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Post by nuclearbeaver on Sept 13, 2022 6:46:10 GMT -8
Smith has made zero indication of wanting to leave. He’s making 3.3 million this year without bonuses. In 4 years that will be 4.5 million. His contract is designed to reward him for building the program and ignoring outside offers. He gets a 1 year extension for every 7+ win for 2022, 2023 and 2024. His buyout is 3.5 million and drops 500k each year tell 2027.
He also gets performance bonuses of:
50k for any bowl game
75k for P12 championship
100k for making the P12 championship game
Win totals 8(50k), 9(75k), 10 (100k)
25k for conference CotY
I00k for National CotY
200-400k for cfp participation based on results.
All that for staying in a town that loves him with a fan base that is 99% behind him and raising his kids in one of the best school districts in the PNW. He has also never shown any indication of going back to California with his previous coaching stops despite being a rising star that surely could have gotten a position down south if he wanted it.
Lincoln would have to offer him a Saban deal with a lifetime supply of Monsanto and it still wouldn’t be that interesting an offer.
Not to mention that if he continues on his trajectory his 2027-2030 contract will be massive.
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 13, 2022 6:50:44 GMT -8
And nationally I am not sure JS has established enough "success" to give him the cred to be hired by the delusional Nebbie AD and fans. They want a coach who is "hot" and is all the rage. They can go find that as that usually doesn't pan out. Ask Hawkins about that after he left Boise State. Or ask Big Boy Pants about it after he left Wiscy. Not that you'd likely get a very coherent answer. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 13, 2022 7:21:41 GMT -8
He keeps winning he will pop up on more and more lists |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Sept 13, 2022 10:35:05 GMT -8
Smith has made zero indication of wanting to leave. He’s making 3.3 million this year without bonuses. In 4 years that will be 4.5 million. His contract is designed to reward him for building the program and ignoring outside offers. He gets a 1 year extension for every 7+ win for 2022, 2023 and 2024. His buyout is 3.5 million and drops 500k each year tell 2027. He also gets performance bonuses of: 50k for any bowl game 75k for P12 championship 100k for making the P12 championship game Win totals 8(50k), 9(75k), 10 (100k) 25k for conference CotY I00k for National CotY 200-400k for cfp participation based on results. All that for staying in a town that loves him with a fan base that is 99% behind him and raising his kids in one of the best school districts in the PNW. He has also never shown any indication of going back to California with his previous coaching stops despite being a rising star that surely could have gotten a position down south if he wanted it. Lincoln would have to offer him a Saban deal with a lifetime supply of Monsanto and it still wouldn’t be that interesting an offer. Not to mention that if he continues on his trajectory his 2027-2030 contract will be massive. The revenue disparity between Nebraska and Oregon State in the next five years is going to be massive. If Nebraska wants him they will have the wallet to get him. I think with Smith’s win loss record and the many non-classic in game decisions he makes he would almost be an impossible sell to the NU boosters at this point. No way to evaluate the intangibles that are important to his family, but the b1g and sec will be so far ahead of the pac, big12 and ACC in revenue in the next 5 years that they will be able to hire away virtually any coach. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Sept 13, 2022 10:51:41 GMT -8
Smith has made zero indication of wanting to leave. He’s making 3.3 million this year without bonuses. In 4 years that will be 4.5 million. His contract is designed to reward him for building the program and ignoring outside offers. He gets a 1 year extension for every 7+ win for 2022, 2023 and 2024. His buyout is 3.5 million and drops 500k each year tell 2027. He also gets performance bonuses of: 50k for any bowl game 75k for P12 championship 100k for making the P12 championship game Win totals 8(50k), 9(75k), 10 (100k) 25k for conference CotY I00k for National CotY 200-400k for cfp participation based on results. All that for staying in a town that loves him with a fan base that is 99% behind him and raising his kids in one of the best school districts in the PNW. He has also never shown any indication of going back to California with his previous coaching stops despite being a rising star that surely could have gotten a position down south if he wanted it. Lincoln would have to offer him a Saban deal with a lifetime supply of Monsanto and it still wouldn’t be that interesting an offer. Not to mention that if he continues on his trajectory his 2027-2030 contract will be massive. The revenue disparity between Nebraska and Oregon State in the next five years is going to be massive. If Nebraska wants him they will have the wallet to get him. I think with Smith’s win loss record and the many non-classic in game decisions he makes he would almost be an impossible sell to the NU boosters at this point. No way to evaluate the intangibles that are important to his family, but the b1g and sec will be so far ahead of the pac, big12 and ACC in revenue in the next 5 years that they will be able to hire away virtually any coach. This. Glad he is an OSU alum and was a walk on at OSU, playing as the starting QB for one of the most epic seasons in OSU history. That, along with his family/ kids putting down roots in Corvallis, are all good things for him staying here. Heck, the weather alone has to count for something - people moving here sure think so.
At some point, the additional money becomes moot. A good friend of mine, who is very successful, likes to say the money is nice, but you can only eat so much. It has been said everyone/ everything is for sale - as I get older, I don't necessarily believe that. Yes, many people are, but having a good life at a school like OSU, and not being in a pressure cooker, starts to look very attractive as we get older. Unless you thrive on the pressure, and are an egomaniac. Lol |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 13, 2022 11:06:24 GMT -8
Nebraska will probably be making a push for Urban Meyer anyways. Not so sure he isn't interested, apparently he was talking about how great the program was on a broadcast this weekend.
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Post by sparty on Sept 13, 2022 11:50:48 GMT -8
Smith has made zero indication of wanting to leave. He’s making 3.3 million this year without bonuses. In 4 years that will be 4.5 million. His contract is designed to reward him for building the program and ignoring outside offers. He gets a 1 year extension for every 7+ win for 2022, 2023 and 2024. His buyout is 3.5 million and drops 500k each year tell 2027. He also gets performance bonuses of: 50k for any bowl game 75k for P12 championship 100k for making the P12 championship game Win totals 8(50k), 9(75k), 10 (100k) 25k for conference CotY I00k for National CotY 200-400k for cfp participation based on results. All that for staying in a town that loves him with a fan base that is 99% behind him and raising his kids in one of the best school districts in the PNW. He has also never shown any indication of going back to California with his previous coaching stops despite being a rising star that surely could have gotten a position down south if he wanted it. Lincoln would have to offer him a Saban deal with a lifetime supply of Monsanto and it still wouldn’t be that interesting an offer. Not to mention that if he continues on his trajectory his 2027-2030 contract will be massive. If I were betting I would say Coach Smith will be gone before WBB Coach Rueck. |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 13, 2022 12:32:08 GMT -8
Jonathan being hired would almost be an unsaid admission that they blew it with canning Riley. I'd think an AD in that position might be tempted to avoid that even if it was under a previous director. The Nebraska football apparatus is an entire economy in and of itself. It really is quite startling how large of an entity is attributed directly to football operations, the stadium, etc... With so many people/families dependent upon those jobs, the number one priority appears to be keeping the sellout streak going. I think internally the realization settled in a while back, N is not returning to the Osborn level success no matter who the coach is, so the next best thing is to keep dangling a little bit of hope in front of the fans to keep them interested, coming back, and giving their money. The Frost hire did exactly that even though his record as their HC was abysmal compared to Rileys. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Sept 13, 2022 16:23:24 GMT -8
A guy I work with shared the phrase, "Your employer is buying your time from you in return for your work product/services". So... it comes down to where do you want to spend "your time" and who do you want to be working for.
Other programs will have a bigger wallet as this NIL and conference restructuring but I'm hoping CJS will be selective in who he listens to. The "other" component to this is how much you are enjoying the kids you are recruiting. I can see an advantage to coaching kids who are hungry and hardworking... they haven't been given the big NIL money, the 5 stars, and labeled the next first round NFL draft pick. All of that is great but it can go to your head and dare I say even change your attitude or work ethic.
Fun to discuss but I really like how we have structured CJS's contract.
Go BEAVS!
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Post by bvrbred on Sept 13, 2022 17:09:23 GMT -8
If I were betting I would say Coach Smith will be gone before WBB Coach Rueck. Maybe, but I doubt its to a place like Nebraska. I think Jonathan is smart enough to want to go to a place where he thinks he can succeed. Like UW maybe, where he saw it done. If you listened to his speech when he first got hired here it was heavy with examples, and specifics, of how he thought he could win here. |
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Post by sparty on Sept 13, 2022 18:45:55 GMT -8
If I were betting I would say Coach Smith will be gone before WBB Coach Rueck. Maybe, but I doubt its to a place like Nebraska. I think Jonathan is smart enough to want to go to a place where he thinks he can succeed. Like UW maybe, where he saw it done. If you listened to his speech when he first got hired here it was heavy with examples, and specifics, of how he thought he could win here. Would he be content in a non power 5 conference if that should ever happen. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 13, 2022 19:13:52 GMT -8
I think folks here are focusing on the wrong party. It would take a lot, and I mean a ton of great reasons for a Nebraska AD to hire another Head Coach from Oregon St. He would get grilled mercilessly. As great as I and most Beaver fans think he is, there is no reason to take that chance with dozens or even hundreds of other available options. Lucky us!
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Sept 14, 2022 7:54:19 GMT -8
Jonathan being hired would almost be an unsaid admission that they blew it with canning Riley. I'd think an AD in that position might be tempted to avoid that even if it was under a previous director. The Nebraska football apparatus is an entire economy in and of itself. It really is quite startling how large of an entity is attributed directly to football operations, the stadium, etc... With so many people/families dependent upon those jobs, the number one priority appears to be keeping the sellout streak going. I think internally the realization settled in a while back, N is not returning to the Osborn level success no matter who the coach is, so the next best thing is to keep dangling a little bit of hope in front of the fans to keep them interested, coming back, and giving their money. The Frost hire did exactly that even though his record as their HC was abysmal compared to Rileys. You ever been to Lincoln? There is nothing there. It's really all they have |
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Post by ag87 on Sept 14, 2022 9:21:52 GMT -8
The Nebraska football apparatus is an entire economy in and of itself. It really is quite startling how large of an entity is attributed directly to football operations, the stadium, etc... With so many people/families dependent upon those jobs, the number one priority appears to be keeping the sellout streak going. I think internally the realization settled in a while back, N is not returning to the Osborn level success no matter who the coach is, so the next best thing is to keep dangling a little bit of hope in front of the fans to keep them interested, coming back, and giving their money. The Frost hire did exactly that even though his record as their HC was abysmal compared to Rileys. You ever been to Lincoln? There is nothing there. It's really all they have Hey! Omaha is only an hour drive away. Des Moines is only an additional two hours. If you want to go north Sioux Falls is 3.5 hours. When you are feeling super cosmopolitan Denver is seven hours and Kansas City is three hours. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Sept 14, 2022 9:30:58 GMT -8
They also had a strong recruiting pipeline in OK and TX for skill players. A lot of kids were going to Nebraska that were passed on by OU and UT because they wanted to play against them. That pipeline was lost when they moved to the Big 10. This is a great point, as well. When Nebraska played Oklahoma and Texas at least three times a year, the Huskers could pull those Oklahomans and Texans. Without Oklahoma and Texas in the fold, who exactly voluntarily goes to Lincoln to play football? Pelini was using smoke and mirrors to keep the team afloat. There is no chance for a guy like Frost to build a winner there. Pelini, to his credit, knew defense and had the benefit of playing in a far less offensive powerhouse era. And, to his credit being an early spread offense adopter (though one could hardly call their offenses overly prolific) kept things simple, easy to recruit for and could get on with suspect talent as long as they had the one right skill. In otherwords, you didn't need to be a complete package WR, you just had to run two routes and catch like, 75% of the balls that came your way... Like a Kmart Chip Kelly, Pelini did sort of have Nebraska zigging when everyone else was zagging. |
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