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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 17:07:03 GMT -8
I googled Phoenix population. It’s probably fron an older year. If the market is so great for Zona and Sparky why aren’t they being clamored over? You are missing the point Wilky. It doesn’t matter how big the market is if the schools grasp of the market is fractional. If everyone in Phoenix cares about ASU they would be one of the biggest fan bases in the country. That’s not the reality. The size of the city does not matter. The amount of people willing to pay to watch is what matters. If the market for those teams was so great they would be getting offers from all the major conferences but the fact is most SEC teams have more fans than ASU. Arizona State has the 24th-largest fan base in the country (23rd in FBS - Gonzaga). Oregon is ninth, and Washington is 19th. USC is 29th, and UCLA is 32nd. Oregon State is 84th (78th in FBS), only ahead of California with its meager fan base and Colorado in the Pac-12. Seven SEC teams have larger fanbases than Arizona State: Florida, Georgia, Texas A&M, Alabama Kentucky (I am guessing that most of this is basketball), LSU, and Tennessee. Texas would be ahead of Arizona State, and Oklahoma would be behind. Arizona State would be a middle-of-the-road team in the SEC by fanbase size. The issue is product, marketing, and perception. Arizona State is currently a dumpster fire in football, basketball, and baseball. The sports media here always asserts that Arizona State fans deserve better than what they are getting. They're probably right. Source?
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 1, 2022 18:18:28 GMT -8
sure usc and ucla will make a lot more money but when there football record is 8-4 or worse will they get invited to the football playoffs - uh no they won't.
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Jul 1, 2022 18:24:46 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 18:24:46 GMT -8
sure usc and ucla will make a lot more money but when there football record is 8-4 or worse will they get invited to the football playoffs - uh no they won't. Doesn't really change anything then. Get paid more for doing the same thing.
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Jul 1, 2022 19:10:04 GMT -8
Sadly the Landscape will be such that it could end up like Utah Utah State or worse. UW will become the rival of Oregon. I see no good end for this.,We shall have to wait. I doubt we can be pro active or even reactive. Really caught the New Commissioner of Pac12 off guard. I wonder how long it takes oregon to get into this? Will uw wait? I remember past AD’d at OSU sayjng oregon will not screwcus. Yeah. mm UW has been the rival of uo for the past 30 years. As the great John McClain once said, “welcome to the party pal” More like the past 122 years ... became especially heated in 1948 due to a deliberate slight from uw in persuading then PCC conference member Montana to vote Cal in to the Rose Bowl over Oregon: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon-Washington_football_rivalry
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Jul 2, 2022 15:01:00 GMT -8
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Post by boilermakerd on Jul 2, 2022 15:01:00 GMT -8
Thanks for all the great replies. I don’t even care about the smacktalk following our matchup.. to me this is such a gut punch for the college football I love, whether Purdue sees short term gains or not.
I just think that it’s borderline comical that Purdue fans seem to mostly think that this is being done to help usher us along with the powerful to become one of the club. I think that the schools that came to the Big 44 or whatever it is now.. along with Ohio state, Michigan and penn state .. can’t wait to cut out schools that they perceive to be bringing less to the table than them.
Do any of you think that the goal is to keep Rutgers along for the ride? I don’t. I think this is short term gains for schools like that and that the Rutgers, Purdues and similar schools who are still along for this ride will be waking up to this day sooner than later.
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Jul 2, 2022 15:06:32 GMT -8
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Post by boilermakerd on Jul 2, 2022 15:06:32 GMT -8
Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desirable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money. The Bay Area is the United States' sixth-largest television market. Phoenix is the 11th-largest television market in the country, a larger television market than Seattle. There are 4,652,000 in Phoenix Metro alone, bigger than the entire State of Oregon. Denver is the 16th-largest television market. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest television market. Portland is 21st. San Diego is 27th. Salt lake City is 30th. Las Vegas is 40th. The SEC added Missouri to get the St. Louis market, and it is only 23rd. There are six markets larger than that in the Pac-12's footprint alone. I keep going back on forth on this, but I would work to move to add at least four teams out of the Big 12 to get to 14 and move forward. True but having graduated from the big ten (senior the same year drew brees went to the rose bowl) and being born and raised there.. then living in the Bay Area, the per capita regard for college football was just much lower. I went with a girlfriend to Michigan state at cal in maybe 08 and the crowd was half MSU if not more. It’s kinda like this. Purdue has billionaires just like Michigan state does. But Michigan state is going to stomp us with NIL because their billionaire is Dan Gilbert and I’ve been told ours don’t care about sports… I’ve been told a million times by Bay Area family and in laws that there’s way too much to do there to be packing living rooms and making road trips for college football.
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Jul 2, 2022 15:09:29 GMT -8
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Post by boilermakerd on Jul 2, 2022 15:09:29 GMT -8
The pac 12 cannot survive by trying to keep what it has. It must expand. Bring in or try to poach Boise St, San Diego St, Oklahoma St, TCU, Kansas and anything else it can get it's hands on and create a 16 or 18 team conference. It may not have the same level of success in football that the SEC and the big 10 will have. But the rest of the sports would be extremely competitive and the TV markets would be able to pay the schools pretty well. The PAC rying to keep 10 teams, or only going back to 12 is just paying to lose. Either expand and own the western half of the country, or it will fold. What’s left plus Oklahoma State, Baylor, TCU, SMU (they are about to make a meteoric rise), Houston and Boise state .. if I was at 16 that’s what I’d do with Boise State Possibly fighting it out with Texas Tech or Cincinnati
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Jul 2, 2022 15:25:55 GMT -8
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Post by elwood on Jul 2, 2022 15:25:55 GMT -8
First thing Oregon State, Oregon and the PAC-12 need to do . . . Stop being politically correct and calling the Civil War the ‘rivalry game’. Pac-12 is just as guilty of breaking up traditions as USC and UCLA. This may seem small and inconsequential but it is just one more thing that dilutes the brand. This is FOOTBALL! It reminds me of George Carlin’s routine comparing Football to Baseball. In football you have “sudden death” . . . I’m Baseball you have “extra innings”.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 2, 2022 15:28:52 GMT -8
I'm hoping the Beavs play at ucla next year. It will probably be the last chance to watch the beavs play in the rose bowl, that sucks. Both the stadium and game.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 2, 2022 17:22:31 GMT -8
We skip UCLA. So we probably have played our final game against them. If that's the case, we KTA in the final meeting, 48-31 at the Rose Bowl.
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Post by jdogge on Jul 2, 2022 17:27:46 GMT -8
First thing Oregon State, Oregon and the PAC-12 need to do . . . Stop being politically correct and calling the Civil War the ‘rivalry game’. Pac-12 is just as guilty of breaking up traditions as USC and UCLA. This may seem small and inconsequential but it is just one more thing that dilutes the brand. This is FOOTBALL! It reminds me of George Carlin’s routine comparing Football to Baseball. In football you have “sudden death” . . . I’m Baseball you have “extra innings”. Yes, because we all know USC and UCLA are leaving due to all the "wokeness" in Oregon.
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Jul 2, 2022 17:33:04 GMT -8
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Post by larbeav on Jul 2, 2022 17:33:04 GMT -8
We skip UCLA. So we probably have played our final game against them. If that's the case, we KTA in the final meeting, 48-31 at the Rose Bowl. UCLA in 2023 is in Corvallis but...?
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Jul 2, 2022 18:20:37 GMT -8
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Post by william44 on Jul 2, 2022 18:20:37 GMT -8
Back in 1959 Idaho left PCC. Not invited back if I recall. Why? Money. Remember some interesting cartoons in the Oregon journal. Seems we have seen things dissolve and come back for a long time. The problem is we are not a hot item. Guess things can go full circle. Will uw be the first to bolt? Each school will take care of thenselves as best they can.
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Jul 2, 2022 18:25:31 GMT -8
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 2, 2022 18:25:31 GMT -8
Back in 1959 Idaho left PCC. Not invited back if I recall. Why? Money. Remember some interesting cartoons in the Oregon journal. Seems we have seen things dissolve and come back for a long time. The problem is we are not a hot item. Guess things can go full circle. Will uw be the first to bolt? Each school will take care of thenselves as best they can. I want so badly for a bottom barrel program from a ‘lower’ conference to catch fire, go undefeated and win the NC. We would be a great candidate and the head scratching would be hilarious
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Jul 2, 2022 18:30:59 GMT -8
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Post by william44 on Jul 2, 2022 18:30:59 GMT -8
In the minds of USC and UCLA and likely Uw and u of o that is how we are viewed. So is wsu like 10 miles from Moscow Idaho. I was pointing out what goes around comes back. We are in a predicament that will get sorted out.
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