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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 28, 2023 16:08:12 GMT -8
I know many of you are high on Mannen, but let's look at the numbers. She played 37 minutes last night, or 18.5% of our total minutes. She scored 2 points (on 20% shooting), grabbed 2 rebounds, and had 1 assist. If you prorate that over the whole 200 minutes the team plays, the team would have scored 11 points, had 11 rebounds, and 5 assists.
I just don't know how you can justify having anybody play Wilt Chamberlain type minutes with such low production. I know you're going to talk about little things (no pun intended) and some of you think she's the second coming of Gabby Hansen. But you just can't give those minutes to somebody who isn't, far and away, the best you got - and Noelle is far from the best we've got.
My opinion.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 28, 2023 16:57:16 GMT -8
I know many of you are high on Mannen, but let's look at the numbers. She played 37 minutes last night, or 18.5% of our total minutes. She scored 2 points (on 20% shooting), grabbed 2 rebounds, and had 1 assist. If you prorate that over the whole 200 minutes the team plays, the team would have scored 11 points, had 11 rebounds, and 5 assists. I just don't know how you can justify having anybody play Wilt Chamberlain type minutes with such low production. I know you're going to talk about little things (no pun intended) and some of you think she's the second coming of Gabby Hansen. But you just can't give those minutes to somebody who isn't, far and away, the best you got - and Noelle is far from the best we've got. My opinion. It's not a question of whether Noelle is equal to Gabby (who doesn't play for the Beav's any more) but who do you think should have played instead of her? AJ was hurt, Lily did pretty good out there but played about as much as she could, when she could. I'm not sure what was up with Lex, but she's not the defensive player that Noelle is. Who do you think is so much better? |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 28, 2023 17:16:47 GMT -8
I know many of you are high on Mannen, but let's look at the numbers. She played 37 minutes last night, or 18.5% of our total minutes. She scored 2 points (on 20% shooting), grabbed 2 rebounds, and had 1 assist. If you prorate that over the whole 200 minutes the team plays, the team would have scored 11 points, had 11 rebounds, and 5 assists. I just don't know how you can justify having anybody play Wilt Chamberlain type minutes with such low production. I know you're going to talk about little things (no pun intended) and some of you think she's the second coming of Gabby Hansen. But you just can't give those minutes to somebody who isn't, far and away, the best you got - and Noelle is far from the best we've got. My opinion. It's not a question of whether Noelle is equal to Gabby (who doesn't play for the Beav's any more) but who do you think should have played instead of her? AJ was hurt, Lily did pretty good out there but played about as much as she could, when she could. I'm not sure what was up with Lex, but she's not the defensive player that Noelle is. Who do you think is so much better? Well, here's one thought. He plays 3 guards (Bendu, Talia, and Noelle) and 2 'bigs' a lot of the time. I haven't checked the others, but I'd wager Talia and Bendu were both over 30 minutes yesterday. If you took minutes from Noelle, you would give them to Timea, Raegan or Jelena (and AJ when healthy) instead. If you're looking at your team and asking who's better than Noelle, you don't have a team that belongs in a power 5 conference. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 28, 2023 17:24:07 GMT -8
It's not a question of whether Noelle is equal to Gabby (who doesn't play for the Beav's any more) but who do you think should have played instead of her? AJ was hurt, Lily did pretty good out there but played about as much as she could, when she could. I'm not sure what was up with Lex, but she's not the defensive player that Noelle is. Who do you think is so much better? Well, here's one thought. He plays 3 guards (Bendu, Talia, and Noelle) and 2 'bigs' a lot of the time. I haven't checked the others, but I'd wager Talia and Bendu were both over 30 minutes yesterday. If you took minutes from Noelle, you would give them to Timea, Raegan or Jelena (and AJ when healthy) instead. If you're looking at your team and asking who's better than Noelle, you don't have a team that belongs in a power 5 conference. Snarky! |
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Post by sparty on Jan 28, 2023 19:23:45 GMT -8
Do you struggle with reality? You assume Betts is going to be knocking on the door when there many other better choices out there.
Assuming she would leave Stanford.
It was a silly statement you made on Betts and you know it. Where did I say she would be knocking on the door? I think the chances she leaves Stanford are slim (she’s probably smart enough to know she’s playing behind one of the better bigs in the country and with stiff competition to back her up), but I also recall her showing zero interest in OSU (didn’t make her top-9). She is good friends with Timea and, especially, Raegan, plus as a slower big she’d have probably be a decent fit here. She would also have pretty much her choice of schools. Plus her younger sister is very, very good. Fair enough. Sienna has a Stanford offer too. Maybe they would want to play together? She could end up with one of the other 8 but I can see her staying put. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 28, 2023 19:27:57 GMT -8
OSU has a 54 NET ranking. They aren’t out of reach yet of either tourney. Playing in the #2 NET conference helps a lot come tourney selections. Yeah, there's been a couple of these doom and goom "no chance at tourney" comments in this thread. So the Beavers lose by 3 at Stanford and now suddenly they're out of the tourney? If the truth is that the Beavers are now a team that is closer in strength to Stanford, having played the Cardinal close and coming off a win against Oregon, then the Beavers could very well go on a stretch of wins to finish the regular season. I don't think they are fully at Stanford's level, but I definitely believe they are much closer to that than the team we saw fall apart against WSU and UW. We are watching a much different (and better) team come together right now. I am excited to see how they finish out the regular season and right now I think they actually have a pretty good chance at going on that run and win enough to get into the NCAAs. He "may" be thinking the selection committee won't be taking 9 pac-12 teams. Hope he is wrong though and nine get in. The run will start on Sunday. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 28, 2023 19:45:55 GMT -8
Yeah, there's been a couple of these doom and goom "no chance at tourney" comments in this thread. So the Beavers lose by 3 at Stanford and now suddenly they're out of the tourney? If the truth is that the Beavers are now a team that is closer in strength to Stanford, having played the Cardinal close and coming off a win against Oregon, then the Beavers could very well go on a stretch of wins to finish the regular season. I don't think they are fully at Stanford's level, but I definitely believe they are much closer to that than the team we saw fall apart against WSU and UW. We are watching a much different (and better) team come together right now. I am excited to see how they finish out the regular season and right now I think they actually have a pretty good chance at going on that run and win enough to get into the NCAAs. He "may" be thinking the selection committee won't be taking 9 pac-12 teams. Hope he is wrong though and nine get in. The run will start on Sunday. Well, and maybe Oregon State will finish above the possible ninth slot. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 28, 2023 19:58:13 GMT -8
It's not a question of whether Noelle is equal to Gabby (who doesn't play for the Beav's any more) but who do you think should have played instead of her? AJ was hurt, Lily did pretty good out there but played about as much as she could, when she could. I'm not sure what was up with Lex, but she's not the defensive player that Noelle is. Who do you think is so much better? Well, here's one thought. He plays 3 guards (Bendu, Talia, and Noelle) and 2 'bigs' a lot of the time. I haven't checked the others, but I'd wager Talia and Bendu were both over 30 minutes yesterday. If you took minutes from Noelle, you would give them to Timea, Raegan or Jelena (and AJ when healthy) instead. If you're looking at your team and asking who's better than Noelle, you don't have a team that belongs in a power 5 conference. AJ not going to play, Timea is playing as much as she can, and playing the posts at the guard is not probably not going to work. In the presser after the game Tara mentioned that someone (Noelle) was chasing Jump all over the court and so she became a non factor. I think Noelle did just fine for most of the game. The only times she becomes a problem is when Rueck ignores her height and asks her to do things that she can't do. ie guard someone who is 6"'s taller than her, or inbound the ball past someone who is 6"'s taller than her etc. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 28, 2023 20:03:18 GMT -8
It's not a question of whether Noelle is equal to Gabby (who doesn't play for the Beav's any more) but who do you think should have played instead of her? AJ was hurt, Lily did pretty good out there but played about as much as she could, when she could. I'm not sure what was up with Lex, but she's not the defensive player that Noelle is. Who do you think is so much better? Well, here's one thought. He plays 3 guards (Bendu, Talia, and Noelle) and 2 'bigs' a lot of the time. I haven't checked the others, but I'd wager Talia and Bendu were both over 30 minutes yesterday. If you took minutes from Noelle, you would give them to Timea, Raegan or Jelena (and AJ when healthy) instead. If you're looking at your team and asking who's better than Noelle, you don't have a team that belongs in a power 5 conference. Well, yeah, that's the thing...AJ was out. And Mannen definitely shut down Hannah Jump (0-7 3 pt, 2-8 overall). That proved to be extremely valuable for OSU and was a factor in why the game was close. In a perfect world, the Beavers wouldn't have to play Mannen 37 minutes. But right now the Beavers have a far from perfect situation in the backcourt. The addition of a true point guard who can play starter's minutes would no doubt push down Mannen's playing time to an extent. And I do agree that Rueck needs to start finding as many extra minutes for Gardiner as possible as she now seems pretty well acclimated to the college game. So some can certainly come from Mannen and probably should. As for the last comment, Mannen played 37 minutes and the Beavers nearly upset Stanford (one of the best teams in the country) on the road. Pretty sure a team that doesn't belong in a Power 5 conference would get destroyed in the same situation. |
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 28, 2023 20:16:59 GMT -8
The Good news for the Beavs is that they have 5 games remaining against teams with the worst current records in the Pac 12. If they win those games, they finish Pac12 play with 8 wins (16 overall), which gets you in the NIT, but probably not the NCAA. A chance, but a slim chance.
Can the Beavs win all those games (Wash, Wash St, Ariz St, Cal, USC) and pull off a win against the top of the conference games remaining (UCLA, Colorado, UTAH, Arizona)? This Beaver team has been inconsistent but they have played very well against top teams, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, and Arizona, so we should all know it can be done, but we also can't discount the poor performances against Washington and Washington State.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 28, 2023 20:36:26 GMT -8
Mannen will get the minutes that she deserves. She is like a mosquito to the player she is guarding, makes a pest of herself. It's almost like she spent a couple years playing against Aleah and Destiny. If a player takes her minutes away that is a good sign for the Beavs.
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Post by boydo on Jan 28, 2023 23:21:56 GMT -8
Mannen should not be leading the team in minutes. You already have two guards on the court and defenses tend to sag off of her. I don't understand why Blacklock and Hansford do not get some of those minutes. Late in the game and you need a three pointer you have much better options on the bench.
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Post by grayman on Jan 29, 2023 0:19:30 GMT -8
Mannen should not be leading the team in minutes. You already have two guards on the court and defenses tend to sag off of her. I don't understand why Blacklock and Hansford do not get some of those minutes. Late in the game and you need a three pointer you have much better options on the bench. Again, the Beavers nearly pull off an upset of Stanford on the road and Mannen playing 37 minutes was somehow a big problem. I don't think Blacklock and Hansford are better options than Mannen in almost any circumstance right now. Rueck did play both late in the game anyway, but things got derailed. I don't always agree with Rueck, but he's shown that he doesn't hesitate to give real minutes to young players when they show that they are up to the task. Blacklock and Hansford aren't ready. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 29, 2023 0:46:42 GMT -8
The Good news for the Beavs is that they have 5 games remaining against teams with the worst current records in the Pac 12. If they win those games, they finish Pac12 play with 8 wins (16 overall), which gets you in the NIT, but probably not the NCAA. A chance, but a slim chance. Can the Beavs win all those games (Wash, Wash St, Ariz St, Cal, USC) and pull off a win against the top of the conference games remaining (UCLA, Colorado, UTAH, Arizona)? This Beaver team has been inconsistent but they have played very well against top teams, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, and Arizona, so we should all know it can be done, but we also can't discount the poor performances against Washington and Washington State. Well, I say that this Beaver team is not the same as the Beaver team just a couple weeks ago. Even with that, I kind of disagree that the Beavers have been inconsistent. The Beavers are 11-9. They have lost to No. 10 Iowa, No. 16 Duke, No. 4 LSU, No. 19 Arizona, split with Oregon, which was in the top 25 at the time of both games and No. 3 Stanford. They lost to USC but bounced back to defeat No. 8 UCLA. So six of their nine losses came against ranked teams. Nine of 11 wins have come against opponents that the Beavers should defeat. Seems pretty consistent to me. My opinion at this point is that the WSU and Washington weekend was an outlier. The Beavers looked disjointed, disorganized and just terrible in general. The win against Oregon and the strong game at Stanford indicates a team that for the most part is starting to click and we all know about Gardiner's impact. The one remaining unknown at this point is if TVO can completely get out of her shooting slump. She had a good game against the Ducks but struggled against Stanford. If she gets hot to finish out the regular season, the Beavers are going to win those five games and more. |
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Post by jimbob on Jan 29, 2023 18:22:46 GMT -8
The Good news for the Beavs is that they have 5 games remaining against teams with the worst current records in the Pac 12. If they win those games, they finish Pac12 play with 8 wins (16 overall), which gets you in the NIT, but probably not the NCAA. A chance, but a slim chance. Can the Beavs win all those games (Wash, Wash St, Ariz St, Cal, USC) and pull off a win against the top of the conference games remaining (UCLA, Colorado, UTAH, Arizona)? This Beaver team has been inconsistent but they have played very well against top teams, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA, and Arizona, so we should all know it can be done, but we also can't discount the poor performances against Washington and Washington State. Ooops....0-1 to start out in those 5 games....and I'm worried about 3 of the other 4---namely USC, WSU and UW! |
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