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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 20:41:37 GMT -8
I know of NO players that are even thinking of entering the portal. beav74,
I think a lot of us had that same sentiment last year and look what happened!
I certainly hope you are right
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Post by rmancarl on Feb 13, 2023 20:41:49 GMT -8
Okay recruiting experts, what can you tell us about likely (and unlikely) possible point guards recruits for the 2023-2024 upcoming season for the OSU women's basketball team. We know about the two state of Oregon high school recruits but perhaps you could share information about just how likely they are to be talented enough or ready enough to make a difference this coming season. Also what possible recruits that may come our way that currently are likely, or long shots, or just maybe wishful thinking. Thank you!!
P.S. I am also wagering that if Gardiner has not been on some sort of injury restriction time limit since she started playing several games ago she will be gone in the transfer portal.
Clearly she is one of our top three offensive players and to only play 8 minutes in a game (USC) indicates that SR does not value her contributions so why should she stick around. Again, there may be time limits for recovery from earlier injury, if so why not say so. That is not violating the privacy rights of players to state that.
Also if she made the choice not to redshirt that is fine. However if she agreed to redshirt and then SR played her the extremely limited minutes he has , then again I believe she will be gone in the transfer portal.
I hope I am wrong!
Go Beavs!
Skyrider, I'm curious. Since you believe strongly that Gardiner will enter the portal, do you also feel the same about Adlee and Lily? Do you feel the same about freshman on other teams that are playing less that Gardiner (20+mpg)? Or, it is just teams with losing records? |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 20:44:08 GMT -8
I know of NO players that are even thinking of entering the portal. beav74,
I know a lot of us on this site had your same thought last year at this time!
I hope you are correct this year.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Feb 13, 2023 20:47:27 GMT -8
I know of NO players that are even thinking of entering the portal. You know the team better than the rest of us so I find some comfort in your post. Thank you for sharing what you can with us. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 13, 2023 20:52:07 GMT -8
Okay recruiting experts, what can you tell us about likely (and unlikely) possible point guards recruits for the 2023-2024 upcoming season for the OSU women's basketball team. We know about the two state of Oregon high school recruits but perhaps you could share information about just how likely they are to be talented enough or ready enough to make a difference this coming season. Also what possible recruits that may come our way that currently are likely, or long shots, or just maybe wishful thinking. Thank you!!
P.S. I am also wagering that if Gardiner has not been on some sort of injury restriction time limit since she started playing several games ago she will be gone in the transfer portal.
Clearly she is one of our top three offensive players and to only play 8 minutes in a game (USC) indicates that SR does not value her contributions so why should she stick around. Again, there may be time limits for recovery from earlier injury, if so why not say so. That is not violating the privacy rights of players to state that.
Also if she made the choice not to redshirt that is fine. However if she agreed to redshirt and then SR played her the extremely limited minutes he has , then again I believe she will be gone in the transfer portal.
I hope I am wrong!
Go Beavs!
Skyrider, I'm curious. Since you believe strongly that Gardiner will enter the portal, do you also feel the same about Adlee and Lily? Do you feel the same about freshman on other teams that are playing less that Gardiner (20+mpg)? Or, it is just teams with losing records? rmancarl,
Thank you for the question. As always you are a scholar and a gentleman!
I do not know what I feel about Adlee and Lily. They are getting to play more now so I feel more positive about them.
The whole situation with Timea (not redshirting, only playing in a few games with limited minutes, being so highly praised and recruited by other programs) just seems to be "portal transfer" waiting to happen.
SR just seems so d---m rigid about things sometimes. His seemingly "my way or the highway" has seeming resulted in a lot of "highway" choices recently!
Have a good evening!
Go Beavs!
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 13, 2023 20:57:57 GMT -8
"What I do not quite understand about this particular issue is why it should take more than one full season to instill proper blocking out and rebounding fundamentals to players who have been playing organized basketball for probably 10 years or more!" Excellent observation skyrider. I have been cogitating this question all season. I'm wondering about the assistant coaches impact, or lack of same, on our young players. This is 2 years in for both of them, and the results aren't there either year. I don't have the slightest idea whether they're good or bad, but somebody's gonna be thrown under the bus - and it ain't Scott. With respect to portal, isn't this an Italy summer? That would be enough to keep me around. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 13, 2023 20:59:01 GMT -8
Utah is doing well without a great PG and Stanford last year also went without. What is really needed is someone other than Talia being an outside threat so she isn't double teamed when she gets the ball at the 3 line. My belief is that next year will be more dependent on getting the rebounding into shape. It does no good to play great D and then let the other team get the offensive rebound and put up another attempt until they make it. And that has been happening far too much this year. But if the players stick for another year that problem can be fixed. Rueck's done it in the past and he can do it again. Yeah, Stanford is definitely about having point guards on the floor. They won the 2021 national title with Anna Wilson, Kiana Williams...and this year they added a few freshmen and Talana Lepolo is starting for them. Utah is loaded at guard and has Kennady McQueen (64 assists, 35 turnovers and 24 steals) and Ines Vieira (77 assists, 30 TO, 18 steals) at the point and a great multi-faceted guard in Kneepkens, who is averaging 15 points, five rebounds and has 55 assists (34 TOs) and 21 steals, and is capable of playing either guard spot. To put it in perspective, Bendu Yeaney has 68 assists and 57 turnovers with 29 steals. TVO has 80 assists and 53 TOs with 31 steals. Utah's guards have a distinctly better assist to turnover ratio. No programs, including Oregon State, want to go without quality point guards. And you don't need a "great" PG, if that means one that averages 20 points a game. You need one who is an offensive threat (that can drive to the hoop and finish and hit 3-pointers) but definitely has great ballhandling and passing skills and doesn't pile up the turnovers along with the assists. Rueck has tried to get players to fit the position and has done so successfully for most of his time at OSU. The problem is that Yeaney really isn't a true point guard, nor is TVO. He's bringing in the freshman PG specifically to fill a need, not to just add depth. TVO should benefit greatly from good point guard play. So should the entire offense. On Stanford- I didn't say the national championship year, or this year. Last year they had the whole team back except for Kiana and they didn't repeat because they had no true PG. Ask Tara, she said so herself, it's not just my imagination going wild. Utah- Ines is playing 17 minutes a game. The other players are decent passers, and are not PG's any more than Haley Jones is. They play w/o a true PG and switch it around, because they don't have a true PG. Obviously works for them. I don't think the Frosh will be able to do it next year. SR's scheme is a different kind of defense and a different kind of rebounding, and it seems to take a year or two before most guards can get real good at it. My hope of hope is that Martha can get it done next year. She's pretty good at the offensive end, but due to her height she has to be really good at the defensive end. Guards with more length can still get a hand in the way after messing up coverage, shorties can't. So she has to be just that much better, and I'm hopeful from what I've seen that she can make up that difference. |
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Post by rafer on Feb 13, 2023 21:05:47 GMT -8
Okay recruiting experts, what can you tell us about likely (and unlikely) possible point guards recruits for the 2023-2024 upcoming season for the OSU women's basketball team. We know about the two state of Oregon high school recruits but perhaps you could share information about just how likely they are to be talented enough or ready enough to make a difference this coming season. Also what possible recruits that may come our way that currently are likely, or long shots, or just maybe wishful thinking. Thank you!!
P.S. I am also wagering that if Gardiner has not been on some sort of injury restriction time limit since she started playing several games ago she will be gone in the transfer portal.
Clearly she is one of our top three offensive players and to only play 8 minutes in a game (USC) indicates that SR does not value her contributions so why should she stick around. Again, there may be time limits for recovery from earlier injury, if so why not say so. That is not violating the privacy rights of players to state that.
Also if she made the choice not to redshirt that is fine. However if she agreed to redshirt and then SR played her the extremely limited minutes he has , then again I believe she will be gone in the transfer portal.
I hope I am wrong!
Go Beavs!
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Post by grayman on Feb 13, 2023 21:32:01 GMT -8
Yeah, Stanford is definitely about having point guards on the floor. They won the 2021 national title with Anna Wilson, Kiana Williams...and this year they added a few freshmen and Talana Lepolo is starting for them. Utah is loaded at guard and has Kennady McQueen (64 assists, 35 turnovers and 24 steals) and Ines Vieira (77 assists, 30 TO, 18 steals) at the point and a great multi-faceted guard in Kneepkens, who is averaging 15 points, five rebounds and has 55 assists (34 TOs) and 21 steals, and is capable of playing either guard spot. To put it in perspective, Bendu Yeaney has 68 assists and 57 turnovers with 29 steals. TVO has 80 assists and 53 TOs with 31 steals. Utah's guards have a distinctly better assist to turnover ratio. No programs, including Oregon State, want to go without quality point guards. And you don't need a "great" PG, if that means one that averages 20 points a game. You need one who is an offensive threat (that can drive to the hoop and finish and hit 3-pointers) but definitely has great ballhandling and passing skills and doesn't pile up the turnovers along with the assists. Rueck has tried to get players to fit the position and has done so successfully for most of his time at OSU. The problem is that Yeaney really isn't a true point guard, nor is TVO. He's bringing in the freshman PG specifically to fill a need, not to just add depth. TVO should benefit greatly from good point guard play. So should the entire offense. On Stanford- I didn't say the national championship year, or this year. Last year they had the whole team back except for Kiana and they didn't repeat because they had no true PG. Ask Tara, she said so herself, it's not just my imagination going wild. Utah- Ines is playing 17 minutes a game. The other players are decent passers, and are not PG's any more than Haley Jones is. They play w/o a true PG and switch it around, because they don't have a true PG. Obviously works for them. I don't think the Frosh will be able to do it next year. SR's scheme is a different kind of defense and a different kind of rebounding, and it seems to take a year or two before most guards can get real good at it. My hope of hope is that Martha can get it done next year. She's pretty good at the offensive end, but due to her height she has to be really good at the defensive end. Guards with more length can still get a hand in the way after messing up coverage, shorties can't. So she has to be just that much better, and I'm hopeful from what I've seen that she can make up that difference. If you talk about Utah not having a great point guard and Stanford going without one last year in the same sentence, it makes it seem like you are using both as examples that teams don't necessarily need a point guard. I guess I just see the Utah situation differently. They have several guards with point guard skills that are contributing and McQueen and Vieira are actual point guards. Haley Jones is basically a 2. Aside from that, I agree with your thoughts about Shuler probably not being able to step right in. Martha is nice as a backup. I keep thinking Rueck needs to hit the portal for a starting PG. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 13, 2023 21:35:31 GMT -8
Yeah, Stanford is definitely about having point guards on the floor. They won the 2021 national title with Anna Wilson, Kiana Williams...and this year they added a few freshmen and Talana Lepolo is starting for them. Utah is loaded at guard and has Kennady McQueen (64 assists, 35 turnovers and 24 steals) and Ines Vieira (77 assists, 30 TO, 18 steals) at the point and a great multi-faceted guard in Kneepkens, who is averaging 15 points, five rebounds and has 55 assists (34 TOs) and 21 steals, and is capable of playing either guard spot. To put it in perspective, Bendu Yeaney has 68 assists and 57 turnovers with 29 steals. TVO has 80 assists and 53 TOs with 31 steals. Utah's guards have a distinctly better assist to turnover ratio. No programs, including Oregon State, want to go without quality point guards. And you don't need a "great" PG, if that means one that averages 20 points a game. You need one who is an offensive threat (that can drive to the hoop and finish and hit 3-pointers) but definitely has great ballhandling and passing skills and doesn't pile up the turnovers along with the assists. Rueck has tried to get players to fit the position and has done so successfully for most of his time at OSU. The problem is that Yeaney really isn't a true point guard, nor is TVO. He's bringing in the freshman PG specifically to fill a need, not to just add depth. TVO should benefit greatly from good point guard play. So should the entire offense. grayman,
I realize that SR is bringing in the freshman from an Oregon high school (Barlow) I believe that does play point guard. However no one seems to be raving over her prospects for taking over the job. Am I correct or incorrect about this? I know ratings (how many stars) sometimes mean little, but where does information show up about her that might be helpful in evaluating her chances of helping out right away?
It's probably too much to expect Shuler to step in right away. I would like Rueck to bring in a transfer point guard. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 13, 2023 22:53:11 GMT -8
On Stanford- I didn't say the national championship year, or this year. Last year they had the whole team back except for Kiana and they didn't repeat because they had no true PG. Ask Tara, she said so herself, it's not just my imagination going wild. Utah- Ines is playing 17 minutes a game. The other players are decent passers, and are not PG's any more than Haley Jones is. They play w/o a true PG and switch it around, because they don't have a true PG. Obviously works for them. I don't think the Frosh will be able to do it next year. SR's scheme is a different kind of defense and a different kind of rebounding, and it seems to take a year or two before most guards can get real good at it. My hope of hope is that Martha can get it done next year. She's pretty good at the offensive end, but due to her height she has to be really good at the defensive end. Guards with more length can still get a hand in the way after messing up coverage, shorties can't. So she has to be just that much better, and I'm hopeful from what I've seen that she can make up that difference. If you talk about Utah not having a great point guard and Stanford going without one last year in the same sentence, it makes it seem like you are using both as examples that teams don't necessarily need a point guard. I guess I just see the Utah situation differently. They have several guards with point guard skills that are contributing and McQueen and Vieira are actual point guards. Haley Jones is basically a 2. Aside from that, I agree with your thoughts about Shuler probably not being able to step right in. Martha is nice as a backup. I keep thinking Rueck needs to hit the portal for a starting PG. I think we see Utah the same, PG by committee. I think you can have a really good team w/o a really good PG. I think if you want a National Championship you need a really good PG. |
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Post by jimbob on Feb 14, 2023 3:27:47 GMT -8
Yeah, Stanford is definitely about having point guards on the floor. They won the 2021 national title with Anna Wilson, Kiana Williams...and this year they added a few freshmen and Talana Lepolo is starting for them. Utah is loaded at guard and has Kennady McQueen (64 assists, 35 turnovers and 24 steals) and Ines Vieira (77 assists, 30 TO, 18 steals) at the point and a great multi-faceted guard in Kneepkens, who is averaging 15 points, five rebounds and has 55 assists (34 TOs) and 21 steals, and is capable of playing either guard spot. To put it in perspective, Bendu Yeaney has 68 assists and 57 turnovers with 29 steals. TVO has 80 assists and 53 TOs with 31 steals. Utah's guards have a distinctly better assist to turnover ratio. No programs, including Oregon State, want to go without quality point guards. And you don't need a "great" PG, if that means one that averages 20 points a game. You need one who is an offensive threat (that can drive to the hoop and finish and hit 3-pointers) but definitely has great ballhandling and passing skills and doesn't pile up the turnovers along with the assists. Rueck has tried to get players to fit the position and has done so successfully for most of his time at OSU. The problem is that Yeaney really isn't a true point guard, nor is TVO. He's bringing in the freshman PG specifically to fill a need, not to just add depth. TVO should benefit greatly from good point guard play. So should the entire offense. grayman,
I realize that SR is bringing in the freshman from an Oregon high school (Barlow) I believe that does play point guard. However no one seems to be raving over her prospects for taking over the job. Am I correct or incorrect about this? I know ratings (how many stars) sometimes mean little, but where does information show up about her that might be helpful in evaluating her chances of helping out right away?
Sky: Her name is Kennedie Shuler and all the information out there on her can be found here: In "Recruiting" scroll down to this thread "2023 Kennedie Shuler commits to OSU!" Greybeav has uploaded some videos of her in game action in that thread---watch them and then you have to make your own decision about her whether or not she can be the PG next year. She definitely has some skills as greybeav has pointed out in many of his posts, but as even you alluded to above---the general consensus of the posters on here--(myself-included)--is that she will probably need a year in the system before she makes too much of an impact. That being said sometimes these players can surprise and be an impact player right away----Case in point right here on our team in Timea G. this year and TVO a couple of years ago----both of these players stepped right in and were big impact players from the get-go and both were better than what they looked like from their HS "game" videos--(not talking highlight videos here). Now if we can just get the coach to play Timea G. about 30 min. a game we might have a better chance of winning a few of our remaining games!😉 |
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Post by norm on Feb 14, 2023 4:54:36 GMT -8
Shuler played on the same AAU team as the #1 ranked player in the nation (Davidson.). There is no doubt that every top level coach has seen her play. The fact that the majority of her offers were mid-major and she isn’t really highly rated leads me to believe that she is a solid player, but not the game changing PG that the Beavs need. Especially as a Freshman. With that said, she is better that the current options.
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Post by lotrader on Feb 14, 2023 6:54:41 GMT -8
It could be Donovyn Hunter is our PG next season
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Post by skyrider on Feb 14, 2023 8:24:33 GMT -8
It could be Donovyn Hunter is our PG next season lotrader,
Thanks for your response.
I believe the group would appreciate it if you would be so kind as to expand on your above very intriguing comment and provide additional detail!
Thank you!
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