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Post by grad1973 on Jan 8, 2023 14:26:49 GMT -8
Part of that is how many shots they’ve missed. 17-70 24.3% ...and some typical LONG rebounds off missed 3-pt shots...bouncing beyond the reach of Beavs nearer the hoop. She did miss threeeasy lay ups in the second half though. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 8, 2023 14:28:57 GMT -8
My least favorite play of the game was when the Beavs possibly set an all-time record and had 2 turnovers in 0 seconds. At 0:54 left in the game TVO had a turnover - and then with no time used, ASU turned it over. That set the stage for a second Beaver TO without any clicks of the clock. Unless I'm mistaken that was when the Beavs were inbounding from slightly into the back court/sideline. The long lob crosscourt, (and slightly backward), pass sailed out of bounds over AJ's head.
What made it so maddening is that 2 seconds before that horrible inbounds pass was thrown, Beers was apparently open out top in the front court....only about 20-25 feet away from the inbounder (Bendu, I believe).
On the other hand, at least the Beavs pulled off a couple of their stock-in-trade in-bound plays under the basket that led to quick short range jump shots.
Final thought - any road win in the PAC-12 is an accomplishment!
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Post by beavblvr on Jan 8, 2023 14:35:36 GMT -8
TVO is a good player, I would hate to see her portal out. My question was truly about if anyone had any idea about a possible nagging injury she is battling, she just doesn’t quite seem like normal TVO to me (but always tough to find out about injuries from staff). I agree that she seems to do better when we have other really good 3 pt shooting guards on the team on the team (like Aleah G was), and less responsibility for driving to make things happen for the team.
She’s been in a little slump shooting lately, but she’s a tough young lady that will keep on battling for this team!, I have no doubt. She will fight thru this, and maybe some offensive adjustments necessary with more passing and catch and shoot possibilities for TVO. Timea should provide another 3pt threat who can also drive and create as a forward. Also think if AJ keeps hitting shots and can drive and pull up to make mid-range jump shots, will also help take some pressure off TVO. More inside passes to Beers, and if double teamed, kickback out to open guards for made 3’s should help too.
Definitely a good sign to see our 3pt shooting improving, will just make the inside/out game stat much stronger!
Do like what o saw from the team this weekend, we are making strides and improving as this young group learns to play the game together! Much better team defense this weekend as well, lots of switching with screens and staying a little closer on 3pt shooters! Looking forward to see how we do next weekend. Go Beavs!
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Post by grayman on Jan 8, 2023 14:35:41 GMT -8
Are they usually winning against quicker/faster teams? No. ASU has a lot of quick players but not a lot of good basketball players. Obviously, you want good players who have good quickness. Like what Stanford has. Or LSU. Or South Carolina. On and on and on. OSU would definitely benefit from having more team quickness and it would make the Beavers a much better team. Right now, the only player that truly matches up is Yeaney. It's especially noticeable when Mannen, Mit and TVO are on the court at the same time. It's not that Mannen and TVO are extremely slow, but they aren't particularly quick comparatively. IMO it is one of the main reasons they struggled against ASU's trapping defense and turned the ball over so much, Look, the need for more team speed/quickness is something that Rueck himself has acknowledged and has been trying to improve. Stanford and S. Caro. have 4 players, who were higher rated recruits than OSU has ever gotten, sitting on the bench. So yeah, lets have Rueck figure out how to manage that and we will win more games. On the list of all time OSU greats I'd list Jamie W. as the only one that was genuinely quick, so Jamie was the only actually good player that OSU has had? Being actually slow is a handicap but being quick isn't necessary to be a really good player. In the past three games, including two ranked teams, OSU has been the better team 95% of the time. Are they all slow also? PS- On the quick OSU greats, I never actually saw Ragland play so I dunno about her. Stanford and South Carolina landing elite players really isn't the point. I was using those schools as high level examples. You can add a few more good players who also bring speed and quickness without them being the top recruits in the country. I never said that being quick is necessary to be a really good player, but most great players have pretty good to great quickness and I would say that applies to a high level when it comes to guards, which is the area of need for OSU when it comes to adding quickness. Slocum was extremely quick and was a very good player. But it's been constant with Rueck's backcourts since he arrived. They were able to overcome it to an extent because while Sydney Wiese wasn't a prototypical point guard, she was a great player. Still had problems with turnovers. Pivec played a couple of years with Slocum and had decent quickness. Goodman had better quickness than people realized. But the game has changed. It has definitely swung in favor of more aggressive offenses that push the pace and require more speed and quickness to work. Again, Rueck himself has acknowledged the need to add more team speed. |
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Post by grayman on Jan 8, 2023 14:44:38 GMT -8
TVO is a good player, I would hate to see her portal out. My question was truly about if anyone had any idea about a possible nagging injury she is battling, she just doesn’t quite seem like normal TVO to me (but always tough to find out about injuries from staff). I agree that she seems to do better when we have other really good 3 pt shooting guards on the team on the team (like Aleah G was), and less responsibility for driving to make things happen for the team. She’s been in a little slump shooting lately, but she’s a tough young lady that will keep on battling for this team!, I have no doubt. She will fight thru this, and maybe some offensive adjustments necessary with more passing and catch and shoot possibilities for TVO. Timea should provide another 3pt threat who can also drive and create as a forward. Also think if AJ keeps hitting shots and can drive and pull up to make mid-range jump shots, will also help take some pressure off TVO. More inside passes to Beers, and if double teamed, kickback out to open guards for made 3’s should help too. Definitely a good sign to see our 3pt shooting improving, will just make the inside/out game stat much stronger! Do like what o saw from the team this weekend, we are making strides and improving as this young group learns to play the game together! Much better team defense this weekend as well, lots of switching with screens and staying a little closer on 3pt shooters! Looking forward to see how we do next weekend. Go Beavs! Yeah, my reaction was probably not warranted. Apologies. I just get tired of people wondering what is wrong (illness, injury, etc.) with TVO every time she struggles in some way. She could be banged up a bit, it happens throughout a season. She continues to lead the team in minutes played, so I doubt that there's anything going on that should be throwing her off significantly. Agree with the rest of your post as well. Just hope that TVO breaks out of this slump. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 8, 2023 14:55:39 GMT -8
My favorite part of the game: 2:46 left in 3rd, ASU pulls to within 4 points.
Over the next 1 minute 34 seconds Beavs go on an 8-0 run, with 100% of the scoring courtesy of Beers. Wow! It takes a special player to do that (helped along by some good passes from her teammates).
As a side note, in addition to the 8 points in 94 seconds, she also missed 3 FTs during that spell - never to miss another the rest of the game.
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 8, 2023 15:24:44 GMT -8
Beavers won both of these games in my opinion. We are on a roll at the right time. I don't think we have the power to jump without another star and hopefully we can get Timea back on court. She has the skill to do two important things. She will first lighten Beers load. She is carrying a lot for this team. With Timea that changes. They are out of the same cookie mold. If one gets cold or fouls the other is their. Plus all the other player supports. We will win going away soon when Timea gets in her groove
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Post by beavsteve on Jan 8, 2023 15:50:52 GMT -8
Beavers won both of these games in my opinion. We are on a roll at the right time. I don't think we have the power to jump without another star and hopefully we can get Timea back on court. She has the skill to do two important things. She will first lighten Beers load. She is carrying a lot for this team. With Timea that changes. They are out of the same cookie mold. If one gets cold or fouls the other is their. Plus all the other player supports. We will win going away soon when Timea gets in her groove Timea will help a lot, but the guards had 15 of our 20 turn-overs and I don’t see how that’s going to change much when we face the more athletic teams. Noelle is great for her size and plays smart, but her height and short arms make her easier to trap and force into bad passes. I’m looking forward to the addition of two more athletic, taller guards next year. |
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 8, 2023 16:02:42 GMT -8
Another stat that is not right for pac 12 play is the notion that beers rebound statistics are only eight rebounds a game. Pac 12 announcers are good at saying that she is fifth or sixth in rebounding in the league. They also say that Beers has had 10 straight games with double doubles. COUGH? WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE MATH HERE?
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Post by rafer on Jan 8, 2023 16:06:51 GMT -8
Beavers won both of these games in my opinion. We are on a roll at the right time. I don't think we have the power to jump without another star and hopefully we can get Timea back on court. She has the skill to do two important things. She will first lighten Beers load. She is carrying a lot for this team. With Timea that changes. They are out of the same cookie mold. If one gets cold or fouls the other is their. Plus all the other player supports. We will win going away soon when Timea gets in her groove Timea will help a lot, but the guards had 15 of our 20 turn-overs and I don’t see how that’s going to change much when we face the more athletic teams. Noelle is great for her size and plays smart, but her height and short arms make her easier to trap and force into bad passes. I’m looking forward to the addition of two more athletic, taller guards next year. Finally got to watch it. Nice win, but oh my gawd, so frighin sloppy. Way too many unforced errors, lack of patience and mental lapses, not looking for the ball, many times. Have to clean that stuff up. Oh, and TVO is not in a groove, hope that changes soon, struggling now. |
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Post by standerd on Jan 8, 2023 16:11:55 GMT -8
Regarding all this talk about TVO. You do realize that TVO had another relatively solid game with another double-double (10 rebounds, 10 points), 3 assists, 2 steals, and yes 5 TOs. I agree that TVO needs to get the turnovers down, but she always plays hard and gives it her best. Lighten up everyone.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 8, 2023 16:22:13 GMT -8
She’s horrible breaking the press. She forces bad passes, isn’t paying attention half the time, and passes to teammates in bad situations. It’s frustrating for a player with her IQ.
We get that you don't like TVO at all.
Stating that she does not break a press well ≠me not liking her. She's elevated her game quite a bit from last season. I think her defense has been really impressive and she's statistically made jumps in rebounds, steals, and blocks to support that. It's pretty obvious she's been our best guard all year and she's got a really impressive skillset and very high IQ. Her play can be frustrating at times for fans like myself who know Talia needs to be at her best for OSU to be competitive in the PAC-12 and believe she isn't playing to the highest of her capabilities. So no -- I don't think any OSU fan would like to see Talia end up in the portal. |
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Post by sewingbeaver on Jan 8, 2023 16:38:28 GMT -8
Glad for the win - even Scott called it ugly in his post game with Ron.
Turnovers - wow what is the deal and why can this not be corrected? I usually feel that a bulk of them are from the team forcing plays/passes when they are running the called play by coach. Today - just a bunch a sloppiness.
Breaking the press - WTF. Why can this team not figure it out? EVERY team in this conference knows the ticket to getting Beavers mucked up - press and press some more. It's comical. I watched a little of the UW/WSU game and neither team pressed each other (for the bit I watched). I wonder what they'll do next weekend with us.
AJ- so glad to see some confidence return. If you listed to the interview with Ron, she says something that is pivotal. ....I needed to get my defensive effort up and better, when that happens, the offense comes...
So glad that the whole bench got to play today. They needed that too.
GO BEAVS!
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Post by finleybandbeav on Jan 8, 2023 16:59:36 GMT -8
TVO just happens to be in a bit of a funk (like most players experience), which will not last. She is not a good player - she is an excellent player who is definitely not a point guard - she has as much as said so in interviews, saying that she prefers to to play guard off the ball. So feed her the ball on the perimeter, let her crash the paint with her strength - it's all good.
Don't look at a couple of games - look at the body of work. Some people have all-too-short memories.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 8, 2023 17:02:04 GMT -8
Another stat that is not right for pac 12 play is the notion that beers rebound statistics are only eight rebounds a game. Pac 12 announcers are good at saying that she is fifth or sixth in rebounding in the league. They also say that Beers has had 10 straight games with double doubles. COUGH? WHO IS IN CHARGE OF THE MATH HERE? Through 16 games, Raegan is averaging 23.8 minutes per game (Mitrovic 23.9). She is 59.7 on fg% and up to 68.0 on ft%. She is averaging 15.5 points per game and 8.9 rebounds per game. Since she's had 10 double doubles, and 5 in a row, I'm sure the rebound number is lowered by the first several games when she was just getting used to D1 ball and getting fewer minutes. Oh, and fouls per game? 2.0. (Taylor arrived on campus as a freshman with 2.) So if she were called upon to play more minutes in the game plan, foul trouble would not be a consideration. |
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