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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 13:16:16 GMT -8
During the seven seasons (2013-14 to 19-20) of strong success for the program, the Beavers had Wiese, Weisner, Pivec, McWilliams, Goodman (she was a 4-star recruit), Siegner (4-star) and added transfer Destiny Slocum (McDonalds' AA and No. 7 overall). All 4 or 5 star players. As far as foreign players, Hamblin was probably more of a project, but Gulich and Aquino very well could have been ranked highly had they played high school hoops in the U.S. Yes, Rueck was able to fill out rosters with players like Ali Gibson, Hanson, Corosdale and Hunter, but every program does that. Goforth, Kampschroeder, Brown and Jones all left OSU (Jones was all-Pac-12 as a sophomore), so not sure what your point is there. It seems as if you're basing your whole premise on those players leaving. And what about Beers? She has been great this season. What's wrong with having Gardiner? Her potential is extremely high. Blending in 4-star and 5-star players is exactly what Rueck did to reach those highs that the program had during that period. Ali Gibson was far from a roster filler, she was the best recruit for Rueck at the time. I didn't mean it like she was a bench player, I was just differentiating the 4 and 5 star recruits and filling in the roster with players who were good recruits but not 4 or 5 stars. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 25, 2023 13:19:15 GMT -8
Blaming everything on covid and the portal kind of ignores that literally EVERY team in the country faced the exact same thing the last several years. Many programs have thrived in spite of those 2 challenges. OSU obviously has not. I'm not blaming everything on covid and the portal but it has definitely changed the landscape of college ball. 18-19. D1 transfers 589. P5 transfers 119 19-20. 490. 122 20-21. 1159. 236 21-22. 1331. 269 Covid and the subsequent opening of the portal doubled the number of transfers. To say it has nothing to do with it is ludicrous. But everybody else is facing the same thing, right? |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 25, 2023 13:22:45 GMT -8
Jones as a Fr. was way, way ahead of either Hamblin or Gulich at the same stage. She didn't really develop much after that, not sure how much shoulder problems contributed.
Goforth played one season at OSU and it was a very productive season. You can't compare her 1 year w/ 4 year careers of Wiese, Weisner, Pivec etc. Who knows how good she could've been if not for the health issue that ended her career at Arkansas.
I'll give you that Brown and Kampschroeder haven't lived up to their recruiting rankings.
The point does stand that bringing in more highly touted recruits hasn't led to OSU moving to a higher level in hoops.
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 13:25:24 GMT -8
Jones as a Fr. was way, way ahead of either Hamblin or Gulich at the same stage. She didn't really develop much after that, not sure how much shoulder problems contributed. Goforth played one season at OSU and it was a very productive season. You can't compare her 1 year w/ 4 year careers of Wiese, Weisner, Pivec etc. Who knows how good she could've been if not for the health issue that ended her career at Arkansas. I'll give you that Brown and Kampschroeder haven't lived up to their recruiting rankings. The point does stand that bringing in more highly touted recruits hasn't led to OSU moving to a higher level in hoops.Factually incorrect. |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 25, 2023 13:39:23 GMT -8
My point is this. Just because osu has gotten a higher level of recruit after having success,fans expect osu to be able to continue that success based on who we signed. It's about blending a team together to make a solid unit. Getting more highly recruited players from far away is more challenging to blend together. Each was a star in high school,and not all are willing to sacrifice for the team. Kampschroeder,Goforth,Jones,and Brown were four of the highest recruited athletes Scott has signed in his tenure at osu. None were as good as Goodman,Pivic,Guliich,Weise,etc. None of those 5 star national recruits have become comparably good at the college level. The rating system for women's basketball prospects is very generous to say the least. Much more generous than boys prospect ratings. Way more 4* players in the women's game than the boys. Some of those players you said were 4 star recruits didn't have anywhere to the offer sheets as Gardiner,Kampschroeder,Goforth,etc. I would call them 3 star players. We have no idea if Gardner,Beers,or any of the frosh will stay at osu. I have no reason to believe they will leave,and only Beav74 is the guy who has a true insider that I know of I would trust to know. Imo Osu needs to stay recruiting on the West coast in general,,and get a blend of 4 and 3 star recruits and build a team that way. Keeping athletes for several years in the program is the key to stability,and the further away we recruit athletes,the harder it is to keep them in thevportal era...especially the highly regarded prospects. I agree that maybe expectations get too high because of the recruiting, but that's something that happens with successful programs. As for Jones, Brown, Goforth and Kampschroeder...Jones was playing at a pretty high level (all-Pac-12) at OSU before getting injured. Brown was also injured but has not panned out completely since, however, she is a very good defensive player and rebounder. Goforth fought a disease her entire career. Kampschroeder has not been all that great. Those are issues that happen. It has nothing to do with how they were rated. Again, the Beavers were successful during those seven seasons because Rueck was able to bring in and retain key 4 and 5 star players. It became an issue when those players started to leave, for whatever reason. We'll see about staying on the West Coast. Covid was a factor in some players wanting to play closer to home. I'm not sure if that's going to be much of an issue moving forward. The portal is always going to be an easy out for players who want one. I just think kids get homesick sometimes,and the players coming from long distances during covid was a recipe for disaster. I'm not saying recruit exclusively West coast. Getting kids out of our normal recruiting area up to this point(small sample size I agree) hasn't been very successful. Players from Arkansas,Kansas,Illinois,Texas,Georgia,etc and all of those players left the program and entered the portal. We won't know about Gardner,Blacklock,or Hansforth until the season ends. Scott certainly needs to figure out the right mix of players and where to recruit. The landscape has changed immensely since the portal opened and NIL so if will be an adjustment for the osu staff going forward. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 13:41:04 GMT -8
I agree that maybe expectations get too high because of the recruiting, but that's something that happens with successful programs. As for Jones, Brown, Goforth and Kampschroeder...Jones was playing at a pretty high level (all-Pac-12) at OSU before getting injured. Brown was also injured but has not panned out completely since, however, she is a very good defensive player and rebounder. Goforth fought a disease her entire career. Kampschroeder has not been all that great. Those are issues that happen. It has nothing to do with how they were rated. Again, the Beavers were successful during those seven seasons because Rueck was able to bring in and retain key 4 and 5 star players. It became an issue when those players started to leave, for whatever reason. We'll see about staying on the West Coast. Covid was a factor in some players wanting to play closer to home. I'm not sure if that's going to be much of an issue moving forward. The portal is always going to be an easy out for players who want one. I just think kids get homesick sometimes,and the players coming from long distances during covid was a recipe for disaster. I'm not saying recruit exclusively West coast. Getting kids out of our normal recruiting area up to this point(small sample size I agree) hasn't been very successful. Players from Arkansas,Kansas,Illinois,Texas,Georgia,etc and all of those players left the program and entered the portal. We won't know about Gardner,Blacklock,or Hansforth until the season ends. Scott certainly needs to figure out the right mix of players and where to recruit. The landscape has changed immensely since the portal opened and NIL so if will be an adjustment for the osu staff going forward. Yeah, completely fair point |
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 14:30:01 GMT -8
After expressing my concern about the offseason following the ASU loss and thinking that it might have been a sort of negative turning point for some players, I have to say that the win against UA should really help to erase that to a large degree.
Not just that it's a win, but it kept the Beavers from going out on what would have been a pretty extreme low to end the regular season.
I've mentioned that the players are still engaged and playing hard, which is very important.
I don't know if this win is enough to erase the reality of the losing streak in the players' minds (as far as what they might be considering for next year), but it might be, especially if they win one or two in the Pac-12 tourney.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 25, 2023 15:12:52 GMT -8
Maybe add something to the thread. Agree or disagree with the OP, I don't care. But this kind of stuff is just an attempt to derail a thread. Did my evil plot succeed? |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 25, 2023 15:42:45 GMT -8
I told Martha that I have her penciled in as next years PG and she agreed. Didn't sound like someone planning to leave.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 25, 2023 15:50:30 GMT -8
I told Martha that I have her penciled in as next years PG and she agreed. Didn't sound like someone planning to leave. With Noelle and Bendu moving on she is able to see an avenue to more minutes. It would be really nice if the team can avoid the portal. |
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Post by beavsteve on Feb 25, 2023 16:30:53 GMT -8
I told Martha that I have her penciled in as next years PG and she agreed. Didn't sound like someone planning to leave. With Noelle and Bendu moving on she is able to see an avenue to more minutes. It would be really nice if the team can avoid the portal. I'll be disappointed if one of the freshman guards doesn't take over the point sometime during next season. Both look like they have the potential. Martha is good, but I don't want us going into the Pac-12 season next year with a 5-5 point guard starting. Though I haven't heard confirmation yet, it's been four years since an off-season Europe tour, so we are due; that trip should give the freshman a head start and give the team extra time to gel with them. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 25, 2023 16:39:52 GMT -8
Incoming freshmen or current freshmen?
I really like Donovan's game and she comes in strong enough to play. Kennedie is also really good but she and Lily need to be workout buddies.
Both Adlee and Lily are shooting guards with amazing releases. Not sure if I'd need with them.
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Post by 93beav on Feb 25, 2023 16:52:27 GMT -8
We need another solid post and a PG from the portal.
If you really want the current group to stay, then form an NIL group. Make the Benny's House NIL and the women would be paid to promote the NIL group (to get even more people on-board).
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Post by markwbeaver on Feb 25, 2023 17:53:58 GMT -8
The portal is impossible to predict, but I am encouraged by this totally subjective impression. Beers, Gardiner, and Blacklock are all smilers, especially Beers and Gardiner. They look like they love the game and are having a great time. Did anyone see Beers hugging Mannen from behind while Bendu was shooting free throws at the end of the Arizona game? She knew the Beavs were putting the game away. I have loved it that Gardiner leads the team in the introductions with that little dance they do when the starters are announced.
I always worried a little about Taylor Jones and Brown because they rarely smiled. They looked like they were going to work rather showing the joy of playing a game they loved. At that time, little did I think they would leave. But can anyone imagine them leading the team introductions in the way that Gardiner does? It doesn't mean we're clear of the portal, but I'm a lot more hopeful when I see the joy Gardiner brings to the court. I was watching her after the game today when she only played 7 minutes. The smile was still there.
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Post by beaverstever on Feb 25, 2023 18:19:00 GMT -8
After expressing my concern about the offseason following the ASU loss and thinking that it might have been a sort of negative turning point for some players, I have to say that the win against UA should really help to erase that to a large degree. Not just that it's a win, but it kept the Beavers from going out on what would have been a pretty extreme low to end the regular season. I've mentioned that the players are still engaged and playing hard, which is very important. I don't know if this win is enough to erase the reality of the losing streak in the players' minds (as far as what they might be considering for next year), but it might be, especially if they win one or two in the Pac-12 tourney. Totally agree. This win should do a lot for the off-season psyche. They had the win vs UCLA, but that had an asterisk. This game proved they can compete, not just hang with the elite. It also proved that what they needed was for everybody to play confident and not defer to anybody based on seniority. Stay aggressive in the clutch. And we are finally seeing what the quick releases of Adlee and Lily can do for this team’s prospects. I’m guessing nobody wants to see OSU in the Pac-12 tournament; nothing to lose, not wanting the season to end and having a lot to prove still. |
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