac-12. It did not win the Pac-12 tournament. It did not win a home Super Regional. It did not even reach the College World Series, much less win the College World Series, or have a potential win taken away from it by inept umpiring, like the 2017 team, which, at 56-4 at one point, was incredible. As I said, we've seen incredible. The 2022 team was an excellent college baseball team that (IMHO) fell about four steps away from being incredible. |
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Post by rgeorge on Mar 26, 2023 9:37:12 GMT -8
I can't remember a season in the last 10 where our contention had basically been over so early in pac 12 season. We've been spoiled, only natural to be a little cranky. Not even sure we make the pac 11 tournament at this point. 2022 had nowhere near the talent of 2018. Can't even make the argument with a straight face. Not many can go to Omaha and win playing at something less than their best. We did! There was a comparison/argument made above. However, as is often the case on threads you are reacting in part to posts where the OP was "mutilated" to a certain poster's personal opinion... or in this case how everyone else should define "incredible". There was no initial comparison between the two squads. The statement that the 2022 squad being incredibly talented (an opinion which is as valid as any other and held by many) was refuted by a comparison to 2018. It was a random bid to be argumentative as is the profile of that particular poster. That the 2018 team alone were the incredibly talented team and all others must be compared to them was the opinion created out of thin air, not in response to the OP. There was no comparison... just the typical lame attempt to create divisiveness. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 26, 2023 9:57:50 GMT -8
Hjerpe > Heimlich. Pfennigs > Fehm. 2018 had better top end talent, but Oregon State had three huge holes in the lineup for most of the year with Malone only coming on late. The 2022 outfield was better in total than the 2018 outfield. Forrester is better than Taylor, too. 2022 outclassed 2018 at half of the positions, had a better rotation for most of the year, and had a better closer. 2018 Oregon State did not have to face anyone of 2022 Auburn's caliber in the Super Regional. And Heimlich did not get sick, during the Super Regional. And 2022 still was only one bad pitch or one timely hit away from sweeping through Omaha.Oregon State's 2022 outfield was incredible, best outfield ever. As for the rest of the team, Hjerpe was incredible. Past that, some great players, but not incredible. 2022 is top two of most offensive categories with 2018 being the other one. 2018 and 2022 were incredible to all other Oregon State teams. If only one can be "incredible," then 2022 is "incredible light." The way that people crap on 2022 is really what I find to be "incredible." You have a team that didn't even reach Omaha being "one pitch or hit away" from going 5-0 once we got there? OK. I think that's projecting a little. No, a lot. It is not "crapping" on the 2022 team to say it was not "incredible." It did not win the Pac-12. It did not win the Pac-12 tournament. It did not win a home Super Regional. It did not even reach the College World Series, much less win the College World Series, or have a potential win taken away from it by inept umpiring, like the 2017 team, which, at 56-4 at one point, was incredible. As I said, we've seen incredible. The 2022 team was an excellent college baseball team that (IMHO) fell about four steps away from being incredible. No inept umpiring? Watch game one of the Corvallis Super Regional again. Or watch Sonny D's "walk" that even Sonny D knew was a strikeout in game three. Sonny D knew that he struck out, looked at the ump with a double-take. "You mean that wasn't a strike?" Shrugged and lumbered up to first base. Auburn only got to four runs, because of that awful call. If you take away that one awful, awful call, Oregon State wins 3-2. And sails through Omaha. Oregon State beats Mississippi in game one, and the Rebs' path would have been the Beavs' path with a rightful win over Auburn and the win over Mississippi with a 100% Hjerpe. 0% chance we lose game one against the Rebs with a 100% Hjerpe. 0%. And a team named Rebels was able to win a National Championship. It is all terrible! Alternatively, you could have a consistent zone in game one of the Super Regional, as opposed to the nebulous occasionally Buick-sized zone that the Beaver hitters had to endure. I am not going to get into semantics. I disagree with most of your post, though. The 2022 team was loaded pretty much everywhere. And most of that team evaporated after that "loss" to Auburn. Watch the damned game! No inept umpiring. Grrrrrrrrrrr! It was strike then and is still a strike. Garbage! |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 26, 2023 10:34:32 GMT -8
And in what universe was Jake Pfennigs ever a better college pitcher than Bryce Fehmel?
He may project higher as a pro, or even have better stuff, when he could actually put it together. But as far as performance on the field, Fehmel was one of the best pitchers in OSU history, with two 10-wins seasons and 33 career wins. Almost always pitched into the seventh or the eighth innings.
Pfennigs never won more than five games in a year, only 12 lifetime, and was almost always yanked by the fifth or sixth innings.
We just disagree. No bid deal.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 26, 2023 14:40:24 GMT -8
And in what universe was Jake Pfennigs ever a better college pitcher than Bryce Fehmel? He may project higher as a pro, or even have better stuff, when he could actually put it together. But as far as performance on the field, Fehmel was one of the best pitchers in OSU history, with two 10-wins seasons and 33 career wins. Almost always pitched into the seventh or the eighth innings. Pfennigs never won more than five games in a year, only 12 lifetime, and was almost always yanked by the fifth or sixth innings. We just disagree. No bid deal. I was trying to compare 2018 Fehmel with 2022 Pfennigs, most specifically at the end of the year. Fehm did not see the sixth, much less the seventh in his final three appearances. Fehm's last win was against Northwestern State in the Corvallis Regional. Fehm started the seventh against Minnesota but should not have. Four gems before Minnesota, though, no arguments. You could say that Fehm saw the sixth in most of his appearances. That's true. He did not see the seventh in most of his appearances, though. Fehm started March with the one-hitter against Hartford but had a generally bad rest of March, April, and early May before putting together a great final three games of the regular season and Regional and pretty good Super Regional, as well. In my estimation, Fehm was great; Pfennigs was better. I can see your argument, though. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 26, 2023 15:12:13 GMT -8
After Cal on Sunday Road games vs Seattle uw uo Uggh...This could be an epic terrible year...think last year's men's hoops for comparison It's not a murders row of games. We're capable of winning all or none. Not that daunting. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 26, 2023 20:46:56 GMT -8
After Cal on Sunday Road games vs Seattle uw uo Uggh...This could be an epic terrible year...think last year's men's hoops for comparison Seattle is 5-15. Three of those wins were in Bellevue: two in a series win against Utah Valley and one in a series loss against Davis. Seattle lost both midweek games to USC and Wazzu. Although, both of those losses were on the road. Playing Washington in Seattle seems dicier than playing Oregon in Eugene. Oregon just swept through Northwestern State, which is Northwestern State's first trip to Oregon since 2018. The two trips are Northwestern State's only two to Oregon in at least 30 years. |
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Post by grackle on Mar 27, 2023 7:44:14 GMT -8
Assuming Ferrer, Lattery and Bazzana get back to form they are the only guys I see as likely drafts besides Brown. Forrester might have a shot if he has a good season. That bodes well for next year as we should have a pretty experienced roster. This team has plenty of talent that's learning quick. I don’t see Forrester showing much that would entice the pro scouts. I expected him to have developed more into a clutch hitter and he hasn’t. Forrester not much of clutch hitter?? To my eyes, almost this entire team seems infected with an almost unreal inability to produce clutch hits. Add last year as well. Maybe when Canham/Dorman finally begin to realize they'e coaching COLLEGE ball, not MLB, they'll learn the value of the small game at this level and start to produce more clutch run, and hit, production. |
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