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Post by ocbeav on Feb 24, 2023 9:45:28 GMT -8
Yea a lot of work to do for SR to keep younger players from bolting to a winning program. If he is not able do that then need to walk away like Gary Andersen and retired. That might be the most insulting thing you could post about SR. GA did not "retire". And, SR has not done anything close to what GA did. GA is at Weber State as volunteer with retirement income. 4 players bolted on SR last year so there is something wrong with his program. You may not like what we are saying, we are frustrating with many losses. |
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Post by standerd on Feb 24, 2023 10:01:41 GMT -8
Mannen played 24 min and only 1 point. Sounds like SR doesn’t care about winning that fans want to see. He is enjoying long term contract. Mannen's line was actually relatively better than Hansford's and Aaron"s. And why Pietsch didn't play is beyond me. She has shown that she can handle the point, score and assist. R must have forgotten about her as he lost control of the game from a coaching perspective. I mean time outs aren't there just for show.
Mannen: 24 min, 0-2 FG, 1-2 FT, 1 PF, 5 A, 1 TO, 1 blk, 1 pts Hansford: 12 min, 0-1 FG, 2 TO, 0 pts Aaron: 10 min, 0-1 FG , 2 reb, 1 A, 0 pts
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Post by hoopheritic on Feb 24, 2023 10:08:38 GMT -8
Here's what I see (across women's college teams): Too much focus on fundamentals. When I watch Reagan, Timea, Adlee, Lily, Jelena I see really solid fundamentals. I see kids brought up getting a lot of skill training which leads to very skilled players. The problem is we have a team full of really skilled players who haven't had to battle coming up. They don't know how to win a game that has turned into a rock fight. Of the players we have that truly want to kill the other team one is out for the season, one is too small (Noelle) to be a scorer, and one (AJ) Rueck seems to have given up on in favor of straight fundamentals. Adlee may be emerging as a killer.
Fundamentals are super important during the middle ~25 minutes of a game when you need to get easy buckets in your offensive sets. But you need athletes with killer instincts to open and close a game. And when you get a lead (like we've squandered a lot this year) you need killers out there who are not satisfied and want to dig the knife in deeper.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 24, 2023 10:14:07 GMT -8
Here's what I see (across women's college teams): Too much focus on fundamentals. When I watch Reagan, Timea, Adlee, Lily, Jelena I see really solid fundamentals. I see kids brought up getting a lot of skill training which leads to very skilled players. The problem is we have a team full of really skilled players who haven't had to battle coming up. They don't know how to win a game that has turned into a rock fight. Of the players we have that truly want to kill the other team one is out for the season, one is too small (Noelle) to be a scorer, and one (AJ) Rueck seems to have given up on in favor of straight fundamentals. Adlee may be emerging as a killer. Fundamentals are super important during the middle ~25 minutes of a game when you need to get easy buckets in your offensive sets. But you need athletes with killer instincts to open and close a game. And when you get a lead (like we've squandered a lot this year) you need killers out there who are not satisfied and want to dig the knife in deeper. hoopheritic
Thank you sir for your insights and observations!
Perhaps the qualities you are looking for is something that most often (not always) is present in a top notch point guard!
Go Beavs!
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 24, 2023 10:20:43 GMT -8
That might be the most insulting thing you could post about SR. GA did not "retire". And, SR has not done anything close to what GA did. GA is at Weber State as volunteer with retirement income. 4 players bolted on SR last year so there is something wrong with his program. You may not like what we are saying, we are frustrating with many losses. GA was going to be fired for cause....so they gave him the option to leave, which he did. He did not leave money on the table for nothing. And, he did not "retire". He went to Utah and then took the Head Coaching job at Utah St. and flamed out again, leaving a dumpster fire in his wake. I've made comments in the past that I'm not a huge fan of SR off the court, but he is good coach. Comparing him to one of the worst humans on the planet is next level. You might as well say he's Lavonda Wagner while your at it. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 24, 2023 10:36:31 GMT -8
GA is at Weber State as volunteer with retirement income. 4 players bolted on SR last year so there is something wrong with his program. You may not like what we are saying, we are frustrating with many losses. GA was going to be fired for cause....so they gave him the option to leave, which he did. He did not leave money on the table for nothing. And, he did not "retire". He went to Utah and then took the Head Coaching job at Utah St. and flamed out again, leaving a dumpster fire in his wake. I've made comments in the past that I'm not a huge fan of SR off the court, but he is good coach. Comparing him to one of the worst humans on the planet is next level. You might as well say he's Lavonda Wagner while your at it. Judge Smails
I agree 100% with your analysis here. SR has done a great job in all respects overall at OSU.
Unfortunately the last few years have cast serious doubts on the win/loss aspect of the program. To me, that is a totally separate issue from character, integrity, etc.
Go Beave!
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 24, 2023 11:35:12 GMT -8
That was a good game. Bad outcome, but good game. Good to see the freshmen put up some numbers. Fought to the end, but ASU couldn't seem to miss. Really? I think we watched different games. Up 17 and lose by 2! Not my idea of a good game! If you didn't have a horse in the race, or if you were an Arizona State fan, you would say it was a good game. Even at that, it was a great game for Beaver youth to see offensive results (young Beavs still hurting defensively). Beers with 14 with 5-6 shooting, Adlee with 14 and 4-5 from 3, Gardiner with 13 points and 8 boards, AJ with a solid night. Great to see Gardiner hitting a three late in the game. I know many on the board can't see this (and you will be right if there is a major exodus), but the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future. I really enjoyed watching the freshman play. It was fun right up until the final score ruined it. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 24, 2023 11:45:22 GMT -8
Really? I think we watched different games. Up 17 and lose by 2! Not my idea of a good game! If you didn't have a horse in the race, or if you were an Arizona State fan, you would say it was a good game. Even at that, it was a great game for Beaver youth to see offensive results (young Beavs still hurting defensively). Beers with 14 with 5-6 shooting, Adlee with 14 and 4-5 from 3, Gardiner with 13 points and 8 boards, AJ with a solid night. Great to see Gardiner hitting a three late in the game. I know many on the board can't see this (and you will be right if there is a major exodus), but the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future. I really enjoyed watching the freshman play. It was fun right up until the final score ruined it. rmancarl
As usual a well presented and balanced approach.
I would normally agree with your conclusion (the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future). However in this situation, the series of late game collapses may cause more harm mentally in the future than the experience helps.
Go Beavs!
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Post by standerd on Feb 24, 2023 11:57:12 GMT -8
Really? I think we watched different games. Up 17 and lose by 2! Not my idea of a good game! If you didn't have a horse in the race, or if you were an Arizona State fan, you would say it was a good game. Even at that, it was a great game for Beaver youth to see offensive results (young Beavs still hurting defensively). Beers with 14 with 5-6 shooting, Adlee with 14 and 4-5 from 3, Gardiner with 13 points and 8 boards, AJ with a solid night. Great to see Gardiner hitting a three late in the game. I know many on the board can't see this (and you will be right if there is a major exodus), but the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future. I really enjoyed watching the freshman play. It was fun right up until the final score ruined it. Yep, you could be correct, although the collapse in this game was huge. I do hope the players learn from this game. All will come clear according to the portal and next years season. We have some really dynamic freshmen. I hope they stay together and become bonded as a team. Go Beavs. |
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Post by lotrader on Feb 24, 2023 11:58:30 GMT -8
Really? I think we watched different games. Up 17 and lose by 2! Not my idea of a good game! If you didn't have a horse in the race, or if you were an Arizona State fan, you would say it was a good game. Even at that, it was a great game for Beaver youth to see offensive results (young Beavs still hurting defensively). Beers with 14 with 5-6 shooting, Adlee with 14 and 4-5 from 3, Gardiner with 13 points and 8 boards, AJ with a solid night. Great to see Gardiner hitting a three late in the game. I know many on the board can't see this (and you will be right if there is a major exodus), but the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future. I really enjoyed watching the freshman play. It was fun right up until the final score ruined it. I'm not seeing anyone complaining about the young one's play last night or even before this game. The freshmen/sophomore classes are exciting and so much to look forward to with this group. I don't think a good game is one with as many "unforced" turnovers as the Beavs displayed last night. As much as I want to be excited for Bendu nearly getting a triple double, I was not excited that we had Mannen and Bendu in the game at the same time for many minutes. ASU effectively only had to cover one guard on the perimeter, which permitted ASU to sag off and double our BIGs in the middle. I am not promoting benching Bendu, but I am promoting having more shooters on the perimeter so we can get the ball inside to our BIGs w/o double teams. Why not bring in Martha for a spell and let her run the point with outside shooters (it has worked before). |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 24, 2023 11:59:45 GMT -8
Blacklock has been one of the few positives lately. Really need to make sure she stays in Corvallis. She could be a really good three for OSU. Who knows what will happen. She is a long way from home, but if we take what she has said about how Rueck "has been great with the freshmen", then that is a good sign. Right now, I feel good about the core group of freshmen staying. It won't be long and we'll find out. I also have a good feeling about picking up some good additions this portal season. With Bendu, Noelle, probably Jelena, and possibly another player or two leaving, there will be plenty of room to pick up some good players. If the staff can't do that, I have to wonder if SR needs to make some staffing changes. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 24, 2023 12:09:52 GMT -8
If you didn't have a horse in the race, or if you were an Arizona State fan, you would say it was a good game. Even at that, it was a great game for Beaver youth to see offensive results (young Beavs still hurting defensively). Beers with 14 with 5-6 shooting, Adlee with 14 and 4-5 from 3, Gardiner with 13 points and 8 boards, AJ with a solid night. Great to see Gardiner hitting a three late in the game. I know many on the board can't see this (and you will be right if there is a major exodus), but the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future. I really enjoyed watching the freshman play. It was fun right up until the final score ruined it. rmancarl
As usual a well presented and balanced approach.
I would normally agree with your conclusion (the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future). However in this situation, the series of late game collapses may cause more harm mentally in the future than the experience helps.
Go Beavs!
Maybe, but the chances of mental harm are slim and none. You could use Arizona State as an example. They failed many times this season, and some very close losses, but played like warriors last night. I think the Beavs did as well. I was impressed with the Beavs young talent offensively. They have a way to go defensively, but also, ASU shot lights out, even when well defended. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 24, 2023 12:13:41 GMT -8
Blacklock has been one of the few positives lately. Really need to make sure she stays in Corvallis. She could be a really good three for OSU. Who knows what will happen. She is a long way from home, but if we take what she has said about how Rueck "has been great with the freshmen", then that is a good sign. Right now, I feel good about the core group of freshmen staying. It won't be long and we'll find out. I also have a good feeling about picking up some good additions this portal season. With Bendu, Noelle, probably Jelena, and possibly another player or two leaving, there will be plenty of room to pick up some good players. If the staff can't do that, I have to wonder if SR needs to make some staffing changes. rmancarl
I am not as comfortable, as you apparently are, with losing possibly Jelena and another player or two. I think the entire present group other than Bendu and Noelle need to be in place for significant improvement to occur.
Also since SR is (a) unwilling or (b) unable to recruit or portal in a quality point guard, the Beavs better be as strong as possible at every other position to try to compensate for that deficiency,
Thanks again for your thoughtful and courteous contributions!
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 24, 2023 12:20:08 GMT -8
If you didn't have a horse in the race, or if you were an Arizona State fan, you would say it was a good game. Even at that, it was a great game for Beaver youth to see offensive results (young Beavs still hurting defensively). Beers with 14 with 5-6 shooting, Adlee with 14 and 4-5 from 3, Gardiner with 13 points and 8 boards, AJ with a solid night. Great to see Gardiner hitting a three late in the game. I know many on the board can't see this (and you will be right if there is a major exodus), but the experience of games like this will play major dividends in the future. I really enjoyed watching the freshman play. It was fun right up until the final score ruined it. I'm not seeing anyone complaining about the young one's play last night or even before this game. The freshmen/sophomore classes are exciting and so much to look forward to with this group. I don't think a good game is one with as many "unforced" turnovers as the Beavs displayed last night. As much as I want to be excited for Bendu nearly getting a triple double, I was not excited that we had Mannen and Bendu in the game at the same time for many minutes. ASU effectively only had to cover one guard on the perimeter, which permitted ASU to sag off and double our BIGs in the middle. I am not promoting benching Bendu, but I am promoting having more shooters on the perimeter so we can get the ball inside to our BIGs w/o double teams. Why not bring in Martha for a spell and let her run the point with outside shooters (it has worked before). I think Martha is pretty good, so I am curious about coaches decisions in that regard. I would have liked to see her have a lot more minutes earlier in the season. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 24, 2023 12:37:42 GMT -8
I'm not seeing anyone complaining about the young one's play last night or even before this game. The freshmen/sophomore classes are exciting and so much to look forward to with this group. I don't think a good game is one with as many "unforced" turnovers as the Beavs displayed last night. As much as I want to be excited for Bendu nearly getting a triple double, I was not excited that we had Mannen and Bendu in the game at the same time for many minutes. ASU effectively only had to cover one guard on the perimeter, which permitted ASU to sag off and double our BIGs in the middle. I am not promoting benching Bendu, but I am promoting having more shooters on the perimeter so we can get the ball inside to our BIGs w/o double teams. Why not bring in Martha for a spell and let her run the point with outside shooters (it has worked before). I think Martha is pretty good, so I am curious about coaches decisions in that regard. I would have liked to see her have a lot more minutes earlier in the season. If Martha is not injured, then I believe SR is making it crystal clear that he does not value her contributions and/or potential very much by not playing her.
If so, that approach would fall right in line with his inability or inclination to have a true point guard on the team.
Most, if not all, of our current players have no doubt somewhere along the line played with a good or excellent point guard.
Not having one on the team, very possibly could be a significant factor in whether players transfer portal or stay.
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