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Post by boilermakerd on Jul 1, 2022 8:51:52 GMT -8
I come in peace this time. Sure, I didn’t like the lack of credit you guys gave Purdue when Purdue won, especially since I thought you had a nice team. But today I feel for you. Today is the day I am dreading for Purdue one day.. when the bigger programs will either force us out or more likely leave in the cover of night en masse to join other powers a la USC and UCLA
I go back to watching brees against Washington in the rose bowl and also watching Chad Johnson put his hands up while TJ frisked him in the end zone as sort of a FU to Notre dame fans who had claimed moral superiority that week. I was a huge Oregon state fan that day.. and I ask. What had to change? There wasn’t enough money for everyone while still preserving an environment where the little engines that could like us … actually could?
My question is this? Did you always know this day was coming? Because a lot of Purdue fans are naively celebrating yesterday and talking about their new toys and what other new toys the big ten could bring in.. as though the goal is to bring Purdue along and make us into a power along with the powerful.. I know those of you who make good money probably don’t go looking for people who make minimum wage in hopes that you can subsidize them, so I can’t imagine why Ohio state would want that.
Did you see today coming and as unbiased outsiders do you think that Purdue or IU or Rutgers will be in the plans of those powers who now sit in the big ten?
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Post by nabeav on Jul 1, 2022 10:46:39 GMT -8
I for one was terrified back in 2010 or whenever the last round of realignment happened that the best schools in the Big XII and the Pac-10 were gonna realize they didn't need the OSU's and Iowa State's of the conference anymore. When we got over that hump, I felt pretty good, and that geographically we were "safe." I should've known this day was coming when Boise St. briefly joined the Big East. Still hurts though.
We should be fine.....as long as nobody else leaves. I kind of look at the Big XII, which has lost Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Missouri......they're still somewhat functional and relevant. Pac-12 can at least be that.
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Post by rob85 on Jul 1, 2022 10:57:44 GMT -8
I didn't think is specific day was coming, but I was sure more realignment was on the way when the Texas-Oklahoma announcement was made. I guessed that realignment would mean 4 conferences of 16 teams. I thought the Big-12 was doomed. What the future holds for OSU, no clue but my guess is Mountain West.
Should the smaller money schools in the Big-10 be concerned? I think yes, but not immediately. Depends on how long those schools are valuable as cannon fodder to the big money schools.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 11:45:59 GMT -8
It’s been coming for along time but this wasn’t the expected direction. Most P12 fans probably expected the BIG12 to get eaten up leaving the Big10, SEC, ACC and PAC as a 16 or 20 team league top tier league. With only one real money market left in the PAC it looks way more likely that we get absorbed in chunks.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 1, 2022 11:49:53 GMT -8
It’s been coming for along time but this wasn’t the expected direction. Most P12 fans probably expected the BIG12 to get eaten up leaving the Big10, SEC, ACC and PAC as a 16 or 20 team league top tier league. With only one real money market left in the PAC it looks way more likely that we get absorbed in chunks. Seattle, the Bay Area and Phoenix are still with us. Why are you saying only 1 money market.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 11:55:50 GMT -8
It’s been coming for along time but this wasn’t the expected direction. Most P12 fans probably expected the BIG12 to get eaten up leaving the Big10, SEC, ACC and PAC as a 16 or 20 team league top tier league. With only one real money market left in the PAC it looks way more likely that we get absorbed in chunks. Seattle, the Bay Area and Phoenix are still with us. Why are you saying only 1 money market. Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desireable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Jul 1, 2022 12:05:00 GMT -8
I blame the ducks for all of this. Ever since they started their stupid uniform thing, it's been going downhill.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 1, 2022 12:09:00 GMT -8
Seattle, the Bay Area and Phoenix are still with us. Why are you saying only 1 money market. Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desireable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money. Tuscaloosa only has 100K people. Smaller than Eugene. What’s your point?
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jul 1, 2022 12:14:23 GMT -8
It's always been a concern. It has always been a problem that the Pac 12 doesn't return the value to USC that they bring to the conference. They always remained remarkably loyal, but there was always a suspicion that they might cash in on their position. The money gap just got too great.
It is still a very real possibility that the bluest blue bloods could unite in one 36 or 32 team conference and have their own national championship playoff, leaving all the rest of us relagated to a league below. That would be the way they could truly maximize revenue per school, maybe $150 million per school that way.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 12:18:58 GMT -8
My point is the city size doesn’t matter the fan base does. Washington has a lock on most of Washington. One school for a decent population. Oregon is split roughly 60/40. Small population lots of competition. Bay Area is big but the competition is split a ton of directions. Phoenix is a nice sized city but Arizona as a whole isn’t that populous and it’s split up roughly in half between two colleges and pro sports.
It’s about the programs footprint and how many people pay to watch them. That’s the only factor that matters in the current climate and UW is the only school in conference that is mid-high tier in the new system that’s emerging. Tuscaloosa may be small but Alabamas fan base is bigger than the states population. P12 teams are regional except for USC and maybe UO and UW. You aren’t going to find thousands of beaver or coug fans in rural Texas.
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Post by speakthetruth on Jul 1, 2022 12:22:03 GMT -8
Seattle, the Bay Area and Phoenix are still with us. Why are you saying only 1 money market. Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desireable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money. The phoenix metro is over 4.5 million, not sure where 2 million comes from. The whole state of oregon is 4.2 million.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2022 12:27:07 GMT -8
Seattle, the Bay Area and Phoenix are still with us. Why are you saying only 1 money market. Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desirable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money. The Bay Area is the United States' sixth-largest television market. Phoenix is the 11th-largest television market in the country, a larger television market than Seattle. There are 4,652,000 in Phoenix Metro alone, bigger than the entire State of Oregon. Denver is the 16th-largest television market. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest television market. Portland is 21st. San Diego is 27th. Salt lake City is 30th. Las Vegas is 40th. The SEC added Missouri to get the St. Louis market, and it is only 23rd. There are six markets larger than that in the Pac-12's footprint alone. I keep going back on forth on this, but I would work to move to add at least four teams out of the Big 12 to get to 14 and move forward.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 12:33:27 GMT -8
Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desireable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money. The phoenix metro is over 4.5 million, not sure where 2 million comes from. The whole state of oregon is 4.2 million. Phoenix proper is 1.6 million, I rounded up. AZ is less than double Oregons population, it’s not that big of a market and it’s split multiple ways. Also comparing any market to Oregon to show it as big is silly. Arizona schools are big enough to get scalped by the BIG12 but that might be the only interested party. Washington has about the same population but UWs share of the pie is way bigger than either Zona school.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 12:35:42 GMT -8
Seattle is the only one that’s nationally competitive and desirable to major conferences now. Bay Area has too much competition from pros with no dominant college fanbase. Phoenix isn’t even 2 million people and the population drops off very fast outside the city. Compared to the South, Great Lakes and NE the markets are just very dispersed and average to small. The paying P12 fan base just essentially got cut in half and there’s not many gems left if you are only interested in money. The Bay Area is the United States' sixth-largest television market. Phoenix is the 11th-largest television market in the country, a larger television market than Seattle. There are 4,652,000 in Phoenix Metro alone, bigger than the entire State of Oregon. Denver is the 16th-largest television market. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest television market. Portland is 21st. San Diego is 27th. Salt lake City is 30th. Las Vegas is 40th. The SEC added Missouri to get the St. Louis market, and it is only 23rd. There are six markets larger than that in the Pac-12's footprint alone. I keep going back on forth on this, but I would work to move to add at least four teams out of the Big 12 to get to 14 and move forward. TV markets are the past. You guys need to realize it’s about total active fan base. Who is going to subscribe to fubo sports package or espn plus to watch their team. Casual sports fans barely exist anymore.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 1, 2022 12:40:58 GMT -8
The Bay Area is the United States' sixth-largest television market. Phoenix is the 11th-largest television market in the country, a larger television market than Seattle. There are 4,652,000 in Phoenix Metro alone, bigger than the entire State of Oregon. Denver is the 16th-largest television market. Sacramento-Stockton-Modesto is the 20th-largest television market. Portland is 21st. San Diego is 27th. Salt lake City is 30th. Las Vegas is 40th. The SEC added Missouri to get the St. Louis market, and it is only 23rd. There are six markets larger than that in the Pac-12's footprint alone. I keep going back on forth on this, but I would work to move to add at least four teams out of the Big 12 to get to 14 and move forward. TV markets are the past. You guys need to realize it’s about total active fan base. Who is going to subscribe to fubo sports package or espn plus to watch their team. Casual sports fans barely exist anymore. Well, if casual sports fans barely exist then that probably spells the end of my interest in Oregon State University athletics. It's been a lot of fun, but I guess nothing lasts forever. If I have to be an obsessive fan, count me out.
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