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Post by sparty on Feb 25, 2023 6:28:13 GMT -8
Some folks like to predict the worst case scenarios because: 1. There's really no downside. If the worst happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). 2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. Fixed. Pretending nothing is wrong,
Some folks like to predict the best case scenarios because: 1. There's really no upside. If the bestt happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). 2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 25, 2023 7:00:10 GMT -8
Some folks like to predict the worst case scenarios because: 1. There's really no downside. If the worst happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). 2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. Fixed. Pretending nothing is wrong,
Some folks like to predict the best case scenarios because: 1. There's really no upside. If the bestt happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). 2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. Those folks may exist but I’ve never met one. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Feb 25, 2023 8:48:35 GMT -8
Blaming everything on covid and the portal kind of ignores that literally EVERY team in the country faced the exact same thing the last several years. Many programs have thrived in spite of those 2 challenges. OSU obviously has not.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 25, 2023 10:09:20 GMT -8
Blaming everything on covid and the portal kind of ignores that literally EVERY team in the country faced the exact same thing the last several years. Many programs have thrived in spite of those 2 challenges. OSU obviously has not. nwhoopfan,
Clearly stated and 100 % correct. As I listen to SR's recent press conferences, there seems to be an over riding theme of rationalizations and excuses.
I believe that the overwhelming majority of Beaver fans continue to support SR (as I do), but would be more encouraged if there were signs of improvement and/or a clear direction of change and purpose to "right the ship"
Go Beavs!
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Post by sparty on Feb 25, 2023 10:34:36 GMT -8
Blaming everything on covid and the portal kind of ignores that literally EVERY team in the country faced the exact same thing the last several years. Many programs have thrived in spite of those 2 challenges. OSU obviously has not. nwhoopfan,
Clearly stated and 100 % correct. As I listen to SR's recent press conferences, there seems to be an over riding theme of rationalizations and excuses.
I believe that the overwhelming majority of Beaver fans continue to support SR (as I do), but would be more encouraged if there were signs of improvement and/or a clear direction of change and purpose to "right the ship"
Go Beavs!
Embrace the portal rather than fight it. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 25, 2023 10:40:56 GMT -8
Some folks like to predict the worst case scenarios because: 1. There's really no downside. If the worst happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). 2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. Fixed. Pretending nothing is wrong,
Some folks like to predict the best case scenarios because: 1. There's really no upside. If the best happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). If there's no upside then how can you have a "best happens"?2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. I'd be unhappy if the best case scenario doesn't happen. Would you be unhappy if the worst case scenario didn't happen?
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 11:09:56 GMT -8
Fixed. Pretending nothing is wrong,
Some folks like to predict the best case scenarios because: 1. There's really no upside. If the best happens you look like a genius (which is important, I guess). If there's no upside then how can you have a "best happens"?2. If it doesn't, nobody cares or remembers. I'd be unhappy if the best case scenario doesn't happen. Would you be unhappy if the worst case scenario didn't happen?
Maybe add something to the thread. Agree or disagree with the OP, I don't care. But this kind of stuff is just an attempt to derail a thread. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 25, 2023 11:26:43 GMT -8
Starting lineup of: 1. Transfer PG 2. Talia 3. Adlee 4. Timea 5. Raegan Would be very solid. I’ve been so impressed with Adlee’s play as of late and if she continues to shoot the ball this well, she could make a Tudor-esque jump next season. Pair that with a healthy Talia and an additional year of experience for Raegan and Timea and things should start trending up. Overall still a pretty young lineup, but a talented, seasoned PG transfer would go a long way. While I am a little worried about how the recent results could affect the quality of recruiting/transfer portal, hopefully recruits see there is still a lot of potential/talent. Obviously keeping everyone, but especially those four above, is really important. If the potential portal player looks at the Beavs record they may not even give the Beavs a sniff, but with most of these players knowing each other, or knowing of each other, the opportunity to play a couple years or more with Raegan, Timea and company may be very attractive. If coaches can get their attention, they could sell them on past success with similar young talent. As for who stays, we certainly don't have the answer, but of the four mentioned above, Talia has already address Beaver Nation saying "see you next season", Raegan has been all positive about Oregon State, and Adlee has stated that SR "has been great with the freshmen". None of that means things will go the Beavs way, but it's better than hearing negative stuff from the players. |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 25, 2023 11:36:10 GMT -8
It just seems to me a number of our better players were developed versus coming in as elite 4/5 star recruits. Ruth was very raw out of Canada,Hunter had one other PAC-12 offer in Arizona,Goodman was a pure shooter as was Tudor and didn't have elite offer sheets,Guliich was a foreign player,so she didn't have tons of offers,Hansen was more of a 3* player out of So. Cal,etc. How many of the great players who had elite offer sheets have become elite at osu? Goforth? Kampschroeder? Brown? Jones? Etc. Nope
The thought that Scott hadn't tried to recruit an elite difference maker point guard is false. Williams from Dallas Texas(Stanford starter) Jordin Canada(Ucla star) Ionescu(uo) all had osu in their top three. The great ones don't grow on trees. They are highly coveted by all the blue bloods.
I have no doubt Scott can coach and coach very well. He hasn't forgotten how to run an offense and defense. I think he got away from his bread and butter...recruiting hungry players from the West. It's hard to blend a bunch of 4/5 star talents who don't have an agenda. Not all do but some do. In addition,the portal and covid hurt osu in addition to key injuries. Keep the core group of this roster together,and I think success will come back again in a tougher PAC-10.
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 11:43:29 GMT -8
Starting lineup of: 1. Transfer PG 2. Talia 3. Adlee 4. Timea 5. Raegan Would be very solid. I’ve been so impressed with Adlee’s play as of late and if she continues to shoot the ball this well, she could make a Tudor-esque jump next season. Pair that with a healthy Talia and an additional year of experience for Raegan and Timea and things should start trending up. Overall still a pretty young lineup, but a talented, seasoned PG transfer would go a long way. While I am a little worried about how the recent results could affect the quality of recruiting/transfer portal, hopefully recruits see there is still a lot of potential/talent. Obviously keeping everyone, but especially those four above, is really important. If the potential portal player looks at the Beavs record they may not even give the Beavs a sniff, but with most of these players knowing each other, or knowing of each other, the opportunity to play a couple years or more with Raegan, Timea and company may be very attractive. If coaches can get their attention, they could sell them on past success with similar young talent. As for who stays, we certainly don't have the answer, but of the four mentioned above, Talia has already address Beaver Nation saying "see you next season", Raegan has been all positive about Oregon State, and Adlee has stated that SR "has been great with the freshmen". None of that means things will go the Beavs way, but it's better than hearing negative stuff from the players. Yeah, I think it's pretty safe to assume TVO will be back and it certainly seems as if Beers isn't thinking about leaving. I agree that if the core group of freshmen stay, that could be a good draw for some players in the portal. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 12:17:08 GMT -8
It just seems to me a number of our better players were developed versus coming in as elite 4/5 star recruits. Ruth was very raw out of Canada,Hunter had one other PAC-12 offer in Arizona,Goodman was a pure shooter as was Tudor and didn't have elite offer sheets,Guliich was a foreign player,so she didn't have tons of offers,Hansen was more of a 3* player out of So. Cal,etc. How many of the great players who had elite offer sheets have become elite at osu? Goforth? Kampschroeder? Brown? Jones? Etc. Nope The thought that Scott hadn't tried to recruit an elite difference maker point guard is false. Williams from Dallas Texas(Stanford starter) Jordin Canada(Ucla star) Ionescu(uo) all had osu in their top three. The great ones don't grow on trees. They are highly coveted by all the blue bloods. I have no doubt Scott can coach and coach very well. He hasn't forgotten how to run an offense and defense. I think he got away from his bread and butter...recruiting hungry players from the West. It's hard to blend a bunch of 4/5 star talents who don't have an agenda. Not all do but some do. In addition,the portal and covid hurt osu in addition to key injuries. Keep the core group of this roster together,and I think success will come back again in a tougher PAC-10. During the seven seasons (2013-14 to 19-20) of strong success for the program, the Beavers had Wiese, Weisner, Pivec, McWilliams, Goodman (she was a 4-star recruit), Siegner (4-star) and added transfer Destiny Slocum (McDonalds' AA and No. 7 overall). All 4 or 5 star players. As far as foreign players, Hamblin was probably more of a project, but Gulich and Aquino very well could have been ranked highly had they played high school hoops in the U.S. Yes, Rueck was able to fill out rosters with players like Ali Gibson, Hanson, Corosdale and Hunter, but every program does that. Goforth, Kampschroeder, Brown and Jones all left OSU (Jones was all-Pac-12 as a sophomore), so not sure what your point is there. It seems as if you're basing your whole premise on those players leaving. And what about Beers? She has been great this season. What's wrong with having Gardiner? Her potential is extremely high. Blending in 4-star and 5-star players is exactly what Rueck did to reach those highs that the program had during that period. |
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Post by qbeaver on Feb 25, 2023 12:37:41 GMT -8
It just seems to me a number of our better players were developed versus coming in as elite 4/5 star recruits. Ruth was very raw out of Canada,Hunter had one other PAC-12 offer in Arizona,Goodman was a pure shooter as was Tudor and didn't have elite offer sheets,Guliich was a foreign player,so she didn't have tons of offers,Hansen was more of a 3* player out of So. Cal,etc. How many of the great players who had elite offer sheets have become elite at osu? Goforth? Kampschroeder? Brown? Jones? Etc. Nope The thought that Scott hadn't tried to recruit an elite difference maker point guard is false. Williams from Dallas Texas(Stanford starter) Jordin Canada(Ucla star) Ionescu(uo) all had osu in their top three. The great ones don't grow on trees. They are highly coveted by all the blue blood I have no doubt Scott can coach and coach very well. He hasn't forgotten how to run an offense and defense. I think he got away from his bread and butter...recruiting hungry players from the West. It's hard to blend a bunch of 4/5 star talents who don't have an agenda. Not all do but some do. In addition,the portal and covid hurt osu in addition to key injuries. Keep the core group of this roster together,and I think success will come back again in a tougher PAC-10. During the seven seasons (2013-14 to 19-20) of strong success for the program, the Beavers had Wiese, Weisner, Pivec, McWilliams, Goodman (she was a 4-star recruit), Siegner (4-star) and added transfer Destiny Slocum (McDonalds' AA and No. 7 overall). All 4 or 5 star players. As far as foreign players, Hamblin was probably more of a project, but Gulich and Aquino very well could have been ranked highly had they played high school hoops in the U.S. Yes, Rueck was able to fill out rosters with players like Ali Gibson, Hanson, Corosdale and Hunter, but every program does that. Goforth, Kampschroeder, Brown and Jones all left OSU (Jones was all-Pac-12 as a sophomore), so not sure what your point is there. It seems as if you're basing your whole premise on those players leaving. And what about Beers? She has been great this season. What's wrong with having Gardiner? Her potential is extremely high. Blending in 4-star and 5-star players is exactly what Rueck did to reach those highs that the program had during that period. My point is this. Just because osu has gotten a higher level of recruit after having success,fans expect osu to be able to continue that success based on who we signed. It's about blending a team together to make a solid unit. Getting more highly recruited players from far away is more challenging to blend together. Each was a star in high school,and not all are willing to sacrifice for the team. Kampschroeder,Goforth,Jones,and Brown were four of the highest recruited athletes Scott has signed in his tenure at osu. None were as good as Goodman,Pivic,Guliich,Weise,etc. None of those 5 star national recruits have become comparably good at the college level. The rating system for women's basketball prospects is very generous to say the least. Much more generous than boys prospect ratings. Way more 4* players in the women's game than the boys. Some of those players you said were 4 star recruits didn't have anywhere to the offer sheets as Gardiner,Kampschroeder,Goforth,etc. I would call them 3 star players. We have no idea if Gardner,Beers,or any of the frosh will stay at osu. I have no reason to believe they will leave,and only Beav74 is the guy who has a true insider that I know of I would trust to know. Imo Osu needs to stay recruiting on the West coast in general,,and get a blend of 4 and 3 star recruits and build a team that way. Keeping athletes for several years in the program is the key to stability,and the further away we recruit athletes,the harder it is to keep them in thevportal era...especially the highly regarded prospects. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 25, 2023 13:01:43 GMT -8
It just seems to me a number of our better players were developed versus coming in as elite 4/5 star recruits. Ruth was very raw out of Canada,Hunter had one other PAC-12 offer in Arizona,Goodman was a pure shooter as was Tudor and didn't have elite offer sheets,Guliich was a foreign player,so she didn't have tons of offers,Hansen was more of a 3* player out of So. Cal,etc. How many of the great players who had elite offer sheets have become elite at osu? Goforth? Kampschroeder? Brown? Jones? Etc. Nope The thought that Scott hadn't tried to recruit an elite difference maker point guard is false. Williams from Dallas Texas(Stanford starter) Jordin Canada(Ucla star) Ionescu(uo) all had osu in their top three. The great ones don't grow on trees. They are highly coveted by all the blue bloods. I have no doubt Scott can coach and coach very well. He hasn't forgotten how to run an offense and defense. I think he got away from his bread and butter...recruiting hungry players from the West. It's hard to blend a bunch of 4/5 star talents who don't have an agenda. Not all do but some do. In addition,the portal and covid hurt osu in addition to key injuries. Keep the core group of this roster together,and I think success will come back again in a tougher PAC-10. During the seven seasons (2013-14 to 19-20) of strong success for the program, the Beavers had Wiese, Weisner, Pivec, McWilliams, Goodman (she was a 4-star recruit), Siegner (4-star) and added transfer Destiny Slocum (McDonalds' AA and No. 7 overall). All 4 or 5 star players. As far as foreign players, Hamblin was probably more of a project, but Gulich and Aquino very well could have been ranked highly had they played high school hoops in the U.S. Yes, Rueck was able to fill out rosters with players like Ali Gibson, Hanson, Corosdale and Hunter, but every program does that. Goforth, Kampschroeder, Brown and Jones all left OSU (Jones was all-Pac-12 as a sophomore), so not sure what your point is there. It seems as if you're basing your whole premise on those players leaving. And what about Beers? She has been great this season. What's wrong with having Gardiner? Her potential is extremely high. Blending in 4-star and 5-star players is exactly what Rueck did to reach those highs that the program had during that period. Ali Gibson was far from a roster filler, she was the best recruit for Rueck at the time. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 25, 2023 13:04:49 GMT -8
During the seven seasons (2013-14 to 19-20) of strong success for the program, the Beavers had Wiese, Weisner, Pivec, McWilliams, Goodman (she was a 4-star recruit), Siegner (4-star) and added transfer Destiny Slocum (McDonalds' AA and No. 7 overall). All 4 or 5 star players. As far as foreign players, Hamblin was probably more of a project, but Gulich and Aquino very well could have been ranked highly had they played high school hoops in the U.S. Yes, Rueck was able to fill out rosters with players like Ali Gibson, Hanson, Corosdale and Hunter, but every program does that. Goforth, Kampschroeder, Brown and Jones all left OSU (Jones was all-Pac-12 as a sophomore), so not sure what your point is there. It seems as if you're basing your whole premise on those players leaving. And what about Beers? She has been great this season. What's wrong with having Gardiner? Her potential is extremely high. Blending in 4-star and 5-star players is exactly what Rueck did to reach those highs that the program had during that period. My point is this. Just because osu has gotten a higher level of recruit after having success,fans expect osu to be able to continue that success based on who we signed. It's about blending a team together to make a solid unit. Getting more highly recruited players from far away is more challenging to blend together. Each was a star in high school,and not all are willing to sacrifice for the team. Kampschroeder,Goforth,Jones,and Brown were four of the highest recruited athletes Scott has signed in his tenure at osu. None were as good as Goodman,Pivic,Guliich,Weise,etc. None of those 5 star national recruits have become comparably good at the college level. The rating system for women's basketball prospects is very generous to say the least. Much more generous than boys prospect ratings. Way more 4* players in the women's game than the boys. Some of those players you said were 4 star recruits didn't have anywhere to the offer sheets as Gardiner,Kampschroeder,Goforth,etc. I would call them 3 star players. We have no idea if Gardner,Beers,or any of the frosh will stay at osu. I have no reason to believe they will leave,and only Beav74 is the guy who has a true insider that I know of I would trust to know. Imo Osu needs to stay recruiting on the West coast in general,,and get a blend of 4 and 3 star recruits and build a team that way. Keeping athletes for several years in the program is the key to stability,and the further away we recruit athletes,the harder it is to keep them in thevportal era...especially the highly regarded prospects. I agree that maybe expectations get too high because of the recruiting, but that's something that happens with successful programs. As for Jones, Brown, Goforth and Kampschroeder...Jones was playing at a pretty high level (all-Pac-12) at OSU before getting injured. Brown was also injured but has not panned out completely since, however, she is a very good defensive player and rebounder. Goforth fought a disease her entire career. Kampschroeder has not been all that great. Those are issues that happen. It has nothing to do with how they were rated. Again, the Beavers were successful during those seven seasons because Rueck was able to bring in and retain key 4 and 5 star players. It became an issue when those players started to leave, for whatever reason. We'll see about staying on the West Coast. Covid was a factor in some players wanting to play closer to home. I'm not sure if that's going to be much of an issue moving forward. The portal is always going to be an easy out for players who want one. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 25, 2023 13:13:31 GMT -8
Blaming everything on covid and the portal kind of ignores that literally EVERY team in the country faced the exact same thing the last several years. Many programs have thrived in spite of those 2 challenges. OSU obviously has not. I'm not blaming everything on covid and the portal but it has definitely changed the landscape of college ball. 18-19. D1 transfers 589. P5 transfers 119 19-20. 490. 122 20-21. 1159. 236 21-22. 1331. 269 Covid and the subsequent opening of the portal doubled the number of transfers. To say it has nothing to do with it is ludicrous. |
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