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May 26, 2022 20:37:13 GMT -8
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Post by lebaneaver on May 26, 2022 20:37:13 GMT -8
This effing thread is off the n effing rails!! Not only locked... delete it. It's flat out embarrassing. That may be true, R, but it’s ok. We need to talk through this s%#t. It is a mental health problem. It is a gun problem. It is a morality problem. It is a political, spiritual, lack of courage, fear-mongering, terrible problem. Nothing positive will happen if we shut down communication, especially among those who are willing to be reasonable. I think most all the posts today have been. All I KNOW for sure is, those death certificates will state the cause of death as “gun shot wound.” There are TOO many guns out there, and it is far too easy for ANYONE to get hands on them. |
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Post by spudbeaver on May 26, 2022 20:53:05 GMT -8
This effing thread is off the n effing rails!! Not only locked... delete it. It's flat out embarrassing. That may be true, R, but it’s ok. We need to talk through this s%#t. It is a mental health problem. It is a gun problem. It is a morality problem. It is a political, spiritual, lack of courage, fear-mongering, terrible problem. Nothing positive will happen if we shut down communication, especially among those who are willing to be reasonable. I think most all the posts today have been. All I KNOW for sure is, those death certificates will state the cause of death as “gun shot wound.” There are TOO many guns out there, and it is far too easy for ANYONE to get hands on them. True. Go to any gun show and you see alot of folks who will pass the background check but you know they should never have a gun. A great place to start would be to do testing for potential parents to have kids! But that’s a whole different can of worms. |
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Post by beaver94 on May 26, 2022 21:28:55 GMT -8
I don’t love the militarization of the police anyways, but I’m pretty sickened by what I’m seeing coming out from this incident. Seeing cops, looking like they’re ready to go into battle, just standing around while this was taking place is just wrong.
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May 27, 2022 4:44:38 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on May 27, 2022 4:44:38 GMT -8
That may be true, R, but it’s ok. We need to talk through this s%#t. It is a mental health problem. It is a gun problem. It is a morality problem. It is a political, spiritual, lack of courage, fear-mongering, terrible problem. Nothing positive will happen if we shut down communication, especially among those who are willing to be reasonable. I think most all the posts today have been. All I KNOW for sure is, those death certificates will state the cause of death as “gun shot wound.” There are TOO many guns out there, and it is far too easy for ANYONE to get hands on them. True. Go to any gun show and you see alot of folks who will pass the background check but you know they should never have a gun. A great place to start would be to do testing for potential parents to have kids! But that’s a whole different can of worms. How about an IQ test in addition to a background check. |
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May 27, 2022 7:31:09 GMT -8
Post by beaverdude on May 27, 2022 7:31:09 GMT -8
I don’t love the militarization of the police anyways, but I’m pretty sickened by what I’m seeing coming out from this incident. Seeing cops, looking like they’re ready to go into battle, just standing around while this was taking place is just wrong. I think you'll see the police taking more time to "weigh their options" before taking action due to the increased political and legal pressure they face. |
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May 27, 2022 10:27:49 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 27, 2022 10:27:49 GMT -8
I don’t love the militarization of the police anyways, but I’m pretty sickened by what I’m seeing coming out from this incident. Seeing cops, looking like they’re ready to go into battle, just standing around while this was taking place is just wrong. I think you'll see the police taking more time to "weigh their options" before taking action due to the increased political and legal pressure they face. Then the police are idiots and cannot discern when force is necessary and when it isn't. Against an unarmed black man? Rough him up, maybe even shoot him. Against a shooter in a school? Hang back for an hour. |
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Post by Werebeaver on May 27, 2022 11:03:38 GMT -8
I don’t love the militarization of the police anyways, but I’m pretty sickened by what I’m seeing coming out from this incident. Seeing cops, looking like they’re ready to go into battle, just standing around while this was taking place is just wrong. I think you'll see the police taking more time to "weigh their options" before taking action due to the increased political and legal pressure they face. Yeah, but they take a great photo  |
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Post by seastape on May 27, 2022 11:20:14 GMT -8
I don't understand this. A week ago (?) someone went into a grocery store and started killing random people. Yesterday, someone took a weapon of war to an elementary school and started slaughtering children. Yet we have posters here, whom I would probably like if we met in person, who say there's nothing we can do. Another person said compared to Honderous, our problem isn't that big. Today I read that cars kill more people. Ive read others that say the 2nd amendment prevents us from trying to fix this problem. I understand a US Senator is so in love with his job and the money from the NRA, that he/she will try to do anything to not stop the slaughter of children. But you, why do you say there is nothing we can do? Why do you try to rationalize this behavior. I urge you to imagine what a nine-year-old's body looks like after being shot a dozen times by an AR rifle. Think about that tonight when you are quiet and having a moment with God. You anti bill of rights ideologues are asking the wrong questions to the wrong people. Instead of chastising firearms owners who post on Benny's House, about their complicity in your gun culture fantasy world. Why don't you make sure these three people who have been in politics forever, hear your solution to the problem. 1) Biden is in the White House & he was a big proponent of the 1994 Crime Bill. It shouldn't be a problem for him to a sign a gun ban bill. 2) Pelosi is Speaker of the House, she's A San Francisco Democrat, so getting tough on gun owners won't be a problem for her. 3) Schumer is Senate Majority Leader & has been campaigning against 2nd Amendment Rights his whole life. Looks like you have a trifecta for s%#tting on the Constitution, which will be all sorted out in the November Midterm Elections. Good luck, you'll need it. You think those are the people that need to be informed that we may need to consider reforming gun law? Good luck. You'll need it. |
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May 27, 2022 12:33:57 GMT -8
Post by irimi on May 27, 2022 12:33:57 GMT -8
True. Go to any gun show and you see alot of folks who will pass the background check but you know they should never have a gun. A great place to start would be to do testing for potential parents to have kids! But that’s a whole different can of worms. How about an IQ test in addition to a background check. Then there wouldn’t be ANY gun owners. LOL  Just taking the opening. I’m kidding of course. |
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Post by beavs6 on May 27, 2022 13:29:19 GMT -8
How about an IQ test in addition to a background check. Then there wouldn’t be ANY gun owners. LOL  Just taking the opening. I’m kidding of course. You've made your point abundantly clear. You are not kidding. "Blood on all gun owners' hands." Why use over-the-top inflammatory statements in an obviously emotionally heated discussion? I would think and hope that intelligent, well educated people could work on fixing problems that society has together. I am amazed everyday to be proven wrong. |
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May 27, 2022 15:55:58 GMT -8
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Post by rgeorge on May 27, 2022 15:55:58 GMT -8
Then there wouldn’t be ANY gun owners. LOL Just taking the opening. I’m kidding of course. You've made your point abundantly clear. You are not kidding. "Blood on all gun owners' hands." Why use over-the-top inflammatory statements in an obviously emotionally heated discussion? I would think and hope that intelligent, well educated people could work on fixing problems that society has together. I am amazed everyday to be proven wrong. Except... if you read his posts he does want a discussion. Like the most vocal folks these days (on either side of an issue) as long as it fits their narrative, discuss away. Otherwise it's "blame and finger pointing". Our system and society will continue to limp along. Until the components that erode our way of government are eliminated or severely adjusted... $$ and power. Big contributions, super Pacs gone. Term limits. Both are keys to begin change from the elitist "reigns" of the power hungry rich (or soon to be if in office long enough). Fed thru State governments are a mess and truly an abomination of what we're supposed to stand for. My 2 cents... every other solution is temporary as long as there is the ever changing division of those in power. |
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May 27, 2022 16:24:22 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on May 27, 2022 16:24:22 GMT -8
Then there wouldn’t be ANY gun owners. LOL Just taking the opening. I’m kidding of course. You've made your point abundantly clear. You are not kidding. "Blood on all gun owners' hands." Why use over-the-top inflammatory statements in an obviously emotionally heated discussion? I would think and hope that intelligent, well educated people could work on fixing problems that society has together. I am amazed everyday to be proven wrong. Take it as you like. If you can’t find humor in things, then that’s your problem. I said it was in jest, and I meant that. Is saying that you have blood on your hands more distasteful or disgusting than “there’s nothing that can be done” or “prayers and thoughts for the victims”? which completely avoid the issue, but maybe allow you to feel to turn the page and go on with your life as if nothing ever happened. We are responsible. We, the people, have the power to stop this. We choose not to. We elect representatives who protect our gun rights. We allowed Clinton’s ban on semiautomatics to expire. We support gun manufacturers. We attend gun shows. We keep telling the big business that we want more! Faster, cooler guns! More! And they deliver. We do this. We all are responsible. It could change tomorrow if we wanted it to. But we don’t. A few kids—as long as they aren’t my kids—is what it costs. Oh well. He was crazy. No way to prevent it. |
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Post by lebaneaver on May 27, 2022 16:38:09 GMT -8
Those of you using the “2nd amendment, constitutional rights” argument to deflect ANY blame away from your beloved guns, I guaran-damn-tee you those man-made rights DO NOT “TRUMP” the RIGHTS those precious, now dead babies and the innocent teachers had to LIFE! If you think they do, your “pro-life” bon-a fides are pure bull s%#t.
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Post by Werebeaver on May 27, 2022 17:41:51 GMT -8
Those of you using the “2nd amendment, constitutional rights” argument to deflect ANY blame away from your beloved guns, I guaran-damn-tee you those man-made rights DO NOT “TRUMP” the RIGHTS those precious, now dead babies and the innocent teachers had to LIFE! If you think they do, your “pro-life” bon-a fides are pure bull s%#t. The ignorant fantasy that the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution guarantees to citizens some ABSOLUTE unregulated, unlimited "right" to possess whatever personal arsenal they wish to accumulate is just plain wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled in numerous cases that the regulation of personal firearms sales, possession and use is a legitimate function of government. The commercial/industrial self-interest of the NRA notwithstanding. |
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May 27, 2022 18:57:44 GMT -8
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Post by spudbeaver on May 27, 2022 18:57:44 GMT -8
Those of you using the “2nd amendment, constitutional rights” argument to deflect ANY blame away from your beloved guns, I guaran-damn-tee you those man-made rights DO NOT “TRUMP” the RIGHTS those precious, now dead babies and the innocent teachers had to LIFE! If you think they do, your “pro-life” bon-a fides are pure bull s%#t. The ignorant fantasy that the 2nd amendment of the US Constitution guarantees to citizens some ABSOLUTE unregulated, unlimited "right" to possess whatever personal arsenal they wish to accumulate is just plain wrong. The Supreme Court has ruled in numerous cases that the regulation of personal firearms sales, possession and use is a legitimate function of government. The commercial/industrial self-interest of the NRA notwithstanding. Unregulated? Um, no. |
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