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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jun 29, 2022 9:22:31 GMT -8
Not a Beaver, but wonder if have any chance to get this guy to come up NW a bit....went 5 for 10 with a double in 2 games vs Beavs this year while playing CF... I have a feeling after the draft our outfield will be looking for some players instant help. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 29, 2022 13:28:16 GMT -8
Fuchs drove in three on a bases-clearing double to right in the third but was otherwise quiet on a day. Always love statements like this. "Aside from the really good things he did, he sucked." See also: "If you take out the 70 yard touchdown run, he only had 50 yards on the day and averaged less than 4 yards per carry," or First, you don't include the full quote, which completely guts my statement. Greg Fuchs was the first out in a strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play in game one against UCLA. He left two on in the fourth with an infield popup. After Oregon State batted around in the fifth, he left Logan at third with another fly ball. He finally hit a ground ball to short, which ended the ninth with two runners on. He personally wasted six runners in a game that ultimately wound up tied after nine. He led the team in men left on base. Dukart was pulled in the fifth after a walk and a strikeout. Outside of Dukart, Fuchs was the only starter, who did not score a single run. Meckler scored five, Boyd scored four; Melton scored three; Forrester, Logan, and Bazzana each scored two; and Derne even scored a run. Gretler scored two after entering in the fifth. Kasper scored one after coming on in the seventh. Fuchs drove in three on a bases-clearing double to right in the third but was otherwise quiet on a day, where everyone else was loud. Matthew Gretler, who normally would hit no higher than eighth, accounted for more runs and only came on in the fifth. My point was to provide contest to the statistics. Fuchs was part of the strike 'em out, throw 'em out double-play, UCLA's lone double play. 30 outs in the game. Fuchs led Oregon State by helping to account for five outs, 1/6 of the total. He was retired four times, which tied for the most on the team with Garrett Forrester. The difference is that Forrester had an extra at bat, hit two home runs and drove in six, double Fuchs' total. I feel like context is important. In a statistical analysis, it helps you to identify outliers, which would otherwise poison the statistics. But it seems like the zeitgeist right now is to completely ignore context in its entirety, so......... I don't know exactly what specifically you are referencing with your final quote, so I will leave it at that. |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 29, 2022 14:33:24 GMT -8
wilkyisdashiznit - That whole paragraph is about one game. And you're providing only context that supports your argument. You're trying to say that he had a terrible day when he went 2-6 with 3 RBI. Here's my context: You point out he was part of the only double play of the game, yet it's not exactly like it's his fault Bazzana got thrown out. Also, that was at the end of an 8 pitch at bat where he was down 0-2 and saw five subsequent pitches before striking out (swinging I might add). His next at bat, there is a pitching change right before he comes up, and again down 0-2, he hits a 3 run double to cut UCLA's lead to one. Dukart whiffed to strand him at second. His third at bat was a tough one....pitching change again right before his AB and he swings at the first pitch from the new guy. Popped up to 3rd with two on. Fourth at bat he again works a full count before flying out to center to end the inning with a guy on 3rd. Singles in his fifth at bat to lead off the inning, goes 1st to 3rd on a Dernedde single to left, and then is stranded there following two straight strikeouts. He then drew a walk in the 8th inning, again goes to 3rd on a single, stranded there by a Dernedde groudout to the pitcher. He then ended the 9th by grounding out to short. That's not a bad day at the plate. At all. And yet somehow you went into painstaking detail on this one game as the crux of your argument that he "checked out" or whatever. You point to his lack of scoring runs as if that's some sort of mark that he wasn't trying hard, despite going 1st to third twice and being stranded there. Three times he himself was left in scoring position. And yes, I found it funny that you downplay his 3-run double (which came with two outs at a point in the game when we were down 4 and absolutely needed a big hit) as if it didn't really factor into the game and was overshadowed by the outs he made (3 of which came with us leading by 7+ runs). Runners left on base is a terrible individual stat anyways, because it implies that you should drive in every guy on base every time you're up. For instance, I believe in this game Bazzana was considered LOB when he struck out in the first, despite Bazzana getting thrown out on the pitch. There were zero outs when he came up to bat. So basically any time of the game with any number of outs, if you fail to get a hit or walk, you've "left someone on base." I hate the idea that the leadoff hitter walks, the next three guys fly out, and all three of them pick up an LOB while the team stat says one man left on base. Anyways, I just kind of hate that a guy that was here 3 years, earned more playing time in each consecutive year, is derided as "not a team player" once he decides to move on. Seems like he did a lot of good stuff for us.
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Post by ag87 on Jun 29, 2022 21:01:40 GMT -8
Plus I don't believe he was getting any scholarship money. Speaking only for myself, he did a hell of a lot more for Oregon State athletics than my puny donations have ever done.
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Post by tamatrix on Jun 30, 2022 8:51:47 GMT -8
Today is last day to get into Transfer Portal if want to play next year.....interesting if anyone else jumps in from Beavs.
Just saw Alex Williams from Stanford enter...but he's draft eligible as well
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 30, 2022 9:20:04 GMT -8
I'll bet Alex Williams has his Stanford degree, in management science & engineering, according to his Stanford bio. Good thing to have before you declare free agency.
From what I have heard, Stanford baseball won't pay scholarship money in your fifth year. By then they want you to move along.
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Post by hawksea on Jul 1, 2022 11:20:04 GMT -8
Fuchs had seven RBI in the Pac-12 tournament. Could have had 14 if he was really trying, I guess. April 15th was the midpoint of the season. At that time, Fuchs was hitting .277/.413/.338 OPS: .751 Afterwards, Fuchs hit: .188/.348/.246 OPS: .594 At the Pac-12 Tournament, Fuchs hit .190/.240/.238 OPS: .478 Fuchs had the worst batting average of the nine starters against Washington. Fuchs had a silver sombrero against California. He did drive in Garrett Forrester on a long fly ball, though to put Oregon State up 1-0. Greg Fuchs was the first out in a strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play in game one against UCLA. He left two on in the fourth with an infield popup. After Oregon State batted around in the fifth, he left Logan at third with another fly ball. He finally hit a ground ball to short, which ended the ninth with two runners on. He personally wasted six runners in a game that ultimately wound up tied after nine. He led the team in men left on base. Dukart was pulled in the fifth after a walk and a strikeout. Outside of Dukart, Fuchs was the only starter, who did not score a single run. Meckler scored five, Boyd scored four; Melton scored three; Forrester, Logan, and Bazzana each scored two; and Derne even scored a run. Gretler scored two after entering in the fifth. Kasper scored one after coming on in the seventh. Fuchs drove in three on a bases-clearing double to right in the third but was otherwise quiet on a day, where everyone else was loud. Fuchs had an RBI base hit to right to score Forrester in game two against UCLA. He scored on a Dukart sac fly. Oregon State hit around. He then drove in Bazzana in the second with a sac fly of his own. Fuchs struck out, flew out, and hit an infield popup to end his day. I am still a fan of his reaction to Bazzana coming home with Fuchs in the on-deck circle, though, to end the game. Fuchs had a ground ball RBI in the fourth with two runners in scoring position. He struck out in the fifth with the bases juiced. His four men left, three in scoring position, led the team. You are being glib, but Fuchs left 10, 6 in scoring position in game one against UCLA and the Championship Game against Stanford alone. And that is really more like 7 in scoring position with Bazzana running in game one against UCLA. I am going to stick to my guns here. Batting average means nothing, and you lost a ton of credibility with that. The fact that he was able to work pitchers and draw walks was very helpful for the team. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 11:49:30 GMT -8
We should get credibility scoring on here. Then we can really get the flame wars and s%#t posts fired up!
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Jul 1, 2022 11:59:09 GMT -8
Fuchs struck out more times looking on 3rd strikes then probably the whole team combined and from the DH spot no less for crying out loud. His nickname in our house was 0-2 Fuchs. The only time he would get a hit is IF and that is a big if he swang at the first pitch.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2022 12:08:43 GMT -8
April 15th was the midpoint of the season. At that time, Fuchs was hitting .277/.413/.338 OPS: .751 Afterwards, Fuchs hit: .188/.348/.246 OPS: .594 At the Pac-12 Tournament, Fuchs hit .190/.240/.238 OPS: .478 Fuchs had the worst batting average of the nine starters against Washington. Fuchs had a silver sombrero against California. He did drive in Garrett Forrester on a long fly ball, though to put Oregon State up 1-0. Greg Fuchs was the first out in a strike 'em out, throw 'em out double play in game one against UCLA. He left two on in the fourth with an infield popup. After Oregon State batted around in the fifth, he left Logan at third with another fly ball. He finally hit a ground ball to short, which ended the ninth with two runners on. He personally wasted six runners in a game that ultimately wound up tied after nine. He led the team in men left on base. Dukart was pulled in the fifth after a walk and a strikeout. Outside of Dukart, Fuchs was the only starter, who did not score a single run. Meckler scored five, Boyd scored four; Melton scored three; Forrester, Logan, and Bazzana each scored two; and Derne even scored a run. Gretler scored two after entering in the fifth. Kasper scored one after coming on in the seventh. Fuchs drove in three on a bases-clearing double to right in the third but was otherwise quiet on a day, where everyone else was loud. Fuchs had an RBI base hit to right to score Forrester in game two against UCLA. He scored on a Dukart sac fly. Oregon State hit around. He then drove in Bazzana in the second with a sac fly of his own. Fuchs struck out, flew out, and hit an infield popup to end his day. I am still a fan of his reaction to Bazzana coming home with Fuchs in the on-deck circle, though, to end the game. Fuchs had a ground ball RBI in the fourth with two runners in scoring position. He struck out in the fifth with the bases juiced. His four men left, three in scoring position, led the team. You are being glib, but Fuchs left 10, 6 in scoring position in game one against UCLA and the Championship Game against Stanford alone. And that is really more like 7 in scoring position with Bazzana running in game one against UCLA. I am going to stick to my guns here. Batting average means nothing, and you lost a ton of credibility with that. The fact that he was able to work pitchers and draw walks was very helpful for the team. I included his full slash line, and his OPS. Batting average is the first of the three slash line numbers. Of players with at least 100 at bats, Fuchs led the team in K/AB. |
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Post by hawksea on Jul 1, 2022 13:01:15 GMT -8
Batting average means nothing, and you lost a ton of credibility with that. The fact that he was able to work pitchers and draw walks was very helpful for the team. I included his full slash line, and his OPS. Batting average is the first of the three slash line numbers. Of players with at least 100 at bats, Fuchs led the team in K/AB. Which is why you should stick to posting stats and facts and not your commentary. You did post all three, but with your bashing on him, you pointed out the batting average, but you completely ignored the .379 OBP and reasonable .670 OPS that he had. I would certainly rather have him at the plate than someone like Logan, Dukart, Dernedde, or Gretler, who all had worse seasons at the plate than Fuchs. Dernedde was by far the worst regular on the team this year, and really shouldn't have been playing in the postseason at all. I like Dernedde, but he really was a terrible player this year. Fuchs certainly wasn't one of our best players this year, but also wasn't even close to being our worst. Very serviceable and someone who deserved playing time, especially at DH. Edit: Also, K/AB means nothing. I would rather have a 5-6 pitch strikeout than a 1-2 pitch groundout. A strikeout is the exact same result as a flyout/groundout, but can typically have more pitches thrown. So sure, he had the highest K/AB, but he also had the 2nd highest BB/AB. He saw a lot of pitches and helped wear pitchers down. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2022 13:36:02 GMT -8
I included his full slash line, and his OPS. Batting average is the first of the three slash line numbers. Of players with at least 100 at bats, Fuchs led the team in K/AB. Which is why you should stick to posting stats and facts and not your commentary. You did post all three, but with your bashing on him, you pointed out the batting average, but you completely ignored the .379 OBP and reasonable .670 OPS that he had. I would certainly rather have him at the plate than someone like Logan, Dukart, Dernedde, or Gretler, who all had worse seasons at the plate than Fuchs. Dernedde was by far the worst regular on the team this year, and really shouldn't have been playing in the postseason at all. I like Dernedde, but he really was a terrible player this year. Fuchs certainly wasn't one of our best players this year, but also wasn't even close to being our worst. Very serviceable and someone who deserved playing time, especially at DH. Edit: Also, K/AB means nothing. I would rather have a 5-6 pitch strikeout than a 1-2 pitch groundout. A strikeout is the exact same result as a flyout/groundout, but can typically have more pitches thrown. So sure, he had the highest K/AB, but he also had the 2nd highest BB/AB. He saw a lot of pitches and helped wear pitchers down. I mean, the more pitches the better. A strikeout, though, tends to be worth less than a flyout with runners in scoring position. And, as long as it is not a double-play ball, a groundball also tends to be worth more. Dukart and Logan were both better at the plate than Fuchs. They both hit more often, and I really appreciated the hustle out of both of them. F#*k man, Logan always seemed like he would run through a wall, if it only slightly improved Oregon State's chances of winning. I do not question that either really wanted the team to win, especially Logan. Putting Logan in the same category as Fuchs in anything whatsoever is a slam on Logan, and I will not countenance it. Logan always seemed like he gave 110% at everything. Derne v. Fuchs Let's look at April 15th, the midpoint of the season: After April 15th: Derne hit: .217/.323/.265 OPS: .588 Fuchs hit: .188/.348/.246 OPS: .594 I was told that Fuchs' work at the Pac-12 Tournament was proof positive that I was wrong about Fuchs, so: At the Pac-12 Tournament: Derne hit .211/.285/.263 OPS: .548 Fuchs hit .190/.240/.238 OPS: .478 Also, bonus stats! In the Corvallis Regional Championship Game against Vanderbilt: Derne scored Dukart on a two-out base hit up the middle to tie the game at two. Derne then hit a two-out base hit to center to score two to put Oregon State up 6-3. Half of the runs in the first six innings were on Derne RBIs. More bonus stats! Dernedde finished the season reaching in each of his final 13 games. The last time that he was kept off of the bases was the Friday (game two) loss to UCLA in the final regular season series. No man, in the second half of the season, I would want almost anyone but Fuchs up, Derne included. Fuchs was terrible. It seemed to me like he checked out. His stats would certainly support my hypothesis. But you can disagree. Free country and all. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 1, 2022 13:58:18 GMT -8
Which is why you should stick to posting stats and facts and not your commentary. You did post all three, but with your bashing on him, you pointed out the batting average, but you completely ignored the .379 OBP and reasonable .670 OPS that he had. I would certainly rather have him at the plate than someone like Logan, Dukart, Dernedde, or Gretler, who all had worse seasons at the plate than Fuchs. Dernedde was by far the worst regular on the team this year, and really shouldn't have been playing in the postseason at all. I like Dernedde, but he really was a terrible player this year. Fuchs certainly wasn't one of our best players this year, but also wasn't even close to being our worst. Very serviceable and someone who deserved playing time, especially at DH. Edit: Also, K/AB means nothing. I would rather have a 5-6 pitch strikeout than a 1-2 pitch groundout. A strikeout is the exact same result as a flyout/groundout, but can typically have more pitches thrown. So sure, he had the highest K/AB, but he also had the 2nd highest BB/AB. He saw a lot of pitches and helped wear pitchers down. I mean, the more pitches the better. A strikeout, though, tends to be worth less than a flyout with runners in scoring position. And, as long as it is not a double-play ball, a groundball also tends to be worth more. Dukart and Logan were both better at the plate than Fuchs. They both hit more often, and I really appreciated the hustle out of both of them. F#*k man, Logan always seemed like he would run through a wall, if it only slightly improved Oregon State's chances of winning. I do not question that either really wanted the team to win, especially Logan. Putting Logan in the same category as Fuchs in anything whatsoever is a slam on Logan, and I will not countenance it. Logan always seemed like he gave 110% at everything. Derne v. Fuchs Let's look at April 15th, the midpoint of the season: After April 15th: Derne hit: .217/.323/.265 OPS: .588 Fuchs hit: .188/.348/.246 OPS: .594 I was told that Fuchs' work at the Pac-12 Tournament was proof positive that I was wrong about Fuchs, so: At the Pac-12 Tournament: Derne hit .211/.285/.263 OPS: .548 Fuchs hit .190/.240/.238 OPS: .478 Also, bonus stats! In the Corvallis Regional Championship Game against Vanderbilt: Derne scored Dukart on a two-out base hit up the middle to tie the game at two. Derne then hit a two-out base hit to center to score two to put Oregon State up 6-3. Half of the runs in the first six innings were on Derne RBIs. More bonus stats! Dernedde finished the season reaching in each of his final 13 games. The last time that he was kept off of the bases was the Friday (game two) loss to UCLA in the final regular season series. No man, in the second half of the season, I would want almost anyone but Fuchs up, Derne included. Fuchs was terrible. It seemed to me like he checked out. His stats would certainly support my hypothesis. But you can disagree. Free country and all. But of course, you don’t like to focus on negativity. |
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Post by ricke71 on Jul 1, 2022 15:15:30 GMT -8
I included his full slash line, and his OPS. Batting average is the first of the three slash line numbers. Of players with at least 100 at bats, Fuchs led the team in K/AB. Which is why you should stick to posting stats and facts and not your commentary. You did post all three, but with your bashing on him, you pointed out the batting average, but you completely ignored the .379 OBP and reasonable .670 OPS that he had. I would certainly rather have him at the plate than someone like Logan, Dukart, Dernedde, or Gretler, who all had worse seasons at the plate than Fuchs. Dernedde was by far the worst regular on the team this year, and really shouldn't have been playing in the postseason at all. I like Dernedde, but he really was a terrible player this year. Fuchs certainly wasn't one of our best players this year, but also wasn't even close to being our worst. Very serviceable and someone who deserved playing time, especially at DH. Edit: Also, K/AB means nothing. I would rather have a 5-6 pitch strikeout than a 1-2 pitch groundout. A strikeout is the exact same result as a flyout/groundout, but can typically have more pitches thrown. So sure, he had the highest K/AB, but he also had the 2nd highest BB/AB. He saw a lot of pitches and helped wear pitchers down. I think that the frequent use of Fuchs as DH, and occasionally in the OF, was totally the result of shallow bench, especially after the Wheeler injury. I certainly give Greg Fuchs kudos for bringing what he had, when he was called upon. His BEAVER moment was written when, in his first ever college AB, he had a walk-off two-run base hit in Surprise AZ (Feb. 15, 2019). . I'm not sure what is meant by "reasonable" in the above post, but I don't see an .670 OPS for an outfielder, or a DH, to be desirable on a quality or elite D-1 baseball team. There were 10 players on the Beavs, that played in at least 19 games in 2022 that had an OPS > .670. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jul 1, 2022 15:52:15 GMT -8
I mean, the more pitches the better. A strikeout, though, tends to be worth less than a flyout with runners in scoring position. And, as long as it is not a double-play ball, a groundball also tends to be worth more. Dukart and Logan were both better at the plate than Fuchs. They both hit more often, and I really appreciated the hustle out of both of them. F#*k man, Logan always seemed like he would run through a wall, if it only slightly improved Oregon State's chances of winning. I do not question that either really wanted the team to win, especially Logan. Putting Logan in the same category as Fuchs in anything whatsoever is a slam on Logan, and I will not countenance it. Logan always seemed like he gave 110% at everything. Derne v. Fuchs Let's look at April 15th, the midpoint of the season: After April 15th: Derne hit: .217/.323/.265 OPS: .588 Fuchs hit: .188/.348/.246 OPS: .594 I was told that Fuchs' work at the Pac-12 Tournament was proof positive that I was wrong about Fuchs, so: At the Pac-12 Tournament: Derne hit .211/.285/.263 OPS: .548 Fuchs hit .190/.240/.238 OPS: .478 Also, bonus stats! In the Corvallis Regional Championship Game against Vanderbilt: Derne scored Dukart on a two-out base hit up the middle to tie the game at two. Derne then hit a two-out base hit to center to score two to put Oregon State up 6-3. Half of the runs in the first six innings were on Derne RBIs. More bonus stats! Dernedde finished the season reaching in each of his final 13 games. The last time that he was kept off of the bases was the Friday (game two) loss to UCLA in the final regular season series. No man, in the second half of the season, I would want almost anyone but Fuchs up, Derne included. Fuchs was terrible. It seemed to me like he checked out. His stats would certainly support my hypothesis. But you can disagree. Free country and all. But of course, you don’t like to focus on negativity. Non sequitur for two reasons. First, I am responding to someone bashing three other Oregon State hitters to try and prop up Fuchs. Second, Fuchs is in the portal. He is gone. I did not bash him, while he was here, because I like to avoid doing that to current players. But he's gone, so I will state my opinion. I find any assertion that Logan did not give 110% in everything offensive. That guy was awesome. I really liked how hard he played. And I resent the implication that he would be inferior to Fuchs in pretty much anything on or off the field. I got Logan in football.........a knife fight........pistols at dawn. Logan's got Fuchs beat. Dernedde is usually great with the glove. Any hitting he usually brings is a bonus. But he out-hit Fuchs in the second half and at the Pac-12 Tourney. Plus, Dernedde always seems like he plays up to competition, as opposed to disappearing. Oregon State scored three runs in Corvallis Super Regional Championship Game. Boyd scored the first and third. The only other run scored? Dernedde scored the second. Dernedde reached in his final 13 games. Only one other player could say that and that was Boyd, who got on in each of his games since April. Dukart's statistics are better than Fuchs, especially over the second half. Stanford 1 - Oregon State 0 in 10 innings. Fuchs flew out with Melton at first. Fuchs struck out with Smith at second. Fuchs was thrown out at home. Fuchs struck out with Melton at third and Forrester at first. 1-0 ballgame in 10. If Fuchs would hit a ball to the outfield or made it home on Dernedde's single, Oregon State wins at least 1-0. Fuchs finished tied for the team lead in strikeouts. Fuchs tied for the team lead in left on base with four. The Beavers left 12 runners on, one-third of those were with Fuchs at bat. And Oregon State plays Auburn, as opposed to Connecticut, as a result. |
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