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Post by grayman on Feb 5, 2023 15:16:07 GMT -8
The vast majority of the offensive problems would be alleviated with a good point guard. Hopefully the Beavers have one (or two) coming. TVO is never going to get faster. She is what she is athletically. Strong with middling speed and quickness. She's basically a tweener and I think that's really hit home this season. IMO her big splash when she arrived at OSU had fans overrating how good she really is. And if she's not hitting shots, she really doesn't add enough to make a significant impact. TVO could definitely improve her straight line speed. I think where she needs to "get faster" the most is in between her ears. She is over-thinking herself. Passing up open shots, and trying moves that aren't really part of her game. She has also seemed to lose a lot of poise around the hoop, and I can't figure out why. She was able to absorb contact and make shots on the drive. Now it seems she is being denied or giving up too easily on drives to the hoop. All of it seems mental to me for the most part. Honestly, if we had the guard play to do it I would put TVO at the 3, where she would be fast for the position, and wouldn't be required to instigate the offense AND get position on her defender with a move or two. She could also more easily crash the O boards without worrying about having to get back to guard their backcourt. I mean, maybe she could get a tad faster if she worked on it like sprinters work on it, but that's a lot of extra time taken from working on other basketball skills that are more important. I don't believe the end result would make much difference for her. She is not naturally quick. She works out year 'round for basketball and that includes all sorts of conditioning. She has already built up about as much speed/quickness as her body is capable of attaining. And she will never be able to become as quick as Yeaney and Sherrod are. Aside from that, I think you are right about her over-thinking on offense. And missing shots can stick with a player mentally. She does force shots. Again, I think there's a disconnect between her understanding of her capabilities and the reality of playing against the better, more athletic opponents. If she were a legit 6-0 or 6-1 she would be a great fit for the 3. She's really slightly undersized for a 2, though (at probably closer to 5-10). |
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bmoc
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Post by bmoc on Feb 5, 2023 15:16:56 GMT -8
Cover the mirrors! I’m sitting shiva after that game.
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Post by lotrader on Feb 5, 2023 15:20:13 GMT -8
Shocked that the announcers, and maybe few here, did not notice we had all 5 freshman in together, and it wasn't horrible ! I noticed immediately. The frosh held their own; Martha knows NOT TO PICK UP THE DRIBBLE unless she is passing or shooting. Beers and Gardiner are the real deal. Timea is what we were supposed to get with Kennedy and a whole lot more. Timea CAN shoot 3s, she CAN create her own shot and she can catch and shoot. She is the 2nd coming of Satou Sabalie only she is on the Beavs Thank you jones for your observation that Martha is the ONLY player on the team who knows not to pick up her dribble until she is passing or shooting. Folks, this is a MANDATORY PG skill. Any player who plays PG has to have this skill or our offense will falter. Again, all you have to do is go back and watch the game when Martha came in Q2 and this will become obvious what happens when you have someone who can distribute, and break down their defender and create a mismatch. Martha is not the 2nd coming of Sue Bird, but she is the only PG on the team. Why our coaches can't see this I cannot comprehend. |
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Post by skyrider on Feb 5, 2023 15:27:52 GMT -8
Can you imagine how difficult it is going to be to keep Ragean and Timea from being poached by other teams (i.e. transfer portal)!
The other coaches and their programs are going to be like "Sharks circling where blood is in the water".
Hopefully giving them(and the other freshmen) as much playing time as possible will help make up for them knowing that (a)historically in the past few years OSU has lacked a quality point guard and (b) Coach Rueck has shown little ability to recruit quality point guards.
On another issue, I have a hard time believing I am watching the same player this year vs last when I see TVO now. If she is hurt she should not be playing. If she is not hurt, this has to be one of the major second year slumps in recent memory.
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Post by grayman on Feb 5, 2023 15:59:15 GMT -8
Can you imagine how difficult it is going to be to keep Ragean and Timea from being poached by other teams (i.e. transfer portal)! The other coaches and their programs are going to be like "Sharks circling where blood is in the water". Hopefully giving them(and the other freshmen) as much playing time as possible will help make up for them knowing that (a)historically in the past few years OSU has lacked a quality point guard and (b) Coach Rueck has shown little ability to recruit quality point guards. On another issue, I have a hard time believing I am watching the same player this year vs last when I see TVO now. If she is hurt she should not be playing. If she is not hurt, this has to be one of the major second year slumps in recent memory. I don't know. Unless they feel that the future isn't going to be much better, I'm not sure how inclined they will be to leave. Going home doesn't really benefit Gardiner all that much. Beers could go to Colorado, I guess. I'm not convinced there are many NCAA women's basketball programs able to lay out real NIL offers to draw players. So unless UConn or a similar program comes calling, I don't really see it. But if this season really spirals out of control, who knows? Then they might bail for any program that seems to be a pretty solid footing, |
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osu82
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Post by osu82 on Feb 5, 2023 16:06:20 GMT -8
Can you imagine how difficult it is going to be to keep Ragean and Timea from being poached by other teams (i.e. transfer portal)! The other coaches and their programs are going to be like "Sharks circling where blood is in the water". Hopefully giving them(and the other freshmen) as much playing time as possible will help make up for them knowing that (a)historically in the past few years OSU has lacked a quality point guard and (b) Coach Rueck has shown little ability to recruit quality point guards. On another issue, I have a hard time believing I am watching the same player this year vs last when I see TVO now. If she is hurt she should not be playing. If she is not hurt, this has to be one of the major second year slumps in recent memory. When the going gets tough, the tough put their heads down and power forward. The not-so-tough Portal Out. Hopefully, our players are the former and not the later. TvO is obviously pressing on offense. Lots of her shots are really forced, and consequently she misses most of them. Some of them quite badly. Seems like the offense is having a hard time generating clean looks for her, and when she gets the ball she often goes iso and ends up forcing something up. Rueck has given her the longest leash on the team, and he finally sat her early in this one. Not sure what to make of that. Mannen? Scrappy on ball defender, makes the hustle plays, but is a non-presence offensively. Maybe if she was a deadly 3 pt. shooter, but this team is offensively challenged enough with no real offense from one of the guard positions. Gardiner was a bright spot. She’s a scorer on a team that desperately needs scorers. I’m not sure why Rueck didn’t play her all of Q4. Nice to see the freshmen guards hit some 3’s. Adlee hit some big ones. They made some mistakes, but actually fewer than the starters did in Q1. Not a lot else to say on this one. Getting a beat down on your home floor is never a good thing, but, as they say, nowhere to go but up. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 5, 2023 16:08:25 GMT -8
Lets see-
This is all Mannen/TVO's fault- Beers airballed twice from about three feet from the basket. Mit got one rebound. etc etc, this was a team loss. Stop trying to find someone to blame.
OSU is not quick enough- Colorado was fast and hit their shots. If I had by druthers I'd take hitting shots 10000 to 1 over being fast. But you guys go ahead on the whole speed thing.
OSU has been out rebounded by 20 twice this season, LSU and Colorado. Guess which two games the Beav's lost really badly?
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Post by skyrider on Feb 5, 2023 16:20:12 GMT -8
Lets see- This is all Mannen/TVO's fault- Beers airballed twice from about three feet from the basket. Mit got one rebound. etc etc, this was a team loss. Stop trying to find someone to blame. OSU is not quick enough- Colorado was fast and hit their shots. If I had by druthers I'd take hitting shots 10000 to 1 over being fast. But you guys go ahead on the whole speed thing. OSU has been out rebounded by 20 twice this season, LSU and Colorado. Guess which two games the Beav's lost really badly? beaveragain,
Excellent observation.
It appears to me that the competitive fire and determination that many previous Beaver teams have had is badly missing in this group.
Usually that would come from Junior and Senior leadership but not always. No way would the teams of 3 to 4 years ago roll over and pretty much give it up as I believe this one did in this game. Especially in a home game!
Also something is amiss when your team starts out so slowly game after game. I would like to believe the sentiment that "there is no where to go but up". However we were hearing that a couple of years ago and since then things have gotten much worse.
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Post by ricke71 on Feb 5, 2023 16:20:35 GMT -8
The Freshmen...!! ...The only redeeming factor of today's game. 4 of the 6 players with 19 or more minutes were freshmen.
The top 3 scorers were all freshmen.
Six (6) of (7) made 3-pt shots were by freshman. Freshmen shot 6-12 from 3.....other players: 1-8 from three.
As a team there were only 13 TOs - damn good.....still, non-Freshmen played only 47% of the minutes and committed 62% of the turnovers. Credit to Rueck for: (a.) starting Timea (b.) using the Freshmen for an energy boost ...and... (c.) hate to say it, but, for sitting (temporarily 'benching' ?) Talia. Now if he'd just take the same approach with Mannen. |
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Post by grayman on Feb 5, 2023 16:21:50 GMT -8
Lets see- This is all Mannen/TVO's fault- Beers airballed twice from about three feet from the basket. Mit got one rebound. etc etc, this was a team loss. Stop trying to find someone to blame. OSU is not quick enough- Colorado was fast and hit their shots. If I had by druthers I'd take hitting shots 10000 to 1 over being fast. But you guys go ahead on the whole speed thing. OSU has been out rebounded by 20 twice this season, LSU and Colorado. Guess which two games the Beav's lost really badly? OSU isn't quick and it makes a big difference against teams like LSU and Colorado, those two teams that outrebounded the Beavers by 20. Hmm. But you go ahead and discount the speed issue. And Beers had 10 rebounds, so the problem was throughout the rest of the roster today with the Buffaloes beating the Beavers to every ball. Yes, it was a team loss (including Rueck). But that includes Rueck's stubborness in playing Mannen 25 minutes despite her lack of overall production and being a bad matchup against the speed of Colorado. Not really blaming TVO so much as pointing out that she basically just disappeared. |
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 5, 2023 16:24:36 GMT -8
For the remainder of the season, including the Pac-10 tournament, starters for OSU should be
Beers
Gardiner
TVO
AJ
Pietsch
-first (and only) sub of the bench should be Mit for Beers and Gardiner
first guards off the bench should be Hansford for AJ and Blackock for TVO or vice versa.
Use Yeaney and Mannen to relieve Pietsch.
Use Aaron to relieve Hansford.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Feb 5, 2023 17:06:07 GMT -8
Martha only plays 11 minutes (for whatever reason) and still ties for the team lead in assists (3) today
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Post by newduke2 on Feb 5, 2023 17:11:42 GMT -8
Can you imagine how difficult it is going to be to keep Ragean and Timea from being poached by other teams (i.e. transfer portal)! The other coaches and their programs are going to be like "Sharks circling where blood is in the water". Hopefully giving them(and the other freshmen) as much playing time as possible will help make up for them knowing that (a)historically in the past few years OSU has lacked a quality point guard and (b) Coach Rueck has shown little ability to recruit quality point guards. On another issue, I have a hard time believing I am watching the same player this year vs last when I see TVO now. If she is hurt she should not be playing. If she is not hurt, this has to be one of the major second year slumps in recent memory. If it's not an injury, TVO's regression in inexplicable. If either Beers or Timea leave for another school, the Beavers are virtually dead in the water next year and maybe longer if they can't be replaced in 2024 with 2 at two new talented bigs. Time to start pooling our fortunes and dishing the 2 gals some bucks. |
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Post by standerd on Feb 5, 2023 17:38:37 GMT -8
We can go on and chatter and speculate all we want, try to divine solutions, but all I have to say at this point is that this season has become ridiculous. I will continue to watch and support, but I think that we are in a world of hurt. Go Beavs!
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Post by algernon14 on Feb 5, 2023 17:55:25 GMT -8
Reminder: we lost 4 starters to the TP, any team is gonna struggle with that kind of loss of experience. I was at the game today was gonna write a long “observations” post, but sometimes you just need to flush this performance down the toilet and come back fighting next game, let’s go Beavs you guys played Stanford to 3pts AT Maples and took Utah to OT, stop playing soft and knock some players around, finish this season strong.
GO BEAVS.
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