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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 5, 2022 18:29:42 GMT -8
F__k the portal. I won’t be investing anymore money, time, and certainly not emotion on a team and it’s players of NO RELATION to me when it means this little to them. FUBAR. Oregon State and Corvallis seem to have an “non-endearing” quality about them. Too, too easy to say adios to. I’ve prayed about it, and my mental and physical (?) health depend on me making the decision to divorce myself from supporting AND rooting for intercollegiate athletics. Beaver fan since 1970. Sports fan most all of my 64 years on this earth. Sad f%#*ing day for me. We’ll miss you. Watching the the 18-21 year olds who play for the school I once attended is still enjoyable to me even if the comings and goings happen a little more frequently. The only constant is change. As I get older the changes seem to happen more frequently and faster. But I remember hearing old people say the exact same thing when I was a kid. |
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Post by beavertd on Apr 5, 2022 18:36:09 GMT -8
Here's the women's transfers out of the PAC-12 with the best data I could find:
Arizona - (5) including Vonleh
ASU - (5)
Cal - (2) including Daniels
Stanford - (0) *No data
Colorado - (6)
Utah - (3)
uo - (4)
OSU - (3)
USC - (4)
UCLA - (0) *No data
WA - (6)
WSU - (1)
So even with the two zero's of missing data, the PAC-12 is averaging 3.25 transfers per team for women's basketball.
So while I understand some people's narratives that we have a "coach or culture" problem, I think the portal is just a reality now and coaches will have to adjust. Just like the elite men's teams have adjusted to the "one and done" scenario of top recruits.
Did Trish, DS, Goforth and Samuels really find greener grass elsewhere? I hope they find/found happiness. Same goes for the recent three. If you think you have a better chance somewhere else, then good luck and god bless.
I would wait and see what kind of team Scott constructs before the season starts before I would pass to much judgement. And I suppose if as a fan, you cannot adjust to players leaving via the portal, then you'll never be happy. Even UConn loses players to the portal.
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 5, 2022 18:36:38 GMT -8
Don't follow. Am I a 'quitter' for thinking the Nike line was funny, was he one for posting it, or both? How does QUITTER make any sense whatsoever as a response to either? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 5, 2022 18:52:45 GMT -8
RGeorge said: "There was a big "supposed" issue with SR and DS. On this board it turned into DS vs SR, and she was the villain and SR was the "saint" that could do no wrong. A former poster here was very good friends with a player/parents and his posts and anyone who agreed were vilified. Long story short SR was in the wrong, had to make apologies and make some parents "believers" again. DS transferred out and several other players were also considering it. Whatever was/will be said, crap went down and now two of the players considering a move now have. Coincidence? Really don't care as they are most likely gone and their reasons are none of my biz, nor will we ever know all the factors for sure. Goodbye statements from players are typically glowing and positive. I've only seen a couple that actually seem to indicate ill will." Yes. I have avoided harping on the whole DS issue, but heard from a few close to the program that it was most definitely Rueck's fault, or at least he had a major part in it, much more than most OSU fans ever believed. I've wondered since about the direction of the program under Rueck and how his players view him as a coach. I believe the portal has just made it all the easier for those who no longer believe in the Rueck Way to bail and I believe Rueck is the main reason most of them have/will leave. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and I'm still hopeful that he can overcome this and build a solid roster for next season, but at this point it's become difficult to have a lot of faith. So what was this “DS issue”? Because your post doesn’t make much sense without knowing. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Apr 5, 2022 18:54:50 GMT -8
Here's the women's transfers out of the PAC-12 with the best data I could find: Arizona - (5) including Vonleh ASU - (5) Cal - (2) including Daniels Stanford - (0) *No data Colorado - (6) Utah - (3) uo - (4) OSU - (3) USC - (4) UCLA - (0) *No data WA - (6) WSU - (1) So even with the two zero's of missing data, the PAC-12 is averaging 3.25 transfers per team for women's basketball. So while I understand some people's narratives that we have a "coach or culture" problem, I think the portal is just a reality now and coaches will have to adjust. Just like the elite men's teams have adjusted to the "one and done" scenario of top recruits. Did Trish, DS, Goforth and Samuels really find greener grass elsewhere? I hope they find/found happiness. Same goes for the recent three. If you think you have a better chance somewhere else, then good luck and god bless. I would wait and see what kind of team Scott constructs before the season starts before I would pass to much judgement. And I suppose if as a fan, you cannot adjust to players leaving via the portal, then you'll never be happy. Even UConn loses players to the portal. Thanks for the info. It provides some perspective. It is all about recruiting the portal at this point in time. |
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Post by sparty on Apr 5, 2022 18:54:53 GMT -8
Don't follow. Am I a 'quitter' for thinking the Nike line was funny, was he one for posting it, or both? How does QUITTER make any sense whatsoever as a response to either? Point being is some of you guys go on to these players social media accounts and the first thing you post is Quitter. So for some it might as well say Quitter on the back of their shirts. Step back from the ledge, don't jump, unwad your panties! Btw, Werebeaver has a good perspective on it all. |
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Post by grad1973 on Apr 5, 2022 18:55:57 GMT -8
I believe brown and Taylor were a package deal when they came out here, they fed on the other going to OSU.. I think they both agreed together there skills were not being well served. I don’t have a crystal ball but just a hunch. One am sad to come up with.
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Post by standerd on Apr 5, 2022 19:03:28 GMT -8
Agreed about not dumping on players who decide to take their talents elsewhere. As has been said, who knows their situations? One poster called KB a "mid-major" player after she entered the portal and another (on this thread) called TJ a "good" player after she did the same. Really? I mean, really? Those assessments are just plain silly. Question: Did you watch the South Carolina-UConn game? Seems to me that players that stay with their programs and commitments and work through the player development, instead of bouncing off to the "next best thing", actually hone the skills and team chemistry that is required to play at an elite level. Not all the players on those 2 teams are MacDonald all-stars (and I include Stanford here), but they have shown me the commitment and dedication that is required to build an elite team. That vision, I think is what is lacking. Who or what is responsible for that, I can't tell ya; but I know that it can be achieved. Our 2014-2016 teams have demonstrated that, and we can get there again.
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Post by sparty on Apr 5, 2022 19:04:30 GMT -8
RGeorge said: "There was a big "supposed" issue with SR and DS. On this board it turned into DS vs SR, and she was the villain and SR was the "saint" that could do no wrong. A former poster here was very good friends with a player/parents and his posts and anyone who agreed were vilified. Long story short SR was in the wrong, had to make apologies and make some parents "believers" again. DS transferred out and several other players were also considering it. Whatever was/will be said, crap went down and now two of the players considering a move now have. Coincidence? Really don't care as they are most likely gone and their reasons are none of my biz, nor will we ever know all the factors for sure. Goodbye statements from players are typically glowing and positive. I've only seen a couple that actually seem to indicate ill will." Yes. I have avoided harping on the whole DS issue, but heard from a few close to the program that it was most definitely Rueck's fault, or at least he had a major part in it, much more than most OSU fans ever believed. I've wondered since about the direction of the program under Rueck and how his players view him as a coach. I believe the portal has just made it all the easier for those who no longer believe in the Rueck Way to bail and I believe Rueck is the main reason most of them have/will leave. I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and I'm still hopeful that he can overcome this and build a solid roster for next season, but at this point it's become difficult to have a lot of faith. Rueck is at Waterloo? All 5ft-6 in of Napoleon often attributed his defeat at Waterloo to the timidity and thick-headedness of his own generals. Well played, Judge Smails |
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Post by grayman on Apr 5, 2022 19:48:52 GMT -8
Werebeaver asked: "So what was this “DS issue”? Because your post doesn’t make much sense without knowing."
Destiny Slocum and her reasons for leaving OSU.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 5, 2022 19:50:48 GMT -8
Hard to believe that with all the promising riches of bigs that OSU had from the 18-19 classes, we now only have Jelena to show for it. Morris, Aquino, Jone and Brown all weren’t in the starting lineup for OSU by the 2022 post-season. The reality is that Jelena is the best player standing of that group at this point. Maybe Jone’s surgery is finally successful and she blossoms, but the odds are not in her favor.
Some if this is not Rueck’s fault, but some of it is. His belief that he could develop a contender with a roster full of bigs in need of significant development looks like pure bravado today.
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 5, 2022 19:54:36 GMT -8
Werebeaver asked: "So what was this “DS issue”? Because your post doesn’t make much sense without knowing." Destiny Slocum and her reasons for leaving OSU. Sorry for being out of the loop but do you have a link? Or is this "insiders-only" gossip? |
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Post by grayman on Apr 5, 2022 20:09:19 GMT -8
There's no link out there to my knowledge. The media really didn't do any kind of deep dive into it. That's part of the reason I've avoided going there in the past. I will add that there's behind the scenes stuff that goes on with every sports team at every university and the vast majority of it never sees the light of day.
And I wouldn't call it gossip. The "insiders" I know are legit. For what it's worth, I believe what I've been told about the situation. Everyone is entitled to their own conclusions, of course.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 5, 2022 20:14:26 GMT -8
There's no link out there to my knowledge. The media really didn't do any kind of deep dive into it. That's part of the reason I've avoided going there in the past. But I wouldn't call it gossip. The "insiders" I know are legit. For what it's worth, I believe what I've been told about the situation. Everyone is entitled to their own conclusions, of course. Hard to come to a conclusion when there is no hypothesis presented. |
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Post by grayman on Apr 5, 2022 20:18:15 GMT -8
Yes, there is a hypothesis.
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