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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 13, 2023 21:27:31 GMT -8
Well, they looked like their plan was basically to take away our inside game and force us to beat them from 3. It worked. Early in the 1st quarter, when we were way up, I looked at the board and we were 2 of 4 from behind the line. We wound up 5 for 23, for a rousing 21.7%. That's the 9th game this year where we've been under 26%.
Mannen played 33 minutes. I know there was something wrong with Talia, but we're just not going to win many games where she plays 30 + minutes.
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Post by grayman on Jan 13, 2023 21:29:57 GMT -8
One big difference in the game tonight: WSU had their best players out on the court the majority of the game while OS had some of their best players sitting on the bench for long stretches during the game. I agree with many that our current starting lineup other than Bendu and Talia is very weak by Pac-12 standards---we have better options---need to use them! WSU is a good well-coached team with an all-star guard in Leger-Walker...one of the best players in the Pac-12...but I think we could have hung with them right to the end if we would have used our best players together more in this game. Pretty much on point. As much as I like Mit and Mannen, they are really more suited to be role players. And Mit's just a little too slow moving against a team like WSU, although the Cougars played pretty well against Beers as well. Leger-Walker makes a huge difference. The Beavers just don't have a player like her. She can run the point and she actually has very good quickness. Going into this game she was averaging 21.5 points, had the same amount of 3-point attempts as TVO but had made 10 more (38-88) for a .432 average. She averages 5.2 rebounds a game and has 59 assists to 43 turnovers and 23 steals. So like TVO, Leger-Walker is an excellent all-around player but she also scores at a high rate. A player like that can really lift a team. Maybe Gardiner will become that type of player. Hopefully we'll see that sooner rather than later. |
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Post by avidbeaver on Jan 13, 2023 21:30:12 GMT -8
It would help if the shooting was better than 36.7 from the field and 21.7 from the three point line. This team is struggling to get the ball in the hoop. If they shoot better some the problems mentioned would be less of an issue. There would still be issues mentioned in this and other threads The three point shot has always been a huge part of Ruecks philosophy. If you can't make them it's hard to win. I would like to see Rueck feed the low post more. Rueck is unlikely to change his way of doing things. Tough road ahead if the shooting percentage doesn't improve.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 13, 2023 21:36:38 GMT -8
Some random thoughts:
- SR got outcoached tonight - WSU had schemes in place to neutralize our strengths and scorers, we seemed to be discovering who their best players were as the night wore on. Cold shooting 3 night, but credit WSU with contesting all but the TVO NBA heaves
- I wonder where recent SR teams would be with ~5 fewer TOs a game - and note I can think of ~5 TOs a game that come more from inattention or not valuing the rock than the opponent - these are not "high risk, high reward" TOs but more stranding the inbounder or passing into obvious traffic types
- Mannen needs to not pick up her dribble until there is a good reason
- Timea looks like the real deal
- TVO - no diamond shaped taping on the leg, but a shield on the face to start the game
- Mitro has some tendencies that seem very deeply ingrained - bringing the ball down and feeling a need to dribble even when right under the basket (she might just not have that innate sense of "where am I with respect to the basket?" and is using the movement to get positional awareness
- current assistants seem to have switched to de-caf compared to the last batch
- I didn't think we were shooting well enough to wholesale head back on defense the second any Beaver shot went up, but maybe their speed concerned us? There were some rebounds that it seemed could have been contested if not won outright by a Beaver vacating very early
- Preseason showings by Blacklock, Martha and Lily had me thinking they would get some more minutes then they are thus far
- the biggest weakness on this team is we don't seem to have a consistent "let me go get a bucket" player right now - at least we didn't tonight
- "Fouling for profit" seems to have gone by the wayside as a 2 minute endgame strategy - not that it would have mattered tonight, since we didn't have anyone who could trade their 2 FTs for a 3
Will be interesting to see how the rest of the season plays out, but that is 2 Pac-12 games in very recent memory that I thought were doomed by our execution down the stretch. Can Timea's return get us to Big Dance? Are we going to repeat visit the NIT? Right now I wouldn't bet the farm on either occurring......
Go Beavers!
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Post by grayman on Jan 13, 2023 21:41:14 GMT -8
It would help if the shooting was better than 36.7 from the field and 21.7 from the three point line. This team is struggling to get the ball in the hoop. If they shoot better some the problems mentioned would be less of an issue. There would still be issues mentioned in this and other threads The three point shot has always been a huge part of Ruecks philosophy. If you can't make them it's hard to win. I would like to see Rueck feed the low post more. Rueck is unlikely to change his way of doing things. Tough road ahead if the shooting percentage doesn't improve. This has been the problem all season. But, as you said, Rueck's not going to change anything. |
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Post by larbeav on Jan 13, 2023 21:54:07 GMT -8
Really wouldn't mind if Pac-12 Network just kept the cameras on the court for time outs and the half. Why? |
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Post by grayman on Jan 13, 2023 22:05:51 GMT -8
Really wouldn't mind if Pac-12 Network just kept the cameras on the court for time outs and the half. Why? No real big reason, just want to watch what's going on at the game, not a static photo of mountains or whatever. |
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Post by standerd on Jan 13, 2023 22:13:52 GMT -8
AAArrrggghhh! This game was so disjointed! I am exhausted! Still wondering if Rueck can find the rhythm! That's like his job, right?
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 13, 2023 22:50:13 GMT -8
It's good to know that Timea is the real deal. It's bad that OSU after a streak of good play had such a bad game.
They didn't get back on defense several times for easy WSU scores.
They never did figure out how to attack WSU's defense. The score would have been much worse if OSU hadn't gotten 3-4 scores as the clock went off.
Why oh why did Rueck have Mannen defending Wallack? Career day for her being defended by someone 8" shorter than her. Reminds me of when he'd put Mik against players 4-5 inches taller. Mik and Mannen are good defenders but there is only so much you can do against that much height differential.
Did TOV score a single time while wearing the mask?
The ref's weren't calling any fouls inside, on either side, so Beers had a rough night being hammered repeatedly. And since OSU doesn't do much of the fouling thing this was very much to WSU's benefit.
In the shoot arounds the team was nailing the three. I can understand why they had a hard time believing that they were going to keep missing.
I do not understand why SR had Lex in there so much and not AJ. AJ this game was better offensively and defensively. Which is easy to say after the game, to me it seemed obvious during the game.
So now before the UW game need to figure out how to get Beers back into the game, and hope that Timea can get more minutes.
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Post by sparty on Jan 13, 2023 23:15:35 GMT -8
Wait, I thought that Timea was the missing piece? And I got got crucified for saying this is a 6-8th place team. And this loss puts us in 8th. I will be patiently awaiting apologies. It is not about the team anymore. It is about how each player plays as an individual rather than the sum of the parts. Sad but true. On to baseball.
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Post by bmoc on Jan 13, 2023 23:22:19 GMT -8
Frustrating loss. Didn't have to be one. Everybody get some rest and let's kick some Husky ass on Sunday!
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Post by grayman on Jan 13, 2023 23:22:43 GMT -8
It's good to know that Timea is the real deal. It's bad that OSU after a streak of good play had such a bad game. They didn't get back on defense several times for easy WSU scores. They never did figure out how to attack WSU's defense. The score would have been much worse if OSU hadn't gotten 3-4 scores as the clock went off. Why oh why did Rueck have Mannen defending Wallack? Career day for her being defended by someone 8" shorter than her. Reminds me of when he'd put Mik against players 4-5 inches taller. Mik and Mannen are good defenders but there is only so much you can do against that much height differential. Did TOV score a single time while wearing the mask? The ref's weren't calling any fouls inside, on either side, so Beers had a rough night being hammered repeatedly. And since OSU doesn't do much of the fouling thing this was very much to WSU's benefit. In the shoot arounds the team was nailing the three. I can understand why they had a hard time believing that they were going to keep missing. I do not understand why SR had Lex in there so much and not AJ. AJ this game was better offensively and defensively. Which is easy to say after the game, to me it seemed obvious during the game. So now before the UW game need to figure out how to get Beers back into the game, and hope that Timea can get more minutes. Agree on Timea. I no longer have any idea what Rueck thinks he's doing personnel-wise. A lot of what he's been doing doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. Beers will be just fine, but officials need to understand that she is generally the more gifted player and that her size is an advantage, not something to penalize with non-calls. I'm not saying they should favor her, but they need to call contact when it happens. I'm coming to the conclusion that most of the players on the team (aside from the two freshmen guards, who aren't playing enough to judge) are really what most would consider backups and/or role players. The exceptions would be Beers, TVO and now Gardiner with Marotte, Aaron and Yeaney on the borderline, meaning they have moments of very good play but don't sustain those moments. Mit would fit here skill-wise, but I think her lack of overall athleticism relegates her to role player level. With TVO in a shooting slump, there just isn't enough offensive firepower on the team to go with Beers inside. The offense lacks consistent movement and often seems disjointed and chaotic. I keep saying it, but they are in dire need of a very good point guard. I think Rueck should play Beers and Gardiner as much as possible, along with Yeaney, TVO (unless she starts missing like she did tonight), Marotte and Aaron. Mannen can come in to add spark but not 33 minutes worth. Mit needs to play fewer minutes as well unless she matches up well enough athletically with the opponent. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 13, 2023 23:23:36 GMT -8
It would help if the shooting was better than 36.7 from the field and 21.7 from the three point line. This team is struggling to get the ball in the hoop. If they shoot better some the problems mentioned would be less of an issue. There would still be issues mentioned in this and other threads The three point shot has always been a huge part of Ruecks philosophy. If you can't make them it's hard to win. I would like to see Rueck feed the low post more. Rueck is unlikely to change his way of doing things. Tough road ahead if the shooting percentage doesn't improve. This has been the problem all season. But, as you said, Rueck's not going to change anything. I will be the third or fourth person in this thread that will say Rueck's not going to change anything. Five or so years ago no one would ever say that. What has changed? |
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Post by grayman on Jan 13, 2023 23:29:48 GMT -8
This has been the problem all season. But, as you said, Rueck's not going to change anything. I will be the third or fourth person in this thread that will say Rueck's not going to change anything. Five or so years ago no one would ever say that. What has changed? I've been saying this for a couple years now, but the landscape of women's college basketball has changed, IMO. More and more teams started to emphasize rosters with speed and quickness to push the pace on offense and run suffocating presses on defense. That has been more noticeable in recent years. So what has changed? Not Rueck. |
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Post by carlosdanger on Jan 13, 2023 23:51:07 GMT -8
I've been saying this for a couple years now, but the landscape of women's college basketball has changed, IMO. More and more teams started to emphasize rosters with speed and quickness to push the pace on offense and run suffocating presses on defense. That has been more noticeable in recent years. So what has changed? Not Rueck.
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