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Post by grayman on Jan 14, 2023 11:31:57 GMT -8
If I came all the way out here from Wisconsin to sit on the bench of the 8th place team, why would I stay next year? Asking for a friend. I get what you're saying but do you really think that playing Hansford a lot is going to make any real difference? I guess Rueck could do it just to see how she handles more playing time. Maybe she starts hitting 3s. I don't think she's particularly fast or anything and probably is not a defensive stopper, so it would really boil down to shooting. Which they do need. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 14, 2023 11:33:33 GMT -8
Let's add "drama queen" to the growing list of description (6'5" rec player, a guy that has coached a little, and troll) for judge SMALLS. Show me where I said I was 6’5”? And telling the truth is not trolling. 8th place is 8th place. |
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 14, 2023 11:42:20 GMT -8
With current transfer rules, there is going to be a lot of players transfer out after their freshman year (we've already seen players transfer out during their freshman year...ask the ducks), whether they get playing time or not. Most freshman don't get many minutes. Take a look at Arizona as an example. Three highly ranked freshman who aren't getting much playing time. The Beavs have 5 freshmen. I guess SR could start them all. Do you think that would bring them all back next year? It didn't work for Sasha or Greta. If players transfer, then the coaches need to be successful in the transfer portal.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 14, 2023 11:46:15 GMT -8
On how Mit isn't good enough for the pac-12.
Brinks and Marshal I think are better defensively then Mit, Brink maybe the best in the country. What other post in the Pac-12 do you think is as good defensively as Mit? So it's not some huge lack on Mit's part, it's that Beers is the only offensive threat going for us consistently now and WSU figured that out and pounded her inside.
With WSU packing the inside I don't understand why Beers and Mit, both good mid-range shooters, didn't get pulled out to shoot from there and free up the inside for driving if the person guarding them followed.
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Post by grayman on Jan 14, 2023 12:04:18 GMT -8
On how Mit isn't good enough for the pac-12. Brinks and Marshal I think are better defensively then Mit, Brink maybe the best in the country. What other post in the Pac-12 do you think is as good defensively as Mit? So it's not some huge lack on Mit's part, it's that Beers is the only offensive threat going for us consistently now and WSU figured that out and pounded her inside. With WSU packing the inside I don't understand why Beers and Mit, both good mid-range shooters, didn't get pulled out to shoot from there and free up the inside for driving if the person guarding them followed. I never said she wasn't good enough for the Pac-12. I think she would be a role player for every other team. She's 6-9 and therefore has the ability to obstruct/block shots with her height and length. She has decent touch around the basket and can hit open midrange shots. She is pretty slow and does not have good agility compared to most other players. Just really bad in traffic. I will say that Beers played 28 minutes against WSU and Mit played 12, which is about right. Beers does need to show a midrange game and I agree that Rueck should have had the wherewithal to make that adjustment. I think Mit did take one or two at least. Beers is just a much more agile post than Mit. She can't affect shots like Mit can, but she does everything else at a higher level. Rebounds in particular. Just done with more power and smoother motion to the ball. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 14, 2023 12:13:03 GMT -8
Maybe somebody can explain the following to me, last night and many prior games our bigs let an offensive player shoot an uncontested 8 foot or so shot. They just stand under the hoop and watch the player shoot. They don't move toward the offensive player or put a hand up. It happens often.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 14, 2023 12:15:10 GMT -8
On how Mit isn't good enough for the pac-12. Brinks and Marshal I think are better defensively then Mit, Brink maybe the best in the country. What other post in the Pac-12 do you think is as good defensively as Mit? So it's not some huge lack on Mit's part, it's that Beers is the only offensive threat going for us consistently now and WSU figured that out and pounded her inside. With WSU packing the inside I don't understand why Beers and Mit, both good mid-range shooters, didn't get pulled out to shoot from there and free up the inside for driving if the person guarding them followed. I never said she wasn't good enough for the Pac-12. I think she would be a role player for every other team. She's 6-9 and therefore has the ability to obstruct/block shots with her height and length. She has decent touch around the basket and can hit open midrange shots. She is pretty slow and does not have good agility compared to most other players. Just really bad in traffic. I will say that Beers played 28 minutes against WSU and Mit played 12, which is about right. Beers does need to show a midrange game and I agree that Rueck should have had the wherewithal to make that adjustment. I think Mit did take one or two at least. Beers is just a much more agile post than Mit. She can't affect shots like Mit can, but she does everything else at a higher level. Rebounds in particular. Just done with more power and smoother motion to the ball. Beers plays 28 (the best player on the team) and mannen gets 33. Something ain't right. |
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Post by beavblvr on Jan 14, 2023 12:23:59 GMT -8
Disappointed watching yesterday’s game for sure, especially after looking pretty darn good down in Arizona. I also do not want to second guess Scott and his staff at all or question their decisions, I don’t have the coaching quals that he does — and I believe Scott has done an amazing job and been highly successful at both GFU and OSU (has also recruited some top notch players and quality young ladies over the years)! But I can at least post my opinion from my observations of what I’ve seen from this team so far this season, and who I feel I would like to see the majority of minutes played the next few games. I’m sure I will get some disagreement from folks or jostling of the list, but I’m hoping to see the most (or more) minutes from (order from top to bottom):
Raegan
Timea
Bendu
Talia
AJ or Shalexxus
Shalexxus or AJ
Martha
Noelle
Jelena
Adlee
Lily
Again, just an observation from someone not qualified to be a Pac-12 coach for sure; and not taking anything away from the coaching staff we have or the decisions they get to rightfully make, just my little observation and hopes of playing time in future games to see how the team would do. Hoping this teams plays a heck of a game tomorrow against the Huskies, Go Beavs!
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Post by grayman on Jan 14, 2023 13:00:47 GMT -8
Disappointed watching yesterday’s game for sure, especially after looking pretty darn good down in Arizona. I also do not want to second guess Scott and his staff at all or question their decisions, I don’t have the coaching quals that he does — and I believe Scott has done an amazing job and been highly successful at both GFU and OSU (has also recruited some top notch players and quality young ladies over the years)! But I can at least post my opinion from my observations of what I’ve seen from this team so far this season, and who I feel I would like to see the majority of minutes played the next few games. I’m sure I will get some disagreement from folks or jostling of the list, but I’m hoping to see the most (or more) minutes from (order from top to bottom): Raegan Timea Bendu Talia AJ or Shalexxus Shalexxus or AJ Martha Noelle Jelena Adlee Lily Again, just an observation from someone not qualified to be a Pac-12 coach for sure; and not taking anything away from the coaching staff we have or the decisions they get to rightfully make, just my little observation and hopes of playing time in future games to see how the team would do. Hoping this teams plays a heck of a game tomorrow against the Huskies, Go Beavs! I think the list is pretty accurate and well thought out. Here's the thing...you don't have to be a Pac-12 coach to have an opinion. I don't know if you have any kind of background in any sport, but I do know there are plenty of posters who have played, coached, officiated or even kept stats at various levels. Few have been Division 1 coaches, but that doesn't mean they don't understand the game and some do at a very high level. Basketball is not exactly the most complicated sport on the planet. Most everything a Pac-12 coach does is based off of some basic templates. The best ones are able to recruit at a good level and get players that fit the system. Then it's about relating to the players, practicing productively, scouting/preparing for opponents, game planning, making in-game adjustments, etc. Those who say someone's opinion has no value because they aren't getting paid to do all those things are just wrong. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 14, 2023 15:56:35 GMT -8
My second question does mannen start for any other pac12 team? Does she start for any power 5 conference team? There is absolutely no path to success this year that includes her playing 33 minutes a game. Furthermore, any path to success does include Beers, Gardiner, and Marotte - and they all come off the bench. I had previously opined that, ultimately, any minutes Gardiner got would be minutes Mannen didn't. Turned out yesterday it was Mitrovic who was impacted. That's giving up about 16 inches, isn't it? |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 14, 2023 16:10:06 GMT -8
Mannen shoots 100%, second leading rebounder, and tied for most assists. But I think she’s most likely getting minutes because she’s making the fewest mistakes on both ends of the court. Some need to take her minutes by playing better, not just having more potential.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 14, 2023 16:51:05 GMT -8
Disappointed watching yesterday’s game for sure, especially after looking pretty darn good down in Arizona. I also do not want to second guess Scott and his staff at all or question their decisions, I don’t have the coaching quals that he does — and I believe Scott has done an amazing job and been highly successful at both GFU and OSU (has also recruited some top notch players and quality young ladies over the years)! But I can at least post my opinion from my observations of what I’ve seen from this team so far this season, and who I feel I would like to see the majority of minutes played the next few games. I’m sure I will get some disagreement from folks or jostling of the list, but I’m hoping to see the most (or more) minutes from (order from top to bottom): Raegan Timea Bendu Talia AJ or Shalexxus Shalexxus or AJ Martha Noelle Jelena Adlee Lily Again, just an observation from someone not qualified to be a Pac-12 coach for sure; and not taking anything away from the coaching staff we have or the decisions they get to rightfully make, just my little observation and hopes of playing time in future games to see how the team would do. Hoping this teams plays a heck of a game tomorrow against the Huskies, Go Beavs! I think the list is pretty accurate and well thought out. Here's the thing...you don't have to be a Pac-12 coach to have an opinion. I don't know if you have any kind of background in any sport, but I do know there are plenty of posters who have played, coached, officiated or even kept stats at various levels. Few have been Division 1 coaches, but that doesn't mean they don't understand the game and some do at a very high level. Basketball is not exactly the most complicated sport on the planet. Most everything a Pac-12 coach does is based off of some basic templates. The best ones are able to recruit at a good level and get players that fit the system. Then it's about relating to the players, practicing productively, scouting/preparing for opponents, game planning, making in-game adjustments, etc. Those who say someone's opinion has no value because they aren't getting paid to do all those things are just wrong. Maybe the plan is to get it all together by Vegas PAC Tourney...and then pull a Beaver Men's (circa 2021) scenario. Right now, I'm just hoping that Raegan Beers and Timea get some quality court time together, which catches the eye of a super talented high school (or portal) point guard who is thinking " damn! I'd really like to play with those two". One point guard, added to Raegan / Timea, with Talia thrown in as a wild card could produce some exciting results. |
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Post by standerd on Jan 14, 2023 17:28:34 GMT -8
Mannen shoots 100%, second leading rebounder, and tied for most assists. But I think she’s most likely getting minutes because she’s making the fewest mistakes on both ends of the court. Some need to take her minutes by playing better, not just having more potential. Appreciate your post about Mannen. Was getting irritated by the disrespect coming her way. Not everyone can be THE STAR; someone has to provide a foundation. Noelle is just that: she hustles; she's aggressive; she plays as hard as anyone on this team, she gets on the floor for the loose balls, has a knack for getting rebounds off of wayward shots, not afraid of contact, and she can throw a sweet pass to Beers for the easy 2. Until someone else steps up with her energy and focus, I do not begrudge Noelle her time. Play on I say. |
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Post by bmoc on Jan 14, 2023 17:30:41 GMT -8
I'm becoming more and more concerned about the health of Talia. She just looks like she's in pain. When she got subbed out in the first half, she was pressing on her right rotator cuff. If she has a problem that requires surgery, I'd rather see her taken out now, operated on in time to start next season. We also know that a little pain doesn't deter her in the slightest.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 14, 2023 17:32:05 GMT -8
Mannen shoots 100%, second leading rebounder, and tied for most assists. But I think she’s most likely getting minutes because she’s making the fewest mistakes on both ends of the court. Some need to take her minutes by playing better, not just having more potential. Did Mannen not wind up 'guarding' the girl who had about 7 inches on her and was 7 for 9? |
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