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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 15:07:25 GMT -8
Okay recruiting experts, what can you tell us about likely (and unlikely) possible point guards recruits for the 2023-2024 upcoming season for the OSU women's basketball team. We know about the two state of Oregon high school recruits but perhaps you could share information about just how likely they are to be talented enough or ready enough to make a difference this coming season. Also what possible recruits that may come our way that currently are likely, or long shots, or just maybe wishful thinking. Thank you!!
P.S. I am also wagering that if Gardiner has not been on some sort of injury restriction time limit since she started playing several games ago she will be gone in the transfer portal.
Clearly she is one of our top three offensive players and to only play 8 minutes in a game (USC) indicates that SR does not value her contributions so why should she stick around. Again, there may be time limits for recovery from earlier injury, if so why not say so. That is not violating the privacy rights of players to state that.
Also if she made the choice not to redshirt that is fine. However if she agreed to redshirt and then SR played her the extremely limited minutes he has , then again I believe she will be gone in the transfer portal.
I hope I am wrong!
Go Beavs!
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Post by markwbeaver on Feb 13, 2023 15:15:33 GMT -8
Why would you want to wager something like that?
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 16:04:59 GMT -8
Why would you want to wager something like that? markwbeaver,
Thank you for your response.
Since I do not ever really bet on anything (too cheap!) I should probably have said "my belief is that she will transfer" rather than "wager"
I believe that one of the most interesting things in Sports is to speculate, comment, and question what is going on with your personal favorite teams.
In my case, I really enjoy OSU women's b-ball and feel that a rather intense spotlight put on many of the decisions, policies, procedures, and game coaching of SR are certainly warranted given the precipitous fall from 1st place to next to last in a few short years.
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 13, 2023 16:21:50 GMT -8
If Timea portals out then I will question SR's choices. Unlike you I don't think that will happen.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 16:32:15 GMT -8
If Timea portals out then I will question SR's choices. Unlike you I don't think that will happen. beaveragain,
Thank you for your response.
I hope you are correct in your assumption!
Do you have any thoughts on the possible potential point guards that are coming to the Beav's program from the two Oregon High Schools?
Since I no longer live in the state, I have very limited knowledge of them.
I will say that this last recruiting class (Beers, Gardiner, Lily, Adlee) has been outstanding. Coach SR deserves lots of credit for them!
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 13, 2023 16:59:43 GMT -8
This year I think the best PG in the Pac-12 is Rogers. She was the 10th ranked PG coming out of high school in 2019.
ie, it's really hard to tell how a high school kid's going to do in college, but I think PG is the hardest of all to judge. They both seem like real competitors, but I think it would just be silly to guess if either can be a PG right off at college level.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 17:15:48 GMT -8
This year I think the best PG in the Pac-12 is Rogers. She was the 10th ranked PG coming out of high school in 2019. ie, it's really hard to tell how a high school kid's going to do in college, but I think PG is the hardest of all to judge. They both seem like real competitors, but I think it would just be silly to guess if either can be a PG right off at college level. beaveragain,
So based on your above comment, what are your thoughts, etc. about how the team will fare next year if once again neither of the new recruits can do the job next year at point guard.
Given that SR has only obtained one quality point guard by transfer (Destiny Slocum) in his many seasons at OSU, do you think it is likely that the team's record will still be at best middle of the conference-or will the overall quality of the group perhaps carry them higher in the standings?
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 13, 2023 17:25:37 GMT -8
Utah is doing well without a great PG and Stanford last year also went without. What is really needed is someone other than Talia being an outside threat so she isn't double teamed when she gets the ball at the 3 line. My belief is that next year will be more dependent on getting the rebounding into shape. It does no good to play great D and then let the other team get the offensive rebound and put up another attempt until they make it. And that has been happening far too much this year. But if the players stick for another year that problem can be fixed. Rueck's done it in the past and he can do it again.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 17:47:16 GMT -8
Utah is doing well without a great PG and Stanford last year also went without. What is really needed is someone other than Talia being an outside threat so she isn't double teamed when she gets the ball at the 3 line. My belief is that next year will be more dependent on getting the rebounding into shape. It does no good to play great D and then let the other team get the offensive rebound and put up another attempt until they make it. And that has been happening far too much this year. But if the players stick for another year that problem can be fixed. Rueck's done it in the past and he can do it again. beaveragain,
Thank you sir! Your comment about the other teams offensive rebounding is "dead center" What I do not quite understand about this particular issue is why it should take more than one full season to instill proper blocking out and rebounding fundamentals to players who have been playing organized basketball for probably 10 years or more!
You would think with the nucleus of talent that OSU has coming back (assuming the dreaded "monster of the transfer portal does not strike) there would be point guards who would love to transfer to OSU. However something (other programs warning recruits and/ or transfers of SR's over controlling perhaps) seems to cause it not to happen.
It would be a shame if Talia/Raegan/Timea did not have the opportunity to show all their talent because of no real talent at the point guard position. In particular who knows just how good Talia might be if she is able fill the role of shooting guard?
Go Beavs.
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Post by standerd on Feb 13, 2023 18:00:32 GMT -8
"What I do not quite understand about this particular issue is why it should take more than one full season to instill proper blocking out and rebounding fundamentals to players who have been playing organized basketball for probably 10 years or more!" Excellent observation skyrider. I have been cogitating this question all season.
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Post by alwaysorange on Feb 13, 2023 18:41:53 GMT -8
Bottom line we don't play aggressive basketball. We don't play in your face defense, our offense is slow down, on offense once we shoot maybe one player will make an attempt for an offensive rebound while the others will turn their heads and run to the other end even when following the shot would give us a decent chance for a rebound.. I don't know who is responsible for it but maybe you have an idea.
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Post by standerd on Feb 13, 2023 18:55:38 GMT -8
Bottom line we don't play aggressive basketball. We don't play in your face defense, our offense is slow down, on offense once we shoot maybe one player will make an attempt for an offensive rebound while the others will turn their heads and run to the other end even when following the shot would give us a decent chance for a rebound.. I don't know who is responsible for it but maybe you have an idea. I do, but it doesn't seem to be too popular around these parts; will just have to leave it to our imaginations. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 13, 2023 19:21:39 GMT -8
Utah is doing well without a great PG and Stanford last year also went without. What is really needed is someone other than Talia being an outside threat so she isn't double teamed when she gets the ball at the 3 line. My belief is that next year will be more dependent on getting the rebounding into shape. It does no good to play great D and then let the other team get the offensive rebound and put up another attempt until they make it. And that has been happening far too much this year. But if the players stick for another year that problem can be fixed. Rueck's done it in the past and he can do it again. Yeah, Stanford is definitely about having point guards on the floor. They won the 2021 national title with Anna Wilson, Kiana Williams...and this year they added a few freshmen and Talana Lepolo is starting for them. Utah is loaded at guard and has Kennady McQueen (64 assists, 35 turnovers and 24 steals) and Ines Vieira (77 assists, 30 TO, 18 steals) at the point and a great multi-faceted guard in Kneepkens, who is averaging 15 points, five rebounds and has 55 assists (34 TOs) and 21 steals, and is capable of playing either guard spot. To put it in perspective, Bendu Yeaney has 68 assists and 57 turnovers with 29 steals. TVO has 80 assists and 53 TOs with 31 steals. Utah's guards have a distinctly better assist to turnover ratio. No programs, including Oregon State, want to go without quality point guards. And you don't need a "great" PG, if that means one that averages 20 points a game. You need one who is an offensive threat (that can drive to the hoop and finish and hit 3-pointers) but definitely has great ballhandling and passing skills and doesn't pile up the turnovers along with the assists. Rueck has tried to get players to fit the position and has done so successfully for most of his time at OSU. The problem is that Yeaney really isn't a true point guard, nor is TVO. He's bringing in the freshman PG specifically to fill a need, not to just add depth. TVO should benefit greatly from good point guard play. So should the entire offense. |
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Post by beav74 on Feb 13, 2023 20:34:25 GMT -8
I know of NO players that are even thinking of entering the portal.
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 20:40:15 GMT -8
Yeah, Stanford is definitely about having point guards on the floor. They won the 2021 national title with Anna Wilson, Kiana Williams...and this year they added a few freshmen and Talana Lepolo is starting for them. Utah is loaded at guard and has Kennady McQueen (64 assists, 35 turnovers and 24 steals) and Ines Vieira (77 assists, 30 TO, 18 steals) at the point and a great multi-faceted guard in Kneepkens, who is averaging 15 points, five rebounds and has 55 assists (34 TOs) and 21 steals, and is capable of playing either guard spot. To put it in perspective, Bendu Yeaney has 68 assists and 57 turnovers with 29 steals. TVO has 80 assists and 53 TOs with 31 steals. Utah's guards have a distinctly better assist to turnover ratio. No programs, including Oregon State, want to go without quality point guards. And you don't need a "great" PG, if that means one that averages 20 points a game. You need one who is an offensive threat (that can drive to the hoop and finish and hit 3-pointers) but definitely has great ballhandling and passing skills and doesn't pile up the turnovers along with the assists. Rueck has tried to get players to fit the position and has done so successfully for most of his time at OSU. The problem is that Yeaney really isn't a true point guard, nor is TVO. He's bringing in the freshman PG specifically to fill a need, not to just add depth. TVO should benefit greatly from good point guard play. So should the entire offense. grayman,
I realize that SR is bringing in the freshman from an Oregon high school (Barlow) I believe that does play point guard. However no one seems to be raving over her prospects for taking over the job. Am I correct or incorrect about this? I know ratings (how many stars) sometimes mean little, but where does information show up about her that might be helpful in evaluating her chances of helping out right away?
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