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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 31, 2022 10:11:46 GMT -8
Imo it boils down to the fact that we are in the lower half of the conference in terms of talent. If we are going to return to the top half of the conference, we need to recruit better HS players and transfers. TVO, Beers and hopefully Gardiner are quality players, the rest of the roster would struggle to get significant minutes for the better teams in the conference. Unfortunately, the incoming freshmen class for next year is not highly ranked. The question is, can SR and his staff recruit and retain enough elite players to get us back competing near the top of the conference? Gardiner is missing in action and I don't see ANY sign (other than hopefull posters) that she will play, will she portal out? (was she on the bench, couldn't tell?). Kimi Suli!! This is a bad, young team and may go 4 or 5 wins IF they improve, or 0fer the PAC this year!!! Who is bad enough that we can compete with them right now? Don't see it happening, disorganized, no control, out of position, limited skills, no PG, dreadfully slow.. other than that it's all good I guess.. Beers is a baller, Mit is tall, TVO is good, sometimes, if pressured, not so much! (I'd press her all over the court) The other freshmen, in limited playing time, and portal ladies are at best serviceable. But, how do you throw in the towel at this point, play the rookies extensively and sacrifice the rest of the season, tough sledding ahead and likely team turmoil. SR will be on the hot seat soon, if not now,, Hope to hell I'm WRONG!!! That game was hard to watch. Looked like Saturday morning rat ball.. It was already stated Timea said she’ll be back for Washington State. |
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escott58
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Post by escott58 on Dec 31, 2022 10:23:46 GMT -8
24 turnovers and extremely poor shooting. But - I don't know how - we were in the game to the end! Maybe I'm crazy, but I think we're on the verge of turning the corner. This isn't the time for the women to give up but to grow up through these difficult growing pains.
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Post by sparty on Dec 31, 2022 10:45:28 GMT -8
As good as Talia is, she looked really disinterested at times yesterday. Maybe it was because she didn't like sitting on the bench so long, but there we're a few times a player was getting double teamed on the press and she showed no interest in helping out. I'm really not sure how many players on this team would have gotten minutes on OSU teams with the exception of the 21-22 and 22-23 teams. Probably not many besides Talia and Raegan. Our inability to recruit guards has really come back to bite us. Southern Cal clearly had more talent and was more athletic, but the Beavs could have overcome that with better ball security and (at times) better effort. Do you think that there is any chance of players portaling out after this season not wanting to miss out on another tournament run. Specific question to you Beaverwbb or Lotrader, based on your disinterested comments of players and Lotraders astute observations . Is TVO in it to win it? |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 31, 2022 11:32:23 GMT -8
As good as Talia is, she looked really disinterested at times yesterday. Maybe it was because she didn't like sitting on the bench so long, but there we're a few times a player was getting double teamed on the press and she showed no interest in helping out. I'm really not sure how many players on this team would have gotten minutes on OSU teams with the exception of the 21-22 and 22-23 teams. Probably not many besides Talia and Raegan. Our inability to recruit guards has really come back to bite us. Southern Cal clearly had more talent and was more athletic, but the Beavs could have overcome that with better ball security and (at times) better effort. The team has recruited guards just fine. It's the inability to keep guards that's the problem. OSU's defense was actually working better than USC's, which is what kept them in the game. You take away those six open layups from terrible TO's and the Beav's actually outshot them. Lex has averaged 16 points through the past two games and no love for her? |
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Post by grayman on Dec 31, 2022 12:35:09 GMT -8
As good as Talia is, she looked really disinterested at times yesterday. Maybe it was because she didn't like sitting on the bench so long, but there we're a few times a player was getting double teamed on the press and she showed no interest in helping out. I'm really not sure how many players on this team would have gotten minutes on OSU teams with the exception of the 21-22 and 22-23 teams. Probably not many besides Talia and Raegan. Our inability to recruit guards has really come back to bite us. Southern Cal clearly had more talent and was more athletic, but the Beavs could have overcome that with better ball security and (at times) better effort. The team has recruited guards just fine. It's the inability to keep guards that's the problem. OSU's defense was actually working better than USC's, which is what kept them in the game. You take away those six open layups from terrible TO's and the Beav's actually outshot them. Lex has averaged 16 points through the past two games and no love for her? I would think beaverwbbfan meant point guards specifically. Rueck has been able to retain plenty of 2 guards, so losing a few hasn't mattered all that much. Destiny Slocum was really the only true point guard to leave, but also really the only one that SR was able to land with the exception of maybe Aleah Goodman, who I don't think was really considered a point but turned out to be a pretty decent one. The others in the past have all been definite 2s that were placed at the point. USC's defense was pretty good. I'm not saying the Beavers weren't playing decent D as well, but not sure that it was better than USC's. Agree on Aaron. She has been playing really well. TVO did stand around a lot. Maybe she wasn't happy with sitting on the bench so much, but she wasn't playing well. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Dec 31, 2022 12:44:43 GMT -8
As good as Talia is, she looked really disinterested at times yesterday. Maybe it was because she didn't like sitting on the bench so long, but there we're a few times a player was getting double teamed on the press and she showed no interest in helping out. I'm really not sure how many players on this team would have gotten minutes on OSU teams with the exception of the 21-22 and 22-23 teams. Probably not many besides Talia and Raegan. Our inability to recruit guards has really come back to bite us. Southern Cal clearly had more talent and was more athletic, but the Beavs could have overcome that with better ball security and (at times) better effort. The team has recruited guards just fine. It's the inability to keep guards that's the problem. OSU's defense was actually working better than USC's, which is what kept them in the game. You take away those six open layups from terrible TO's and the Beav's actually outshot them. Lex has averaged 16 points through the past two games and no love for her? I think it’s been a combination of recruiting, development, and evaluation when it’s come to recruting guards. Since 2018 recruiting class, we’ve had two guards that were really good IMO — Goforth and von Oelhoffen — and one of them transferred out and had health issues. 2018 - Simmons was a bit of a disappointment. 2019 - Missed on all guard recruits. 2020 - Landed Goforth, who was a big target, but missed on too many good ones. 2021 - Landed von Oelhoffen and Kampschroeder, who were both big targets, but Kampschroeder has been just okay in her first two years. Marotte hasn’t been great against quality competition. 2022 - Didn’t land any top-100 guards, jury is still out on them, though Pietsch looks solid. Contrast that with the 5-6 years before it and the difference in quality of guard play is pretty obvious. Lex has been really good these past two games - she’s defended well, brough energy, and hit shots, which is what we needed from her. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 31, 2022 13:13:43 GMT -8
The team has recruited guards just fine. It's the inability to keep guards that's the problem. OSU's defense was actually working better than USC's, which is what kept them in the game. You take away those six open layups from terrible TO's and the Beav's actually outshot them. Lex has averaged 16 points through the past two games and no love for her? I think it’s been a combination of recruiting, development, and evaluation when it’s come to recruting guards. Since 2018 recruiting class, we’ve had two guards that were really good IMO — Goforth and von Oelhoffen — and one of them transferred out and had health issues. 2018 - Simmons was a bit of a disappointment. 2019 - Missed on all guard recruits. 2020 - Landed Goforth, who was a big target, but missed on too many good ones. 2021 - Landed von Oelhoffen and Kampschroeder, who were both big targets, but Kampschroeder has been just okay in her first two years. Marotte hasn’t been great against quality competition. 2022 - Didn’t land any top-100 guards, jury is still out on them, though Pietsch looks solid. Contrast that with the 5-6 years before it and the difference in quality of guard play is pretty obvious. Lex has been really good these past two games - she’s defended well, brough energy, and hit shots, which is what we needed from her. I guess you're lumping all guards together...OK... In 17-18 and 18-19 OSU had Pivec, Goodman, Slocum, Katie McWilliams, Kat Tudor with Kalmer in 17-18 and Simmons in 18-19 In 19-20 they had Pivec, Goodman, Slocum, Tudor, Mannen and Simmons In 20-21 they had Goodman, TVO, Goforth, Samuel, Mannen and Simmons In 21-22 they had TVO, Tea Adams, Emily Codding, Kampschroeder, Marotte, Mannen You're right that a couple did not pan out or transferred but that has only been an issue in the last few years as it has been for pretty much every other team when it comes to the portal. But the numbers and quality are there. The bigger (much bigger, IMO) issue is the inability to recruit good point guards and retain the lone top one they did get in Slocum. |
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Post by lotrader on Dec 31, 2022 15:30:26 GMT -8
24 turnovers and extremely poor shooting. But - I don't know how - we were in the game to the end! Maybe I'm crazy, but I think we're on the verge of turning the corner. This isn't the time for the women to give up but to grow up through these difficult growing pains. I just watched the PAC-12 replay of the game. I have to say that I agree with escott58, that we may be able to turn the corner. Let's hope we come out with a fire vs UCLA. What stood out the most in the replay is again, players don't know each other's tendencies and not yet connected with each other. The other thing that stood out is TvO is trying too hard to carry the team, and she is making some really poor decisions. Mannen and Martha are actually pretty darn good defenders and play well together. The couple of times they trapped the USC player, they created havoc. And Marshall for USC is a freak athlete. Her play was the difference. OSU missed so many open shots as well. I'm more encouraged after watching the replay. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 31, 2022 19:51:00 GMT -8
24 turnovers and extremely poor shooting. But - I don't know how - we were in the game to the end! Maybe I'm crazy, but I think we're on the verge of turning the corner. This isn't the time for the women to give up but to grow up through these difficult growing pains. I just watched the PAC-12 replay of the game. I have to say that I agree with escott58, that we may be able to turn the corner. Let's hope we come out with a fire vs UCLA. What stood out the most in the replay is again, players don't know each other's tendencies and not yet connected with each other. The other thing that stood out is TvO is trying too hard to carry the team, and she is making some really poor decisions. Mannen and Martha are actually pretty darn good defenders and play well together. The couple of times they trapped the USC player, they created havoc. And Marshall for USC is a freak athlete. Her play was the difference. OSU missed so many open shots as well. I'm more encouraged after watching the replay. You shouldn’t be encouraged. This is a 6th to 8th team in the league at best. |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 31, 2022 21:20:57 GMT -8
I just watched the PAC-12 replay of the game. I have to say that I agree with escott58 , that we may be able to turn the corner. Let's hope we come out with a fire vs UCLA. What stood out the most in the replay is again, players don't know each other's tendencies and not yet connected with each other. The other thing that stood out is TvO is trying too hard to carry the team, and she is making some really poor decisions. Mannen and Martha are actually pretty darn good defenders and play well together. The couple of times they trapped the USC player, they created havoc. And Marshall for USC is a freak athlete. Her play was the difference. OSU missed so many open shots as well. I'm more encouraged after watching the replay. You shouldn’t be encouraged. This is a 6th to 8th team in the league at best. Without Timea, probably. With Timea, all bets off. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 31, 2022 21:24:42 GMT -8
Timea isn't going to lead us to the promised land, just respectability and the occasional win over good opponents.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 31, 2022 21:38:19 GMT -8
Timea isn't going to lead us to the promised land, just respectability and the occasional win over good opponents. I didn't say she was going to lead us to the championship game. Take a look at what Beers is doing, and all of the rating agencies thought Timea is better. Take out Martha's o-fer in the last game and put in another Beers type game and you don't think the game turns out differently? It just won't be the same team. No, no championships with out working out the kinks, but a team that might give even the best teams a fight. Unlike now (sigh) |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 31, 2022 21:53:13 GMT -8
You shouldn’t be encouraged. This is a 6th to 8th team in the league at best. Without Timea, probably. With Timea, all bets off. Timea is not a guard. That is their problem, so I’ll maintain my bet. |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 31, 2022 22:33:13 GMT -8
Without Timea, probably. With Timea, all bets off. Timea is not a guard. That is their problem, so I’ll maintain my bet. I disagree (who'da guessed?), their problem is they have a guard (Lex) playing the 4. With Timea playing they will have a 4 playing the 4 position. Lex can play the 3 and it's a very different team (I'm hoping). You do you, and I'll do me. I'm hoping I'm right and you are wrong. |
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osu82
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Post by osu82 on Jan 1, 2023 0:53:34 GMT -8
Gardiner isn’t MJ coming off injured reserve. She hasn’t played 1 minute of D-1 ball yet, nor played organized basketball ball in probably, what, 6 months? Has she even scrimmaged with this team in the last 2 months? My expectations of her when/if she starts playing are pretty modest. Everything helps though, getting some depth at the 4 is a step forward.
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