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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 15, 2023 18:31:52 GMT -8
I have a few thoughts. I don't watch much women's basketball but I've watched parts of maybe six games this year. The first thing that jumped out at me was some of our players were lacking in basic basketball skills . . . eg a jump stop, a short (3-feet-ish) hook, using your off hand for a bounce or two on the dribble. A person could argue even a better three-point stroke fits in this category. I wondered why? My answer is there is not urgency to learn and get better. Where should that urgency originate? I believe it should start with the head coach and be implemented through the assistants. There are a couple of exceptions but the players coming into OSU are very good. Nearly all of them are four and five-star recruits. Some have left but there is talent here. Recruiting is only a minor problem. What has changed and is reflected in the changing won/loss record? It's pollyannaish to say the rest of the conference has gotten better. What's changed is the management. During my professional career when I had a project manager that seemed to be lacking, I'd get him/her some help. And this applied to me also when my boss would get me some help. I understood people have their ups and downs and sometimes help is needed. But it also serves as a kick or an eye-opener because if you are getting help instead of giving help it means you are not that valuable. Barnes needs to get Rueck some help. I don't know what that looks like. But I know if the men's team could go back to around 1987 and revisit some decisions they would. I hope the last three years of the women's team is not the equivalent to 1987 - 1991 for the guys. Not totally sure what you're getting at here...do you mean the decision to hire Jimmy Anderson? He didn't start until 89-90. That year the Beavers tied for first in the Pac-10 and made the NCAA Tournament for the third straight year. The drought started in 90-91. Yep, 3 NCAA appearances and a PAC 12 Championship in those years. You don’t want that…..lol |
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Post by grayman on Jan 15, 2023 18:35:36 GMT -8
Yeah, too many posters are complaining about Mannen and making her somewhat of a scapegoat. But she does play pretty well, makes good decisions, has hit a few shots lately and plays hard on defense. Yes, she has some physical drawbacks, but she makes up for them to a degree through effort. The amount of criticism she gets is a little over the top, but I do think it's sparked by the fact that she starts and she played 33 minutes (tied with Yeaney for most) against WSU and 32 today (tied with TVO for second most). I think fans are really rubbed the wrong way by Rueck giving her so many minutes. It doesn't help that the team is losing and fans see Rueck starting and playing a walk-on so much as if she is the big key for this team's success. I appreciate your thoughts grayman. However, I cringe a little at the walk on reference. Oh no, not that! Noelle has worked hard to be a part of this team and I don't think that Rueck for 1 second thinks that she is the catalyst for this team. She is, however, right now playing better than some of the so-called non-walk-ons. I'm just asking for people to leave her alone and let her play basketball. If we all want to gripe, let's take it up with the Coach, not Noelle. I don't care if she's a walk-on. I was just speculating on how a lot of people/posters see her: "...fans see Rueck starting and playing a walk-on so much as if she's the big key for this team's success." But do you think she's so good that she should be starting and playing over 30 minutes a game? While I absolutely agree that posters have been too critical of her, I think it's a legitimate question. And personally, I think the answer is no. I don't really care if she starts all that much, but I don't believe she does enough over 30-plus minutes to help the team win. She doesn't bring a lot of offense to the table and she definitely can be a defensive liability. I've defended her when people have been critical, but she's not a viable long-term answer at guard for this team moving forward. She should come off the bench for short stretches of time. I guess my point is I think she's a very good role player and she should not sit until the last two or three minutes of a game but she shouldn't be getting 30-plus minutes either. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 15, 2023 18:39:59 GMT -8
I appreciate your thoughts grayman. However, I cringe a little at the walk on reference. Oh no, not that! Noelle has worked hard to be a part of this team and I don't think that Rueck for 1 second thinks that she is the catalyst for this team. She is, however, right now playing better than some of the so-called non-walk-ons. I'm just asking for people to leave her alone and let her play basketball. If we all want to gripe, let's take it up with the Coach, not Noelle. I don't care if she's a walk-on. I was just speculating on how a lot of people/posters see her: "...fans see Rueck starting and playing a walk-on so much as if she's the big key for this team's success." But do you think she's so good that she should be starting and playing over 30 minutes a game? While I absolutely agree that posters have been too critical of her, I think it's a legitimate question. And personally, I think the answer is no. I don't really care if she starts all that much, but I don't believe she does enough over 30-plus minutes to help the team win. She doesn't bring a lot of offense to the table and she definitely can be a defensive liability. I've defended her when people have been critical, but she's not a viable long-term answer at guard for this team moving forward. She should come off the bench for short stretches of time. I guess my point is I think she's a very good role player and she should not sit until the last two or three minutes of a game but she shouldn't be getting 30-plus minutes either. She hasn’t been a walk-on for a couple of years. But yes, she should be a 10 minute per game player and that’s it. |
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Post by standerd on Jan 15, 2023 18:48:20 GMT -8
I don't care if she's a walk-on. I was just speculating on how a lot of people/posters see her: "...fans see Rueck starting and playing a walk-on so much as if she's the big key for this team's success." But do you think she's so good that she should be starting and playing over 30 minutes a game? While I absolutely agree that posters have been too critical of her, I think it's a legitimate question. And personally, I think the answer is no. I don't really care if she starts all that much, but I don't believe she does enough over 30-plus minutes to help the team win. She doesn't bring a lot of offense to the table and she definitely can be a defensive liability. I've defended her when people have been critical, but she's not a viable long-term answer at guard for this team moving forward. She should come off the bench for short stretches of time. I guess my point is I think she's a very good role player and she should not sit until the last two or three minutes of a game but she shouldn't be getting 30-plus minutes either. She hasn’t been a walk-on for a couple of years. But yes, she should be a 10 minute per game player and that’s it. I totally get what you are trying to get at. But its not Noelle's call, its the Coach's call. Take it up with him. I just want folks on this forum to leave her alone. Enough is enough. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 15, 2023 18:54:53 GMT -8
Obviously UW can coast at this point, but I still think the last 5 of Timea, Raegan, AJ, Talia, and Bendu is probably our best 5. My daughter said the same @beaverwbb fan. This is our best 5, and they need to play a large majority of the minutes, including starting the game. You have to learn something from every game, win or lose. Lesson #1: We won the 2nd half because we made UW work to get the ball from back court to front court. Other PAC-12 teams press most of the game, why don't we press the entire game? We can rotate other players in when someone gets tired. UW did not play as well, shoot as well, and we caused turnovers all over the court when we made UW work harder. We won the 2nd half. Lesson #2: Play your best players from the tip. We have enough players who can play important minutes when our starting 5 best players need a rest. Lesson #3: At this point in the season, it is imperative we do what we need to do to ensure our core players are playing enough minutes so they don't have thoughts of the portal We can beat UO. GO BEAVS! With the exception of maybe Stanford we can beat every team left on the schedule |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 15, 2023 18:58:42 GMT -8
My daughter said the same @beaverwbb fan. This is our best 5, and they need to play a large majority of the minutes, including starting the game. You have to learn something from every game, win or lose. Lesson #1: We won the 2nd half because we made UW work to get the ball from back court to front court. Other PAC-12 teams press most of the game, why don't we press the entire game? We can rotate other players in when someone gets tired. UW did not play as well, shoot as well, and we caused turnovers all over the court when we made UW work harder. We won the 2nd half. Lesson #2: Play your best players from the tip. We have enough players who can play important minutes when our starting 5 best players need a rest. Lesson #3: At this point in the season, it is imperative we do what we need to do to ensure our core players are playing enough minutes so they don't have thoughts of the portal We can beat UO. GO BEAVS! With the exception of maybe Stanford we can beat every team left on the schedule Probably, considering we should’ve beat Arizona, had every chance to beat Oregon, and beat UCLA. Not sure we can hang with Utah - they’re going to be a Washington 2.0. Unless we play really, really good defense and shoot extremely well - we’ll have to pray for an off day. We can also lose to every team left on the schedule. |
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Post by beav74 on Jan 15, 2023 21:11:57 GMT -8
I agree that our guard play is our weakest link. We don’t have a good outside game which is enabling teams to collapse inside on us. I give Noelle credit for not being part of the problem but trying to be part of the solution.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 15, 2023 21:25:22 GMT -8
Did anyone notice the similarities between the Stanford and OSU losses? Brinks going 0/5 from the three and Timea doing the same. Have I mentioned I HATE bigs shooting the three?
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Post by lotrader on Jan 15, 2023 21:46:42 GMT -8
Coach Rueck has in the past had very good defensive teams w/decent perimeter defenders. We usually were in games in Q4. We are very soft defensively on the perimeter. It is especially noticeable when you contrast us against opponents that hound our guards literally from the inbound pass, back court to front court.
Until the end of today's game our coaches were content to let our opponent walk the ball up the court, and comfortably set up in their offense before we attempted to defend. Something has to change defensively or we are going to get rolled every game (or until we have an offense that can score consistently in the half court).
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Post by boydo on Jan 15, 2023 23:13:38 GMT -8
Everyone needs to cool off and remember 2 of our top 4 players are true freshman...that were top 10 recruits...that all stops if Rueck leaves. Does anyone else recall any other true freshman playing at this level to start with? We've had terrible luck with covid, transfers and injuries...what I saw with aj, Talia, Reagen and Timea today looks like an amazing core to me. The problem is coaching. Washington got off wide open shots all game long and our offense was all one-on-one and the shots highly contested. The Huskies would go around a screen and be wide open. There was no adjustment to fix the problem. That was terrible defense all game long. |
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Post by abeck on Jan 16, 2023 6:50:47 GMT -8
Everyone needs to cool off and remember 2 of our top 4 players are true freshman...that were top 10 recruits...that all stops if Rueck leaves. Does anyone else recall any other true freshman playing at this level to start with? We've had terrible luck with covid, transfers and injuries...what I saw with aj, Talia, Reagen and Timea today looks like an amazing core to me. The problem is coaching. Washington got off wide open shots all game long and our offense was all one-on-one and the shots highly contested. The Huskies would go around a screen and be wide open. There was no adjustment to fix the problem. That was terrible defense all game long. I agree...but think that has alot to do with freshman playing big minutes. |
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Post by rafer on Jan 16, 2023 7:29:22 GMT -8
My daughter said the same @beaverwbb fan. This is our best 5, and they need to play a large majority of the minutes, including starting the game. You have to learn something from every game, win or lose. Lesson #1: We won the 2nd half because we made UW work to get the ball from back court to front court. Other PAC-12 teams press most of the game, why don't we press the entire game? We can rotate other players in when someone gets tired. UW did not play as well, shoot as well, and we caused turnovers all over the court when we made UW work harder. We won the 2nd half. Lesson #2: Play your best players from the tip. We have enough players who can play important minutes when our starting 5 best players need a rest. Lesson #3: At this point in the season, it is imperative we do what we need to do to ensure our core players are playing enough minutes so they don't have thoughts of the portal We can beat UO. GO BEAVS! With the exception of maybe Stanford we can beat every team left on the schedule Beat every team?? What team have you been watching? We can also lose them all!! |
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Post by rafer on Jan 16, 2023 7:40:24 GMT -8
Swept by the Washington schools… pathetic no matter what way you spin it. Scott needs to step it up. If that isn't just terribly embarrassing I don't know what is!! Couldn't watch it, but, you don't get your azz handed to you by the Washington schools without a lack of plain ole hustle and desire, imo. Was it as depressing as it seems to be? |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 16, 2023 8:38:41 GMT -8
Swept by the Washington schools… pathetic no matter what way you spin it. Scott needs to step it up. If that isn't just terribly embarrassing I don't know what is!! Couldn't watch it, but, you don't get your azz handed to you by the Washington schools without a lack of plain ole hustle and desire, imo. Was it as depressing as it seems to be? As a team, I saw hustle & desire in the 2nd half of Q4. We pressed UW and it was very effective. That was it from a defensive perspective. OSU has enough bodies to press the entire game, and at this point, we should press the entire game. Besides, it will get these kids in great condition. I recently managed to get a hold of video of the 1980-81 Men's basketball team practices. You should have seen the conditioning drills Ralph Miller put that team through! It is no wonder that team was so impressive. Miller had 3v3 full court drills, and if your team was scored upon, your 3-man team stayed on the court for the next full court 3-man team until your team scored. Those OSU guards were in amazing shape and just wore out the opposition with their defensive pressure. |
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 16, 2023 10:47:18 GMT -8
OSU's press was working because UW was trying to burn time, not score. ASU used to use the press a lot and it was rather effective, but they also had two full squads of players that they rotated, we don't have that luxury.
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