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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 8, 2023 17:59:20 GMT -8
Lincecum was also essentially finished as an effective pitcher at 28 years of age. He had 3-4 good seasons in MLB, then had a dead arm and his ERA skyrocketed to the high 4s. Hard not to think his heavy workload at UW and with the Giants didn't contribute somewhat to his early demise. BTW, his wife died of cancer last summer at a young age. I did not know that. Lincecum also had horrible mechanics. It let him throw extremely hard for his size, but it put a tremendous amount of torque on his arm. I was actually surprised he lasted as long as he did. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 8, 2023 19:01:56 GMT -8
Good grief Charlie Brown! Pitch counts are an arbitrary number established by the coaches for each pitcher on the staff. They are guidelines. Some pitchers are gassed at 75 pitches while other guys like Tim Lincecum (UW-SF Giants)are still throwing bullets at 150 pitches. PC's are about fatigue - the legs go, pitchers tire and the ball begins getting up and two things can result (both are bad). - getting shelled and injury. What is important is the relationship between number of pitches thrown and the number of outs recorded (use innings pitched if you prefer). For example, Sellers has thrown 268 pitches to date in 3 starts while recording 34 outs, or 7.88 pitches per out. To put that in perspective, Sellers would need to throw 213 pitches in a complete game - recording 27 outs. That is "pitch heavy" and will require a modified approach for PAC-12 play. Starting pitchers in college ball should be capable of giving the team 5 solid innings and 6 or 7 if everything is falling right. Especially true with your Friday night ace. Trent Sellers is a really good pitcher, we were fortunate to get him. He will make the adjustments he needs to make with his approach to the strike zone. He's a "K" machine - His stuff is filthy. He has struck out 26 batters in 11.1 innings - maybe he's being too careful about staying on the corners? As Henry noted, he needs to throw more strikes. His strike percentage is 58% (that's low). I'll see if I can break his numbers down in a little more detail and put something up. My point isn't the number of pitches...it's that too many pitches are thrown to get a batter out,not eating up many innings causing us to use our pen too much on Friday night. Our Friday night guy needs to go 6+ innings ...not 4. Strike outs mean nothing to me. I would rather get a fly out or ground out after 2-3 pitches versus a strike out after 7-8. |
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Post by speakthetruth on Mar 8, 2023 19:07:30 GMT -8
Aim high. If you aren't aiming for a national championship then you set your goals too low.
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 8, 2023 19:12:15 GMT -8
I want efficient pitchers. Get an out with the least amount of pitches you can. We have been spoiled with the Friday night starters we have had for a long time. Hjerpe is hard to replace.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 8, 2023 19:16:08 GMT -8
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 8, 2023 20:27:20 GMT -8
Good grief Charlie Brown! Pitch counts are an arbitrary number established by the coaches for each pitcher on the staff. They are guidelines. Some pitchers are gassed at 75 pitches while other guys like Tim Lincecum (UW-SF Giants)are still throwing bullets at 150 pitches. PC's are about fatigue - the legs go, pitchers tire and the ball begins getting up and two things can result (both are bad). - getting shelled and injury. What is important is the relationship between number of pitches thrown and the number of outs recorded (use innings pitched if you prefer). For example, Sellers has thrown 268 pitches to date in 3 starts while recording 34 outs, or 7.88 pitches per out. To put that in perspective, Sellers would need to throw 213 pitches in a complete game - recording 27 outs. That is "pitch heavy" and will require a modified approach for PAC-12 play. Starting pitchers in college ball should be capable of giving the team 5 solid innings and 6 or 7 if everything is falling right. Especially true with your Friday night ace. Trent Sellers is a really good pitcher, we were fortunate to get him. He will make the adjustments he needs to make with his approach to the strike zone. He's a "K" machine - His stuff is filthy. He has struck out 26 batters in 11.1 innings - maybe he's being too careful about staying on the corners? As Henry noted, he needs to throw more strikes. His strike percentage is 58% (that's low). I'll see if I can break his numbers down in a little more detail and put something up. So this is a fancy way of saying what the rest of us have been saying all along.....he needs to throw more strikes. |
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Post by chinmusic on Mar 8, 2023 21:49:12 GMT -8
Everyone has a keen eye for the obvious - he needs to throw more strikes!
Some other points:
A) Pitch counts monitor the pitcher's limit of effectiveness (80 pitches, 90 pitches, 65 pitches, etc.). B) A pitch count is also a relationship stat. It can be used statistically to evaluate command of the zone (balls and strikes %). C) Asymmetrical pitch counts from inning to inning (EX: 14-11-10-22-26), D) Average number of pitches to record an out, etc. D) preventing over-use or injury.
Sellers for the most part has respectable pitching metrics for his 3 starts. As stated there are areas of concern, a) not being able to extend his start beyond 3 innings in 2 of those starts. b) a 1.68 WHIP (allowing 15 runners to reach base via BH or BB per 9 innings).
So, too many balls and not enough strikes leading to big counts and pitching behind in the count, too many pitches per out, and too many baserunners via BH and BB per 9 innings.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 9, 2023 8:15:14 GMT -8
Everyone has a keen eye for the obvious - he needs to throw more strikes! Some other points: A) Pitch counts monitor the pitcher's limit of effectiveness (80 pitches, 90 pitches, 65 pitches, etc.). B) A pitch count is also a relationship stat. It can be used statistically to evaluate command of the zone (balls and strikes %). C) Asymmetrical pitch counts from inning to inning (EX: 14-11-10-22-26), D) Average number of pitches to record an out, etc. D) preventing over-use or injury. Sellers for the most part has respectable pitching metrics for his 3 starts. As stated there are areas of concern, a) not being able to extend his start beyond 3 innings in 2 of those starts. b) a 1.68 WHIP (allowing 15 runners to reach base via BH or BB per 9 innings). So, too many balls and not enough strikes leading to big counts and pitching behind in the count, too many pitches per out, and too many baserunners via BH and BB per 9 innings. Hey man, we appreciate your insight. But sometimes it feels like you're a teacher talking to first graders. I may not have the depth of baseball knowledge you do, but I'm not an idiot. |
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Post by chinmusic on Mar 9, 2023 9:06:24 GMT -8
There are no idiots on the Beaver boards.
Some are more obsessed than others, some have a longer love affair with the game than others.
Some are new to the game and some have only a casual interest.
Many have played, and some have coached.
If you are sharing information you should attempt to cover all of that.
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Post by vhalum92 on Mar 9, 2023 9:30:20 GMT -8
Back to what we want to see in 2023.
Now that the pre conference games are over, I'm very happy we got to see so many new faces.
I'm very impressed with this group of Freshman and young transfers. I believe we have just reloaded the talent pool and this team is DEEP with legit kids who can play at an elite level.
In seasons past... I wished the younger guys would have gotten more time in non conference games. Seems like this year the coaching staff made it an effort to get guys in the game.
I think guys like Krieg, Talt and Reeder along with the obvious Turley and Kane on the offensive side and Keljo, Hutchenson, Jimenez are the starts of the Beavs in the next 2 years.
So... check mark to the first phase of 2023. Seeing the new guys and getting them experience.
Next up.... top 3 finish in the Pac 11. I think this team is going to have to shine to host a regional but it is a tourney team and this young group has to get some tourney experience so we can make a deeper run next year.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 9, 2023 9:53:59 GMT -8
There are no idiots on the Beaver boards. Some are more obsessed than others, some have a longer love affair with the game than others. Some are new to the game and some have only a casual interest. Many have played, and some have coached. If you are sharing information you should attempt to cover all of that. Are you sure about the first sentence? Go check out angrybeavs.com, or any of the Beaver FB pages. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 9, 2023 11:42:08 GMT -8
Everyone has a keen eye for the obvious - he needs to throw more strikes! Some other points: A) Pitch counts monitor the pitcher's limit of effectiveness (80 pitches, 90 pitches, 65 pitches, etc.). B) A pitch count is also a relationship stat. It can be used statistically to evaluate command of the zone (balls and strikes %). C) Asymmetrical pitch counts from inning to inning (EX: 14-11-10-22-26), D) Average number of pitches to record an out, etc. D) preventing over-use or injury. Sellers for the most part has respectable pitching metrics for his 3 starts. As stated there are areas of concern, a) not being able to extend his start beyond 3 innings in 2 of those starts. b) a 1.68 WHIP (allowing 15 runners to reach base via BH or BB per 9 innings). So, too many balls and not enough strikes leading to big counts and pitching behind in the count, too many pitches per out, and too many baserunners via BH and BB per 9 innings. Hey man, we appreciate your insight. But sometimes it feels like you're a teacher talking to first graders. I may not have the depth of baseball knowledge you do, but I'm not an idiot. Played baseball for four years in high school ...started three. Coached by a guy who was on the 1960's Linfield National title team. Lots of baseball learned in my four years. Some of us are above the rudimentary level of baseball knowledge. |
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Mar 9, 2023 11:45:15 GMT -8
Hey man, we appreciate your insight. But sometimes it feels like you're a teacher talking to first graders. I may not have the depth of baseball knowledge you do, but I'm not an idiot. Played baseball for four years in high school ...started three. Coached by a guy who was on the 1960's Linfield National title team. Lots of baseball learned in my four years. Some of us are above the rudimentary level of baseball knowledge. I played thru legion ball. I've seen Moneyball like 3 times. And I stayed at a Holliday inn express last night. |
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Post by qbeaver on Mar 9, 2023 11:53:55 GMT -8
Played baseball for four years in high school ...started three. Coached by a guy who was on the 1960's Linfield National title team. Lots of baseball learned in my four years. Some of us are above the rudimentary level of baseball knowledge. I played thru legion ball. I've seen Moneyball like 3 times. And I stayed at a Holliday inn express last night. Pretty much all ya need...lol |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Mar 9, 2023 13:26:57 GMT -8
Hey man, we appreciate your insight. But sometimes it feels like you're a teacher talking to first graders. I may not have the depth of baseball knowledge you do, but I'm not an idiot. Played baseball for four years in high school ...started three. Coached by a guy who was on the 1960's Linfield National title team. Lots of baseball learned in my four years. Some of us are above the rudimentary level of baseball knowledge. I read that as "Coached a guy". I was seriously wondering if you were the oldest living beaver fan for a second haha |
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