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Post by skyrider on Feb 19, 2023 20:49:01 GMT -8
I was speaking primarily to the upper echelon of the division. In person, I’m rather abrasive, especially with pac 12 refs. bmoc,
I fear that I am hyper-sensitive when I see one of the OSU teams that I truly enjoying supporting, seem to be going totally in the wrong direction.
Over the 65 years of watching, I have seen more instances than I want to recall of Athletic Directors waiting, and rationalizing, and making excuses, and every other type of procrastination when OSU sports programs crash and burn. Only years later do they finally wake up!
I do not want to bore everyone with the numerous examples of this that are available. I know we all can provide a long list!
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Post by grayman on Feb 19, 2023 21:30:00 GMT -8
Utah only beat ASU by 5 today. Nothing is a "for sure" for the last two games. Losing to ASU at Gill would be a major slap in the face. On the flip side of that sentiment, a home win against UA would be a great injection of positivity that we desperately need. Kind of like when our football team craps out all season, but beats the Ducks at the end of the season. (not using this football season as a comparison, so chill out! I attended OSU during the bleak Kragthorpe/Pettibone years) Maybe "bleak" wasn't strong enough...... Utah was without Pili. Not saying that means that OSU is going to beat ASU, but it made a huge difference for the Utes. |
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 19, 2023 21:36:31 GMT -8
Utah only beat ASU by 5 today. Nothing is a "for sure" for the last two games. Losing to ASU at Gill would be a major slap in the face. On the flip side of that sentiment, a home win against UA would be a great injection of positivity that we desperately need. Kind of like when our football team craps out all season, but beats the Ducks at the end of the season. (not using this football season as a comparison, so chill out! I attended OSU during the bleak Kragthorpe/Pettibone years) Maybe "bleak" wasn't strong enough...... *ucks have lost 9 of their last 10 conference games (including L to OSU in that run). Arizona is probably the hottest team in the Pac right now (outside of Stanford). They've won 5 of the last six with wins over UCLA, USC, Utah, and Colorado. Their only loss was to Stanford. Arizona has 6 players who have played over 600 minutes this season. All six are seniors. 3 of them are 5th year seniors. They have 3 talented, highly ranked freshman, that are not big contributors. The Ducks have a veteran backcourt that some would say is the best 1-2 combo in the conference. They have an inexperienced sophomore center. They added 4 highly ranked talented freshmen. They've lost 7 in a row and won't make the NCAA tournament unless a miracle happens. The Beavs returned a walk-on, a center that averaged 12.5mpg, and two sophomore guards, one who averaged 15mpg her freshman season, and had never scored double digits in a Pac12 game. They added a nice freshmen class of which two were very highly ranked. One was injured most of the year. They also added two in the portal, neither have been known as scorers at the power 5 level. It's going to take a while for me to think about this one, but I'm going to figure out the difference in records between these three teams if it takes me all night! Who needs sleep? |
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Post by avidbeaver on Feb 19, 2023 21:54:19 GMT -8
Assistant coaching changes....yea, the assistant coaching changes in the men's program sure turned that program around! Shelton has them playing good defense in almost all games. Unfortunately they can't find the hoop on offense. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 19, 2023 21:58:34 GMT -8
*ucks have lost 9 of their last 10 conference games (including L to OSU in that run). Arizona is probably the hottest team in the Pac right now (outside of Stanford). They've won 5 of the last six with wins over UCLA, USC, Utah, and Colorado. Their only loss was to Stanford. Arizona has 6 players who have played over 600 minutes this season. All six are seniors. 3 of them are 5th year seniors. They have 3 talented, highly ranked freshman, that are not big contributors. The Ducks have a veteran backcourt that some would say is the best 1-2 combo in the conference. They have an inexperienced sophomore center. They added 4 highly ranked talented freshmen. They've lost 7 in a row and won't make the NCAA tournament unless a miracle happens. The Beavs returned a walk-on, a center that averaged 12.5mpg, and two sophomore guards, one who averaged 15mpg her freshman season, and had never scored double digits in a Pac12 game. They added a nice freshmen class of which two were very highly ranked. One was injured most of the year. They also added two in the portal, neither have been known as scorers at the power 5 level. It's going to take a while for me to think about this one, but I'm going to figure out the difference in records between these three teams if it takes me all night! Who needs sleep? Arizona shows what experience at this level can do. It will be interesting to see how they do next year. Schmucks are under performing, they have the pieces but haven't figured out how to work together. We are inexperienced and for whatever reason play at the level of our opponents. Looks like they learned how to lose before how to win. We need the portal to give us a break or even give us a good player or two. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 19, 2023 23:43:45 GMT -8
There were some odd things in this game. In the fourth quarter when the team is trying to make up points they shot and missed three 3pt shots. One each by Bendu, Noelle, and AJ. These are, besides the posts, the worst, second worst, and third worst 3 point shooters on the team. Our best two, Adlee and Lilly, were in for 0 and 2 minutes. I sometimes think SR wants his tombstone to read "DEFENSE, and nothing else matters!!"
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Post by ag87 on Feb 20, 2023 2:02:53 GMT -8
Seriously...for a team that has seven new players! Five freshman and two transfers. Our most experienced player in the system is a sophomore! What were the expectations this year? Second place in the Pac-12 and a number 2 seed in the Tournament?? I forget. Who is responsible for the roster? Barnes is now in a bad spot. Yes, Rueck has earned some goodwill. But how do you motivate him to look at himself and make some changes that will allow OSU to be a tournament team again? There is no threat of firing because of the financials and years remaining on contract. Will Rueck do something different that allows the team to have some success? Will the fanbase be satisfied if the team somehow wins 16 conference games over the next two years? Pivec was a sophomore when the Beavs reached the Elite 8. |
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Post by jimbob on Feb 20, 2023 5:24:06 GMT -8
Utah only beat ASU by 5 today. Nothing is a "for sure" for the last two games. Losing to ASU at Gill would be a major slap in the face. On the flip side of that sentiment, a home win against UA would be a great injection of positivity that we desperately need. Kind of like when our football team craps out all season, but beats the Ducks at the end of the season. (not using this football season as a comparison, so chill out! I attended OSU during the bleak Kragthorpe/Pettibone years) Maybe "bleak" wasn't strong enough...... I agree bmoc that we need to beat ASU at Gill this coming weekend but it won't be easy---they are an improving team just like Cal was when we lost to them. ASU's last 2 games---8pt loss to Colorado and 5pt loss to Utah----probably has them thinking "hey we can beat this reeling OSU team". A little off subject here but since you mentioned the "bleak" Jerry Pettibone FB years---his 1st 2 years here '91 & '92 we were 1-10 and 1-9-1, but what probably saved his job that 1st year in '91 the team was 0-10 going into the final game of the year against UO at Autzen and was coming off of a 58-6 pasting from UW....things looked very bleak for OSU but they pulled off a miracle upset and beat UO 14-3 if I recall correctly. Hardly anyone could believe it but truth be told here is what he did to pull this off and save his job: He tanked the previous week game against UW---they were 11-0 and #3 ranked in the country so he thought there was no way he could beat them so he simply didn't prepare for them----instead he spent the entire 2 full weeks before the UO game preparing exclusively for them and was able to pull off the upset!! Now back on subject here: I don't think we'll lose any of our key players in the portal---despite the losses mounting up the team seems to be holding together well and all of the freshman are now getting lots of PT so that also helps. As far as K & D our 2 prize recruits both these girls impress me as being loyal Beavers ready to come in and help get us back on track next year. The real key to next year is for TVO to get fixed what's ailing her this off-season and come back strong and confident next year, and then I think we will be back to our normal upper echelon selves in the conference and back in the post season tournaments. Just my 2 cents worth! |
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Post by lotrader on Feb 20, 2023 7:23:39 GMT -8
While this season is a dumpster fire, ask yourself how this team would have done this season if OSU has a point guard like Aleah Goodman? Before anyone jumps down my throat and tells me the obvious that Aleah graduated, my point is this team is really only a quality PG away from having a decent season. All those close games needed a quality captain on the floor who could finish at all 3 levels, make a great assist, or get to the free throw line. That has been missing all season.
Our freshmen class in extremely encouraging. I think OSU's #1 priority is to recruit a high-quality PG that is a no-brainer starter. The football team recruited a 5-star QB in the portal. OSU needs to secure a quality PG in the portal, and our future gets much brighter next season.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 8:11:47 GMT -8
While this season is a dumpster fire, ask yourself how this team would have done this season if OSU has a point guard like Aleah Goodman? Before anyone jumps down my throat and tells me the obvious that Aleah graduated, my point is this team is really only a quality PG away from having a decent season. All those close games needed a quality captain on the floor who could finish at all 3 levels, make a great assist, or get to the free throw line. That has been missing all season. Our freshmen class in extremely encouraging. I think OSU's #1 priority is to recruit a high-quality PG that is a no-brainer starter. The football team recruited a 5-star QB in the portal. OSU needs to secure a quality PG in the portal, and our future gets much brighter next season. GO BEAVS! lotrader,
Thank you for your response and your conclusion (OSU needs to secure a quality PG in the portal, and our future gets much brighter next season). Unfortunately the one person(SR) who could possibly make that happen, has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he has no ability nor apparent inclination to do so.
I would be more than happy to have other posters provide evidence, thoughts, etc. that would indicate that I am wrong in my conclusion.
Go Beavs!
P.S. Quite possibly, his failure to acquire a point guard this past year, may have done permanent damage to our best player (TVO).
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 20, 2023 8:57:31 GMT -8
While this season is a dumpster fire, ask yourself how this team would have done this season if OSU has a point guard like Aleah Goodman? Before anyone jumps down my throat and tells me the obvious that Aleah graduated, my point is this team is really only a quality PG away from having a decent season. All those close games needed a quality captain on the floor who could finish at all 3 levels, make a great assist, or get to the free throw line. That has been missing all season. Our freshmen class in extremely encouraging. I think OSU's #1 priority is to recruit a high-quality PG that is a no-brainer starter. The football team recruited a 5-star QB in the portal. OSU needs to secure a quality PG in the portal, and our future gets much brighter next season. GO BEAVS! Aleah Goodman the freshman, or Aleah Goodman the Senior? Other than her 3pt shooting (which the Beavs really needed this year), Aleah the freshman probably would not have made a huge difference.....but those 3pt shots would have given the Beavs some more wins, but then, how was her defense as a freshman? I don't recall her freshman year on defense, but her defense may have offset some of those 3's on offense. Aleah the Senior would have made a huge difference in wins this year. Still though, Endyia Rogers is probably having her best season, and the ducks still can't win. My guess is (Senior) Aleah would have added 5+ wins for this team, and Aleah with a Talia whose shooting touch was back to last season would have made the Beavs a 20+ win team. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 9:40:09 GMT -8
. My guess is (Senior) Aleah would have added 5+ wins for this team, and Aleah with a Talia whose shooting touch was back to last season would have made the Beavs a 20+ win team. rmancarl,
As always thank you for your valuable contribution.
My response to your comment is "If wishes were horses, we all could ride"(grin).
On a more serious note, what is your best guesstimate of the odds that SR will actually acquire a quality point guard from the transfer portal?
I will throw my hat in the ring with a guess of less than 10% chance that he will do so.
Go Beavs!
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Post by bvrblvr on Feb 20, 2023 10:06:50 GMT -8
Seriously...for a team that has seven new players! Five freshman and two transfers. Our most experienced player in the system is a sophomore! What were the expectations this year? Second place in the Pac-12 and a number 2 seed in the Tournament?? I forget. Who is responsible for the roster? Barnes is now in a bad spot. Yes, Rueck has earned some goodwill. But how do you motivate him to look at himself and make some changes that will allow OSU to be a tournament team again? There is no threat of firing because of the financials and years remaining on contract. Will Rueck do something different that allows the team to have some success? Will the fanbase be satisfied if the team somehow wins 16 conference games over the next two years? Pivec was a sophomore when the Beavs reached the Elite 8. Are you implying that coach Rueck isn't motivated to make the Beavers a tournament team again? It would be hard to imagine that he's not more frustrated, irritated and disappointed at the product that's been on display this season than posters on a message board. The Pac-12 is a strange conference in that there's one program with a living legend as a coach that has taken 1st place 70% of the time in 35+ seasons. All the other top coaches (Charlie Turner-Thorne, Chris Gobrecht, June Daugherty, Joan Bonvicini, Kathy Olivier, Lindsay Gottlieb, Cory Close, looking like Kelly Graves...) that were able to wrestle away a conference title had some seasons mixed in where they missed the tournament. No school other than Stanford in the conference has withstood some ups and downs. No one can argue that the Beavers conference finishes haven't been trending down, but missing the NCAA's two consecutive seasons doesn't mean the program is in a death spiral. The Sun Devils won the conference in 2001, finished in 9th several years later, then won it again in 2016 all with the same coach. Having previously tasted success I'd be blown away if I heard Rueck is now resting on his laurels and could care less if the Beavers continue to struggle. History has shown its very difficult to stay in the top 3rd of this conference for an extended period other than the Cardinal. |
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Post by sweetpea on Feb 20, 2023 10:26:51 GMT -8
I’m swimming upstream here, but my 2 cents:
1) The transfer portal last year was disastrous for our team. Lost 3 starters plus Greta (who hasn’t shown much at Michigan). These players would have brought their experience and talent to form a base for an otherwise freshmen squad. Scott’s fault? They all had reasons to leave.
2) For whatever the reason, we have lost Talia. From star performer to “under performer” at this point. In PAC-12 play her FG percentage is .275 this year vs .463 last year. As far as 3 pointers .250 vs .378 last year and .484 the year before. That’s not Scott’s fault. But continuing to give her a lot of minutes at the expense of the team is on him.
3) Replacing a coach now would wreck any chance of a net plus in the transfer portal. Players came here believing in him. Their families supported that. Personality makes a difference. Incoming portal transfers looking at an unknown and maybe unproven replacement will shy away. Especially good players with multiple alternatives. Same with getting good high school commits. Our recruiting suffered this season. Devon cannot make up for Katie.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 20, 2023 12:24:17 GMT -8
I’m swimming upstream here, but my 2 cents: 1) The transfer portal last year was disastrous for our team. Lost 3 starters plus Greta (who hasn’t shown much at Michigan). These players would have brought their experience and talent to form a base for an otherwise freshmen squad. Scott’s fault? They all had reasons to leave. 2) For whatever the reason, we have lost Talia. From star performer to “under performer” at this point. In PAC-12 play her FG percentage is .275 this year vs .463 last year. As far as 3 pointers .250 vs .378 last year and .484 the year before. That’s not Scott’s fault. But continuing to give her a lot of minutes at the expense of the team is on him. 3) Replacing a coach now would wreck any chance of a net plus in the transfer portal. Players came here believing in him. Their families supported that. Personality makes a difference. Incoming portal transfers looking at an unknown and maybe unproven replacement will shy away. Especially good players with multiple alternatives. Same with getting good high school commits. Our recruiting suffered this season. Devon cannot make up for Katie. sweetpea,
Excellent post. I believe that all of us on this forum would support your position that replacing the Coach now (prior to the transfer portal upcoming results) would be a poor decision.
In a past post, my position was to wait until the transfer portal was over and the results are in. Then based on those results, the AD should make the decision to stay with SR or go 100% looking for a new coach.
Thanks for your participation.
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