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Post by qbeaver on Mar 16, 2023 11:32:36 GMT -8
What is a point guard in today's game? Now,everyone has to be able to start the offense and be a legit scorer too. The days of the traditional pass first point guard doesn't exist anymore. I want two combo guards who can shoot the three starting. I get what you’re saying. And PGs do have to be able to score now too, but I think there is great value in having a PG who can distribute, break down the D and settle things down. I think the reason that Illinois has been so inconsistent this year is because they don’t have a PG. At different times in the game they will have basically 4 different guys initiate the offense during a game. Yeah the versatility is great when they’re hitting on all cylinders, but too often the offense gets bogged down and they take bad 3s. If they had a real PG, I think the scoring droughts would be shallower and overall they’d be more consistent. But I agree that you need at least a couple of guys on the floor who can initiate the offense When the 1980 osu men's team was elite,who was the point guard...Blume or Radford? Both could score and pass. I'm just saying the true point guard and true scoring guard are kind of a blend,and you can be successful like that. I want two guards who can score and defend. I always think of a point guard as the predominant ball handler,and averaging 5+ assists. Not sure defined roles are the same anymore. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 16, 2023 11:57:51 GMT -8
I get what you’re saying. And PGs do have to be able to score now too, but I think there is great value in having a PG who can distribute, break down the D and settle things down. I think the reason that Illinois has been so inconsistent this year is because they don’t have a PG. At different times in the game they will have basically 4 different guys initiate the offense during a game. Yeah the versatility is great when they’re hitting on all cylinders, but too often the offense gets bogged down and they take bad 3s. If they had a real PG, I think the scoring droughts would be shallower and overall they’d be more consistent. But I agree that you need at least a couple of guys on the floor who can initiate the offense When the 1980 osu men's team was elite,who was the point guard...Blume or Radford? Both could score and pass. I'm just saying the true point guard and true scoring guard are kind of a blend,and you can be successful like that. I want two guards who can score and defend. I always think of a point guard as the predominant ball handler,and averaging 5+ assists. Not sure defined roles are the same anymore. Don't forget Lester Conner. He had more assists than blume or Radford. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 16, 2023 12:31:33 GMT -8
When the 1980 osu men's team was elite,who was the point guard...Blume or Radford? Both could score and pass. I'm just saying the true point guard and true scoring guard are kind of a blend,and you can be successful like that. I want two guards who can score and defend. I always think of a point guard as the predominant ball handler,and averaging 5+ assists. Not sure defined roles are the same anymore. Don't forget Lester Conner. He had more assists than blume or Radford. Pre Lester...Duane Allen at Small Forward was the passer on that team. Couldn't hit a lick from the field,but was a good passer and defender. The year before Lester. 79-80 |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 17, 2023 5:07:29 GMT -8
I get what you’re saying. And PGs do have to be able to score now too, but I think there is great value in having a PG who can distribute, break down the D and settle things down. I think the reason that Illinois has been so inconsistent this year is because they don’t have a PG. At different times in the game they will have basically 4 different guys initiate the offense during a game. Yeah the versatility is great when they’re hitting on all cylinders, but too often the offense gets bogged down and they take bad 3s. If they had a real PG, I think the scoring droughts would be shallower and overall they’d be more consistent. But I agree that you need at least a couple of guys on the floor who can initiate the offense When the 1980 osu men's team was elite,who was the point guard...Blume or Radford? Both could score and pass. I'm just saying the true point guard and true scoring guard are kind of a blend,and you can be successful like that. I want two guards who can score and defend. I always think of a point guard as the predominant ball handler,and averaging 5+ assists. Not sure defined roles are the same anymore. I think we’re basically in agreement. I will say having two players in backcourt with the skills of Radford and Blume is not very common. And when it occurs the team is elite much like the Illini with Dee Brown and Deron Williams. I think the players labeled combo guards today are less likely to be able to run an offense than yesterday’s off guard. Heck that may be true of many of today’s “PGs.” If you watched the Illinois game yesterday you saw exhibit A for my argument. Illini had several combo guards and “point forwards” initiating offense and when the offense got bogged down because of good D, “initiating” offense wasn’t enough. What they needed was a “real” point guard to run the offense. But whatever we want to call them, I think we both agree that Beavers need to be better in backcourt and find a running mate(s) for Pope. Let’s hope they can do it. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 17, 2023 9:08:28 GMT -8
Hey, look, interest in a guard. Like 3 years of eligibility left. Had season highs of 18 points and 9 assists. Averaged 30+ ppg senior year in high school. Listed at 6-0, but that might be generous unless he went through a growth spurt. Was listed at 5-9 by 24/7 on his HS recruitment page.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 17, 2023 13:37:32 GMT -8
When the 1980 osu men's team was elite,who was the point guard...Blume or Radford? Both could score and pass. I'm just saying the true point guard and true scoring guard are kind of a blend,and you can be successful like that. I want two guards who can score and defend. I always think of a point guard as the predominant ball handler,and averaging 5+ assists. Not sure defined roles are the same anymore. I think we’re basically in agreement. I will say having two players in backcourt with the skills of Radford and Blume is not very common. And when it occurs the team is elite much like the Illini with Dee Brown and Deron Williams. I think the players labeled combo guards today are less likely to be able to run an offense than yesterday’s off guard. Heck that may be true of many of today’s “PGs.” If you watched the Illinois game yesterday you saw exhibit A for my argument. Illini had several combo guards and “point forwards” initiating offense and when the offense got bogged down because of good D, “initiating” offense wasn’t enough. What they needed was a “real” point guard to run the offense. But whatever we want to call them, I think we both agree that Beavers need to be better in backcourt and find a running mate(s) for Pope. Let’s hope they can do it. Would like to see us add two guards who can shoot from the outside. Both need to be an upgrade over Rochelin and Wright. Wright was 2-31 from three point range...abysmal. On the interior,we need two athletes who can defend and rebound. Not big scorers. Just athletes who can be an upgrade over what we have. Choi hasn't been healthy for 5 years. 4 portal/juco guys in...Choi,Wright, and Rochelin out. |
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Post by beaverology on Mar 19, 2023 8:58:12 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2023 9:04:35 GMT -8
Hmmmm… a forward.
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Post by beaverology on Mar 19, 2023 9:14:59 GMT -8
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 19, 2023 9:55:57 GMT -8
Abram had 20 points in 21 minutes in their conf tourney — against SC I think. Also had like 25 points against Stanford earlier in year.
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 19, 2023 10:02:11 GMT -8
He’d be a nice grad transfer, giving frontline some experience with all the youth we have. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 19, 2023 10:59:54 GMT -8
He’d be a nice grad transfer, giving frontline some experience with all the youth we have. Good idea. We're still a very young team this next year. Ryuny's presence this season probably contributed greatly to a few of our wins this season. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Mar 20, 2023 7:50:51 GMT -8
He’d be a nice grad transfer, giving frontline some experience with all the youth we have. Good idea. We're still a very young team this next year. Ryuny's presence this season probably contributed greatly to a few of our wins this season. Have not seen him play, but what I like about him on paper is he has pretty good size and appears to be more of an interior player. Outside of center, most of our bigs are more the stretch 4 variety. He shot 40% from 3 this last season, but only averaged a smidge over 1 attempt per game. And I think he had about 10 games where he had 7+ rebounds. Also averaged about 12 ppg against teams from better conferences — Colorado , Butler and KY. Another big selling point is he only averaged 22 mpg, so not likely looking for 30 mpg. I don’t know our chances of getting him or how much we want him, but if not him I think a similar type grad transfer would really help the team next year. |
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Post by babeav on Mar 20, 2023 8:21:56 GMT -8
I think we’re basically in agreement. I will say having two players in backcourt with the skills of Radford and Blume is not very common. And when it occurs the team is elite much like the Illini with Dee Brown and Deron Williams. I think the players labeled combo guards today are less likely to be able to run an offense than yesterday’s off guard. Heck that may be true of many of today’s “PGs.” If you watched the Illinois game yesterday you saw exhibit A for my argument. Illini had several combo guards and “point forwards” initiating offense and when the offense got bogged down because of good D, “initiating” offense wasn’t enough. What they needed was a “real” point guard to run the offense. But whatever we want to call them, I think we both agree that Beavers need to be better in backcourt and find a running mate(s) for Pope. Let’s hope they can do it. Would like to see us add two guards who can shoot from the outside. Both need to be an upgrade over Rochelin and Wright. Wright was 2-31 from three point range...abysmal. On the interior,we need two athletes who can defend and rebound. Not big scorers. Just athletes who can be an upgrade over what we have. Choi hasn't been healthy for 5 years. 4 portal/juco guys in...Choi,Wright, and Rochelin out. missing out if Rockelin is sacked…..hurt all year, when healthy he can be dangerous, he goes Wayne should follow. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 20, 2023 11:21:46 GMT -8
Would like to see us add two guards who can shoot from the outside. Both need to be an upgrade over Rochelin and Wright. Wright was 2-31 from three point range...abysmal. On the interior,we need two athletes who can defend and rebound. Not big scorers. Just athletes who can be an upgrade over what we have. Choi hasn't been healthy for 5 years. 4 portal/juco guys in...Choi,Wright, and Rochelin out. missing out if Rockelin is sacked…..hurt all year, when healthy he can be dangerous, he goes Wayne should follow. "Your ability won't help if you don't have availability". That is my point about Rochelin and Choi. If you can't get on the court healthy,how can you help osu win games? |
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