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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 20, 2023 12:50:45 GMT -8
Skyrider, I say this in all seriousness. You are a great example of what civility should look like on the internet and social media.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 12:55:22 GMT -8
Skyrider, I say this in all seriousness. You are a great example of what civility should look like on the internet and social media. fridaynightlights
Thank you sir! Also may I say you have one great name for posting!
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 20, 2023 13:08:44 GMT -8
Skyrider, I say this in all seriousness. You are a great example of what civility should look like on the internet and social media. fridaynightlights
Thank you sir! Also may I say you have one great name for posting!
I read the book when it first came out before the movie and TV series. A few years later I spent a year teaching and coaching HS football in Texas and found out that indeed they take their HS football VERY seriously in the lone star state. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 13:14:43 GMT -8
fridaynightlights
Thank you sir! Also may I say you have one great name for posting!
I read the book when it first came out before the movie and TV series. A few years later I spent a year teaching and coaching HS football in Texas and found out that indeed they take their HS football VERY seriously in the lone star state. fridaynightlights
I served two tours of duty in Vietnam in the U.S. Navy. From what I have read about high school football in Texas, you probably had a more dangerous time than I did! (grin).
Go Beavs!
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 20, 2023 13:54:41 GMT -8
. My guess is (Senior) Aleah would have added 5+ wins for this team, and Aleah with a Talia whose shooting touch was back to last season would have made the Beavs a 20+ win team. rmancarl,
As always thank you for your valuable contribution.
My response to your comment is "If wishes were horses, we all could ride"(grin).
On a more serious note, what is your best guesstimate of the odds that SR will actually acquire a quality point guard from the transfer portal?
I will throw my hat in the ring with a guess of less than 10% chance that he will do so.
Go Beavs!
First, you would need to define point guard. I've read a lot about PG's on this board in the last couple months, but then when someone describes what they really want, it's not always my view of a PG. Or, people think they are a dime a dozen, as if it were raining PG's but it never rains over Corvallis. My description of a player who I would consider a true point guard is Olivia Miles of Notre Dame. Although I think she would help the Beavs, I don't think she would be an answer for the Beavs this season. Olivia Miles is shooting .231 from 3, and the Beavs this season, needed 3pt shooters more than anything else, including a true PG. Olivia also has 89 TO's which is way too many for most on this board (it doesn't necessarily bother me though). Anyway, back to your question, I'll agree completely with you on the chances of landing a PG in the mode of Olivia. Actually, I won't be heartbroken if Donovyn Hunter gets a lot of minutes at PG next year. She plays tough D, is a good passer and ball handler, but probably not a great 3pt shooter, which is still what I think the Beavs need more than anything else. If your question was 'will the Beavs land a combo guard in the portal'? To that, I would say 60%+ chance. If they lose Aaron and Blacklock, I would shoot that percentage up to 80%. I'll say it as much as anybody, SR has been a net loser in the Portal. I think he has been a little reluctant to use the portal, and wants to rely on players in the program, or he's just a poor portal recruiter. That has burned him. I'm hoping he has learned. Depending on how many, if any, the Beavs lose this offseason, I'd like to see him bring in someone who will be a true Sophomore or Junior who can grow with Raegan, Timea, etc. and a veteran, hopefully who can handle the ball, and shoot the 3. I'm fine with a true PG, or a combo guard. The Beavs also need a backup big. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 14:05:57 GMT -8
rmancarl,
As always thank you for your valuable contribution.
My response to your comment is "If wishes were horses, we all could ride"(grin).
On a more serious note, what is your best guesstimate of the odds that SR will actually acquire a quality point guard from the transfer portal?
I will throw my hat in the ring with a guess of less than 10% chance that he will do so.
Go Beavs!
First, you would need to define point guard. I've read a lot about PG's on this board in the last couple months, but then when someone describes what they really want, it's not always my view of a PG. Or, people think they are a dime a dozen, as if it were raining PG's but it never rains over Corvallis. My description of a player who I would consider a true point guard is Olivia Miles of Notre Dame. Although I think she would help the Beavs, I don't think she would be an answer for the Beavs this season. Olivia Miles is shooting .231 from 3, and the Beavs this season, needed 3pt shooters more than anything else, including a true PG. Olivia also has 89 TO's which is way too many for most on this board (it doesn't necessarily bother me though). Anyway, back to your question, I'll agree completely with you on the chances of landing a PG in the mode of Olivia. Actually, I won't be heartbroken if Donovyn Hunter gets a lot of minutes at PG next year. She plays tough D, is a good passer and ball handler, but probably not a great 3pt shooter, which is still what I think the Beavs need more than anything else. If your question was 'will the Beavs land a combo guard in the portal'? To that, I would say 60%+ chance. If they lose Aaron and Blacklock, I would shoot that percentage up to 80%. I'll say it as much as anybody, SR has been a net loser in the Portal. I think he has been a little reluctant to use the portal, and wants to rely on players in the program, or he's just a poor portal recruiter. That has burned him. I'm hoping he has learned. Depending on how many, if any, the Beavs lose this offseason, I'd like to see him bring in someone who will be a true Sophomore or Junior who can grow with Raegan, Timea, etc. and a veteran, hopefully who can handle the ball, and shoot the 3. I'm fine with a true PG, or a combo guard. The Beavs also need a backup big. rmancarl
So well said I would like to have stolen it!(grin) However that would be plagarism (sp?) which I can not even spell, so I probably better not do it.
I certainly hope your %'s are right but given the past performances in the portal, I have serious doubts!
Go Beavs!
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Post by fridaynightlights on Feb 20, 2023 15:08:42 GMT -8
rmancarl,
As always thank you for your valuable contribution.
My response to your comment is "If wishes were horses, we all could ride"(grin).
On a more serious note, what is your best guesstimate of the odds that SR will actually acquire a quality point guard from the transfer portal?
I will throw my hat in the ring with a guess of less than 10% chance that he will do so.
Go Beavs!
First, you would need to define point guard. I've read a lot about PG's on this board in the last couple months, but then when someone describes what they really want, it's not always my view of a PG. Or, people think they are a dime a dozen, as if it were raining PG's but it never rains over Corvallis. My description of a player who I would consider a true point guard is Olivia Miles of Notre Dame. Although I think she would help the Beavs, I don't think she would be an answer for the Beavs this season. Olivia Miles is shooting .231 from 3, and the Beavs this season, needed 3pt shooters more than anything else, including a true PG. Olivia also has 89 TO's which is way too many for most on this board (it doesn't necessarily bother me though). Anyway, back to your question, I'll agree completely with you on the chances of landing a PG in the mode of Olivia. Actually, I won't be heartbroken if Donovyn Hunter gets a lot of minutes at PG next year. She plays tough D, is a good passer and ball handler, but probably not a great 3pt shooter, which is still what I think the Beavs need more than anything else. If your question was 'will the Beavs land a combo guard in the portal'? To that, I would say 60%+ chance. If they lose Aaron and Blacklock, I would shoot that percentage up to 80%. I'll say it as much as anybody, SR has been a net loser in the Portal. I think he has been a little reluctant to use the portal, and wants to rely on players in the program, or he's just a poor portal recruiter. That has burned him. I'm hoping he has learned. Depending on how many, if any, the Beavs lose this offseason, I'd like to see him bring in someone who will be a true Sophomore or Junior who can grow with Raegan, Timea, etc. and a veteran, hopefully who can handle the ball, and shoot the 3. I'm fine with a true PG, or a combo guard. The Beavs also need a backup big. I think the vast majority of coaches would prefer to go back to the good old days of recruiting a HS player and most likely having them for 4 years. They could develop their players and for the most part predict what the roster would look like in the coming seasons. Obviously, those days are gone forever. SR has proven he is a winning coach, at least in the past, the question is can he successfully adapt to the changing college game. The best coaches/programs do honest self-scouting in the offseason, determining where they need to improve. It will be interesting to see if they can "win" in the portal this offseason. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 20, 2023 19:20:13 GMT -8
rmancarl,
As always thank you for your valuable contribution.
My response to your comment is "If wishes were horses, we all could ride"(grin).
On a more serious note, what is your best guesstimate of the odds that SR will actually acquire a quality point guard from the transfer portal?
I will throw my hat in the ring with a guess of less than 10% chance that he will do so.
Go Beavs!
First, you would need to define point guard. I've read a lot about PG's on this board in the last couple months, but then when someone describes what they really want, it's not always my view of a PG. Or, people think they are a dime a dozen, as if it were raining PG's but it never rains over Corvallis. My description of a player who I would consider a true point guard is Olivia Miles of Notre Dame. Although I think she would help the Beavs, I don't think she would be an answer for the Beavs this season. Olivia Miles is shooting .231 from 3, and the Beavs this season, needed 3pt shooters more than anything else, including a true PG. Olivia also has 89 TO's which is way too many for most on this board (it doesn't necessarily bother me though). Anyway, back to your question, I'll agree completely with you on the chances of landing a PG in the mode of Olivia. Actually, I won't be heartbroken if Donovyn Hunter gets a lot of minutes at PG next year. She plays tough D, is a good passer and ball handler, but probably not a great 3pt shooter, which is still what I think the Beavs need more than anything else. If your question was 'will the Beavs land a combo guard in the portal'? To that, I would say 60%+ chance. If they lose Aaron and Blacklock, I would shoot that percentage up to 80%. I'll say it as much as anybody, SR has been a net loser in the Portal. I think he has been a little reluctant to use the portal, and wants to rely on players in the program, or he's just a poor portal recruiter. That has burned him. I'm hoping he has learned. Depending on how many, if any, the Beavs lose this offseason, I'd like to see him bring in someone who will be a true Sophomore or Junior who can grow with Raegan, Timea, etc. and a veteran, hopefully who can handle the ball, and shoot the 3. I'm fine with a true PG, or a combo guard. The Beavs also need a backup big. Agree that Miles is a true point guard. She might not shoot the 3 all that well but the thing she does that is missing in a big way on this OSU team is distribute the ball to scorers. She has 186 assists, which is an astronomical number and makes her 89 TOs easily in the acceptable range. Compare that to Yeaney, who has 75 assists and 63 turnovers. TVO, who does not typically bring the ball down the court, has 86 assists and 60 turnovers. What I would like to see is a point guard who has the speed/quickness of Yeaney (or at least somewhat close) but a much better passer and "quarterback" in general. I think TVO and everyone else will benefit with many more open looks and the 3s will start falling. The PG has to be somewhat of a 3-point threat. Obviously no Pac-12 defense respects Yeaney's perimeter shooting. The PG that fits best might be one of the two incoming freshmen or a portal pickup. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 20:03:24 GMT -8
First, you would need to define point guard. I've read a lot about PG's on this board in the last couple months, but then when someone describes what they really want, it's not always my view of a PG. Or, people think they are a dime a dozen, as if it were raining PG's but it never rains over Corvallis. My description of a player who I would consider a true point guard is Olivia Miles of Notre Dame. Although I think she would help the Beavs, I don't think she would be an answer for the Beavs this season. Olivia Miles is shooting .231 from 3, and the Beavs this season, needed 3pt shooters more than anything else, including a true PG. Olivia also has 89 TO's which is way too many for most on this board (it doesn't necessarily bother me though). Anyway, back to your question, I'll agree completely with you on the chances of landing a PG in the mode of Olivia. Actually, I won't be heartbroken if Donovyn Hunter gets a lot of minutes at PG next year. She plays tough D, is a good passer and ball handler, but probably not a great 3pt shooter, which is still what I think the Beavs need more than anything else. If your question was 'will the Beavs land a combo guard in the portal'? To that, I would say 60%+ chance. If they lose Aaron and Blacklock, I would shoot that percentage up to 80%. I'll say it as much as anybody, SR has been a net loser in the Portal. I think he has been a little reluctant to use the portal, and wants to rely on players in the program, or he's just a poor portal recruiter. That has burned him. I'm hoping he has learned. Depending on how many, if any, the Beavs lose this offseason, I'd like to see him bring in someone who will be a true Sophomore or Junior who can grow with Raegan, Timea, etc. and a veteran, hopefully who can handle the ball, and shoot the 3. I'm fine with a true PG, or a combo guard. The Beavs also need a backup big. Agree that Miles is a true point guard. She might not shoot the 3 all that well but the thing she does that is missing in a big way on this OSU team is distribute the ball to scorers. She has 186 assists, which is an astronomical number and makes her 89 TOs easily in the acceptable range. Compare that to Yeaney, who has 75 assists and 63 turnovers. TVO, who does not typically bring the ball down the court, has 86 assists and 60 turnovers. What I would like to see is a point guard who has the speed/quickness of Yeaney (or at least somewhat close) but a much better passer and "quarterback" in general. I think TVO and everyone else will benefit with many more open looks and the 3s will start falling. The PG has to be somewhat of a 3-point threat. Obviously no Pac-12 defense respects Yeaney's perimeter shooting. The PG that fits best might be one of the two incoming freshmen or a portal pickup. grayman.
Thanks for providing the facts and figures to back up your always excellent observations.
Is it too much to hope for that Martha may improve enough to accomplish what is needed?
Her minutes are so limited obviously SR does not think so, which of course can then be a "self-fulfilling prophecy" . That is -he does not play her thus she can not possibly be good enough!
What is your view of her possibilities? Yes, she is short but she does seem to do some other things well in the small slices of time that she is on the court.
Go Beavs!
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Post by grayman on Feb 20, 2023 21:20:45 GMT -8
Agree that Miles is a true point guard. She might not shoot the 3 all that well but the thing she does that is missing in a big way on this OSU team is distribute the ball to scorers. She has 186 assists, which is an astronomical number and makes her 89 TOs easily in the acceptable range. Compare that to Yeaney, who has 75 assists and 63 turnovers. TVO, who does not typically bring the ball down the court, has 86 assists and 60 turnovers. What I would like to see is a point guard who has the speed/quickness of Yeaney (or at least somewhat close) but a much better passer and "quarterback" in general. I think TVO and everyone else will benefit with many more open looks and the 3s will start falling. The PG has to be somewhat of a 3-point threat. Obviously no Pac-12 defense respects Yeaney's perimeter shooting. The PG that fits best might be one of the two incoming freshmen or a portal pickup. grayman.
Thanks for providing the facts and figures to back up your always excellent observations.
Is it too much to hope for that Martha may improve enough to accomplish what is needed?
Her minutes are so limited obviously SR does not think so, which of course can then be a "self-fulfilling prophecy" . That is -he does not play her thus she can not possibly be good enough!
What is your view of her possibilities? Yes, she is short but she does seem to do some other things well in the small slices of time that she is on the court.
Go Beavs!
I think Rueck does not play Martha much because he prefers Yeaney. I would say Yeaney is quicker, a better defender and better at taking the ball to the hoop. She's also five inches taller. But IMO Martha does have a better sense of the position. She seems to fit that "quarterback" role pretty well. I think she's inconsistent as a scorer but it would be interesting to see more of her although judging by the few minutes that she does get, I think she's more suited as a backup. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 21, 2023 9:22:35 GMT -8
First, you would need to define point guard. I've read a lot about PG's on this board in the last couple months, but then when someone describes what they really want, it's not always my view of a PG. Or, people think they are a dime a dozen, as if it were raining PG's but it never rains over Corvallis. My description of a player who I would consider a true point guard is Olivia Miles of Notre Dame. Although I think she would help the Beavs, I don't think she would be an answer for the Beavs this season. Olivia Miles is shooting .231 from 3, and the Beavs this season, needed 3pt shooters more than anything else, including a true PG. Olivia also has 89 TO's which is way too many for most on this board (it doesn't necessarily bother me though). Anyway, back to your question, I'll agree completely with you on the chances of landing a PG in the mode of Olivia. Actually, I won't be heartbroken if Donovyn Hunter gets a lot of minutes at PG next year. She plays tough D, is a good passer and ball handler, but probably not a great 3pt shooter, which is still what I think the Beavs need more than anything else. If your question was 'will the Beavs land a combo guard in the portal'? To that, I would say 60%+ chance. If they lose Aaron and Blacklock, I would shoot that percentage up to 80%. I'll say it as much as anybody, SR has been a net loser in the Portal. I think he has been a little reluctant to use the portal, and wants to rely on players in the program, or he's just a poor portal recruiter. That has burned him. I'm hoping he has learned. Depending on how many, if any, the Beavs lose this offseason, I'd like to see him bring in someone who will be a true Sophomore or Junior who can grow with Raegan, Timea, etc. and a veteran, hopefully who can handle the ball, and shoot the 3. I'm fine with a true PG, or a combo guard. The Beavs also need a backup big. Agree that Miles is a true point guard. She might not shoot the 3 all that well but the thing she does that is missing in a big way on this OSU team is distribute the ball to scorers. She has 186 assists, which is an astronomical number and makes her 89 TOs easily in the acceptable range. Compare that to Yeaney, who has 75 assists and 63 turnovers. TVO, who does not typically bring the ball down the court, has 86 assists and 60 turnovers. What I would like to see is a point guard who has the speed/quickness of Yeaney (or at least somewhat close) but a much better passer and "quarterback" in general. I think TVO and everyone else will benefit with many more open looks and the 3s will start falling. The PG has to be somewhat of a 3-point threat. Obviously no Pac-12 defense respects Yeaney's perimeter shooting. The PG that fits best might be one of the two incoming freshmen or a portal pickup. Miles distributing the ball to scorers is exactly why I said she would have helped the Beavs, but not been the answer for this season. To distribute to scorers, you must have scorers, and the Beavs have been woefully short on 'scorers' the past two seasons. We'll have to see who sticks around for next season, but the play of Timea, Adlee, and Lily late in the season bodes well for players who can put the ball in the basket. That along with Raegan's play, the hopeful return of Talia, and continued development for AJ etc. would be beneficial as well. I hope SR doesn't rely on 'hoping' all his youth is the answer for next season. Even if the Beavs didn't have any losses to the portal, picking up a player with size, and a ball handling/distributing guard would be ideal. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 21, 2023 11:03:09 GMT -8
I am sure that Rueck will be recruiting in the portal but as I've said before, recruiting is not necessarily signing. That said, I also hope he can get a post and a point guard that are ready to play.
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Post by grayman on Feb 21, 2023 11:51:14 GMT -8
Agree that Miles is a true point guard. She might not shoot the 3 all that well but the thing she does that is missing in a big way on this OSU team is distribute the ball to scorers. She has 186 assists, which is an astronomical number and makes her 89 TOs easily in the acceptable range. Compare that to Yeaney, who has 75 assists and 63 turnovers. TVO, who does not typically bring the ball down the court, has 86 assists and 60 turnovers. What I would like to see is a point guard who has the speed/quickness of Yeaney (or at least somewhat close) but a much better passer and "quarterback" in general. I think TVO and everyone else will benefit with many more open looks and the 3s will start falling. The PG has to be somewhat of a 3-point threat. Obviously no Pac-12 defense respects Yeaney's perimeter shooting. The PG that fits best might be one of the two incoming freshmen or a portal pickup. Miles distributing the ball to scorers is exactly why I said she would have helped the Beavs, but not been the answer for this season. To distribute to scorers, you must have scorers, and the Beavs have been woefully short on 'scorers' the past two seasons. We'll have to see who sticks around for next season, but the play of Timea, Adlee, and Lily late in the season bodes well for players who can put the ball in the basket. That along with Raegan's play, the hopeful return of Talia, and continued development for AJ etc. would be beneficial as well. I hope SR doesn't rely on 'hoping' all his youth is the answer for next season. Even if the Beavs didn't have any losses to the portal, picking up a player with size, and a ball handling/distributing guard would be ideal. It's the old chicken or egg conundrum...do the Beavers lack scorers or would a "true" point guard unleash players who are latent scorers? Obviously, I lean toward the latter, especially now that we've seen a little more of the freshmen. Both Adlee and Lily would/will blossom even more as scorers with a "true" PG. Especially Lily, who is mostly a 3-point threat. I think Timea and probably Adlee can create on offense, but the addition of a PG with even above average passing ability would help them greatly. TVO would benefit as well. I do think there are a few reasons for her struggles shooting the ball. She's no doubt off physically. I think she's lost confidence in her shot. She is not making good decisions on which shots to take. I think the chemistry problems on the team have thrown her off as well. I think she thrives more when she has the ball in her hands in the half-court offense, but that hasn't happened as often this season because Yeaney takes a lot of that load. |
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