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Post by beaverwbb fan on Apr 3, 2022 19:57:43 GMT -8
I received no response to this query a few days ago, however here goes again! Would it perhaps be better for an OSU program to focus mainly on West Coast and overseas players with the premise being that they are more likely to stay with the program than bail out early? Would be interested in other opinions. Also how difficult is it to Coach if you know that if you choose to not play a highly touted recruit they will likely bail on you, even though you know the players needs to develop more skills, etc. to benefit both the player and the team. Coach Rueck and the Beavers seem to be in a real funk right now, and with the way he limits his roster to less than the maximum things are not looking very good. I think that there’s a lot of different things that make this question tricky to answer, but I don’t disagree. Aside from the Destiny, most of the impactful transfers have not been from the west coast. However, kids like Greta, Sasha, Kennedy, etc. seemed like really good fits for the program and they were considered to be among the top kids in their class. It is nice to get the kids from WA, CA, UT, CO, OR, etc. when we can land them. Not sure how important location is nowadays, but I’d think kids like Talia and Tea having their parents at most games is a plus. |
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Post by beaveragain on Apr 3, 2022 21:51:08 GMT -8
So over the weekend I heard from people who probably know-
AJ "isn't going anywhere".
Greta is already back home and busy figuring out where she's going to transfer to.
And KB spent the weekend with her former team mates checking out wineries in the valley.
So no Greta, but maybe KB can be given reassurances to stay?
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Post by escott58 on Apr 3, 2022 22:00:18 GMT -8
So over the weekend I heard from people who probably know- AJ "isn't going anywhere". Greta is already back home and busy figuring out where she's going to transfer to. And KB spent the weekend with her former team mates checking out wineries in the valley. So no Greta, but maybe KB can be given reassurances to stay? I wouldn't mind her staying, and she did take a couple extra days before entering the portal. She's probably (>99% IMHO) going to move on though. She's a darn good athlete and will be able to play somewhere. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 3, 2022 22:01:40 GMT -8
If you look at the 3 posts in the thread to which you responded, second coming of Terry Baker, you will note that there is no denigration of players using the rules to their own presumed benefit. Rather, I think what was being conveyed (certainly by me and I believe by easternbuck) is that the general, generational mindset that moves them in that direction is not to their benefit. I'll give an example at the risk of your LOL'ing (I know how you love a good LOL, and am happy to provide them when I can). There are 900 or so young women across the nation who have decided that the gratification they receive from their participation in their school's basketball program is not sufficient, not providing the gratification they deserve. So they will leave (presumably for parts unknown) all the good things they have built in their time at this university - the friendships, the being a part of something for life, the academic growth - in search of a few more minutes of playing time. Contrast that with a Noelle Mannen type who parleys the traits I described above to a roster spot as a walk on, minutes in garbage time, then a scholarship, and lately some minutes when it counts. I'll bet she could even enter the portal, get picked up by some much lower level program, and get serious minutes next year. Instead, she's going to continue to enjoy being on our team, get her Masters from OSU, continue to cement the relationships she's been building, and be a proud Beaver for life. In the long run, who's making the better decision? When basketball is done and it's time to find a job, Who you gonna want to hire? So if you're in a position to hire a recent grad, would you consider whether they only went to one school versus maybe having gone to two a negative? I'd venture to guess there are a heck of a lot of successful posters on this board (from previous "generations") who, for any number of compelling reasons, started at a different college (at age 18) than the one they got their degree(s) from (at age 21+). Hey, if you want to disparage young people who chose to change their school as "soft", that's your call. It just doesn't ring true to me, for the reasons I stated. (BTW, that "Terry Baker Club" thing just appeared one day below my name. While it's flattering, I don't have any idea where it came from.) I still don't think you're latching on to what I'm trying to convey. Perhaps addressing your hypothetical question will get it across. There are many legitimate reasons to transfer from one school to another as an undergraduate. Back in the days when I actually did interview such people, I would have enquired about it, but not normally in any great depth. I most likely would have accepted the answer that was proffered and moved on. Today, when we see 30% of one subset of the college population (women basketball players on full scholarship) leaving what I described in the above post for the sake of possibly getting more minutes somewhere else, yes, I would definitely question that further - much further. I would immediately become concerned that the interviewee had come to adulthood with a great sense of entitlement, and I would want her to convince me otherwise. In many cases, they could do so fairly readily. If they said it was homesickness (Sasha, perhaps) or just that, while in high school, they were torn between A & B, chose A, and realized after several months that they had definitely chosen wrong, and transferred to B (also Sasha, perhaps), I'd accept that. But if it was because freshman year didn't go as swimmingly as they had expected, and, rather than put in the work to fix what was wrong, they thought they should just transfer, I'd definitely want to look at other candidates. If you want to label that as disparaging young people, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I would imagine the Terry Baker moniker was applied when you got to 10,000 posts. What's Glove going to do to top Terry Baker when you reach 15,000? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 4, 2022 6:57:27 GMT -8
So if you're in a position to hire a recent grad, would you consider whether they only went to one school versus maybe having gone to two a negative? I'd venture to guess there are a heck of a lot of successful posters on this board (from previous "generations") who, for any number of compelling reasons, started at a different college (at age 18) than the one they got their degree(s) from (at age 21+). Hey, if you want to disparage young people who chose to change their school as "soft", that's your call. It just doesn't ring true to me, for the reasons I stated. (BTW, that "Terry Baker Club" thing just appeared one day below my name. While it's flattering, I don't have any idea where it came from.) I still don't think you're latching on to what I'm trying to convey. Perhaps addressing your hypothetical question will get it across. There are many legitimate reasons to transfer from one school to another as an undergraduate. Back in the days when I actually did interview such people, I would have enquired about it, but not normally in any great depth. I most likely would have accepted the answer that was proffered and moved on. Today, when we see 30% of one subset of the college population (women basketball players on full scholarship) leaving what I described in the above post for the sake of possibly getting more minutes somewhere else, yes, I would definitely question that further - much further. I would immediately become concerned that the interviewee had come to adulthood with a great sense of entitlement, and I would want her to convince me otherwise. In many cases, they could do so fairly readily. If they said it was homesickness (Sasha, perhaps) or just that, while in high school, they were torn between A & B, chose A, and realized after several months that they had definitely chosen wrong, and transferred to B (also Sasha, perhaps), I'd accept that. But if it was because freshman year didn't go as swimmingly as they had expected, and, rather than put in the work to fix what was wrong, they thought they should just transfer, I'd definitely want to look at other candidates. If you want to label that as disparaging young people, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I would imagine the Terry Baker moniker was applied when you got to 10,000 posts. What's Glove going to do to top Terry Baker when you reach 15,000? I think I've had my say and I'm not out to change anyone's opinion. We clearly disagree. As far as the "Terry Baker Club" is concerned, I've been called worse. |
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Post by 1042 on Apr 4, 2022 15:24:23 GMT -8
I believe this whole portal situation is becoming very challenging for Coach Rueck. I believe he built the foundation of his OSU success on developing talent and teamwork to overcome the built in disadvantages that being in a small state with limited available talent created. So now when he gets players who are not willing to take the time and effort to develop, his whole system is in question. To me perhaps he might consider recruiting mainly in the West and perhaps overseas. In general you do not see the overseas players bailing out when the first relative, aau coach, rival coach,etc. whisper in their ear that they are really the next Brianna Stewart but their current ignorant coach was not able to see it. This is a tremendous challenge for Coach Rueck. Any ideas from the group on how to approach it. Keep in mind, all our incoming highly rated recruits are from distant states. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Apr 4, 2022 17:50:22 GMT -8
I believe this whole portal situation is becoming very challenging for Coach Rueck. I believe he built the foundation of his OSU success on developing talent and teamwork to overcome the built in disadvantages that being in a small state with limited available talent created. So now when he gets players who are not willing to take the time and effort to develop, his whole system is in question. To me perhaps he might consider recruiting mainly in the West and perhaps overseas. In general you do not see the overseas players bailing out when the first relative, aau coach, rival coach,etc. whisper in their ear that they are really the next Brianna Stewart but their current ignorant coach was not able to see it. This is a tremendous challenge for Coach Rueck. Any ideas from the group on how to approach it. Keep in mind, all our incoming highly rated recruits are from distant states. Many teams in the conference have as big or bigger problems with players leaving. If I were Scott, I would do 2 things: (1) I'd stop looking at grad transfers and try to pick up portal players this year with 2 or even 3 years remaining. They can't transfer again without sitting a year, so they'll probably stay. (2) When recruiting high school kids, I'd put more emphasis on their achieving growth over 4 years, like Aleah or Marie, than anything else. I'd convey to them that this is the way it's done at OSU, and that they should know that and expect that from the very beginning. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 5, 2022 9:21:14 GMT -8
So if you're in a position to hire a recent grad, would you consider whether they only went to one school versus maybe having gone to two a negative? I'd venture to guess there are a heck of a lot of successful posters on this board (from previous "generations") who, for any number of compelling reasons, started at a different college (at age 18) than the one they got their degree(s) from (at age 21+). Hey, if you want to disparage young people who chose to change their school as "soft", that's your call. It just doesn't ring true to me, for the reasons I stated. (BTW, that "Terry Baker Club" thing just appeared one day below my name. While it's flattering, I don't have any idea where it came from.) I still don't think you're latching on to what I'm trying to convey. Perhaps addressing your hypothetical question will get it across. There are many legitimate reasons to transfer from one school to another as an undergraduate. Back in the days when I actually did interview such people, I would have enquired about it, but not normally in any great depth. I most likely would have accepted the answer that was proffered and moved on. Today, when we see 30% of one subset of the college population (women basketball players on full scholarship) leaving what I described in the above post for the sake of possibly getting more minutes somewhere else, yes, I would definitely question that further - much further. I would immediately become concerned that the interviewee had come to adulthood with a great sense of entitlement, and I would want her to convince me otherwise. In many cases, they could do so fairly readily. If they said it was homesickness (Sasha, perhaps) or just that, while in high school, they were torn between A & B, chose A, and realized after several months that they had definitely chosen wrong, and transferred to B (also Sasha, perhaps), I'd accept that. But if it was because freshman year didn't go as swimmingly as they had expected, and, rather than put in the work to fix what was wrong, they thought they should just transfer, I'd definitely want to look at other candidates. If you want to label that as disparaging young people, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I would imagine the Terry Baker moniker was applied when you got to 10,000 posts. What's Glove going to do to top Terry Baker when you reach 15,000? Al Reser? |
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 5, 2022 10:06:55 GMT -8
I still don't think you're latching on to what I'm trying to convey. Perhaps addressing your hypothetical question will get it across. There are many legitimate reasons to transfer from one school to another as an undergraduate. Back in the days when I actually did interview such people, I would have enquired about it, but not normally in any great depth. I most likely would have accepted the answer that was proffered and moved on. Today, when we see 30% of one subset of the college population (women basketball players on full scholarship) leaving what I described in the above post for the sake of possibly getting more minutes somewhere else, yes, I would definitely question that further - much further. I would immediately become concerned that the interviewee had come to adulthood with a great sense of entitlement, and I would want her to convince me otherwise. In many cases, they could do so fairly readily. If they said it was homesickness (Sasha, perhaps) or just that, while in high school, they were torn between A & B, chose A, and realized after several months that they had definitely chosen wrong, and transferred to B (also Sasha, perhaps), I'd accept that. But if it was because freshman year didn't go as swimmingly as they had expected, and, rather than put in the work to fix what was wrong, they thought they should just transfer, I'd definitely want to look at other candidates. If you want to label that as disparaging young people, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I would imagine the Terry Baker moniker was applied when you got to 10,000 posts. What's Glove going to do to top Terry Baker when you reach 15,000? Al Reser? How about the Frank Peters Club? After all, Terry Baker testified as a character witness at one of Frank's trials.  |
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Post by ricke71 on Apr 5, 2022 10:43:05 GMT -8
How about the Frank Peters Club? After all, Terry Baker testified as a character witness at one of Frank's trials. FACTS ON FRANK: Frank's favorite album is "Elvis Gospel L.P" (peace in the valley) Frank's favorite book is "Having Sex With Cannibals" |
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Post by algernon14 on Apr 5, 2022 11:00:23 GMT -8
U-Conn's Geno Auriemma & South Carolina's Dawn Staley's take on the transfer portal from today's Washington Post:
U-Conn. coach Geno Auriemma understood that players leave all the time, but questioned some of the decision-making behind the moves. There were reportedly 850 players in the portal last week.
“You know those 850 people in the portal? Three hundred of them are not going to find a school to go to because they’re going to realize it’s not the school they just left,” Auriemma said. “Just like last year, right? A thousand kids in the portal, 250 of them had no place to go, and the guys that they left don’t want them back. Whatever happened to go and figure it the hell out?
“Yeah, sometimes you have to leave. Sometimes it’s the right thing to do. No question about that. But 800, 1,000 of them? There’s only 365 Division I schools. It’s like three at every school.”
South Carolina Coach Dawn Staley, who became the first Black coach on the men’s or women’s side to win two Division I national championships on Sunday, called the process “way, way, way, way out of hand.” She acknowledged that some players did not sign up to sit on the bench for three seasons and want an opportunity to chase collegiate or professional goals. There are many, however, who are playing big minutes and still moving onward.
“I think the portal is much like social media,” Staley said last week. “It’s the fad. It’s a big ol’ fad that just keeps continuing. There are more people in the portal than there are scholarships.
“Some of them want to move up, some of them want to move down, the people that are in the portal. Is it out of hand? It absolutely is. I don’t know how you control it. But … it’s their way of controlling their own destinies, and it’s their way of — I don’t know if it’s an escape. I don’t know what it is.”
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Post by skyrider on Apr 5, 2022 11:57:06 GMT -8
So am I correct about what I am stating here- If Phil Knight (or some other very wealthy or not so wealthy person) really wanted a particular women's or men's basketball player to either come to a particular school to begin with or to stay at a school when they are considering entering the portal and leaving, it is perfectly legal to pay the person unlimited amounts of money to take part in various types of advertising?
Are there limits, regulations, etc. If not is this not eventually going to be a modified form of pro sports?
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Post by TheGlove on Apr 5, 2022 12:06:13 GMT -8
I still don't think you're latching on to what I'm trying to convey. Perhaps addressing your hypothetical question will get it across. There are many legitimate reasons to transfer from one school to another as an undergraduate. Back in the days when I actually did interview such people, I would have enquired about it, but not normally in any great depth. I most likely would have accepted the answer that was proffered and moved on. Today, when we see 30% of one subset of the college population (women basketball players on full scholarship) leaving what I described in the above post for the sake of possibly getting more minutes somewhere else, yes, I would definitely question that further - much further. I would immediately become concerned that the interviewee had come to adulthood with a great sense of entitlement, and I would want her to convince me otherwise. In many cases, they could do so fairly readily. If they said it was homesickness (Sasha, perhaps) or just that, while in high school, they were torn between A & B, chose A, and realized after several months that they had definitely chosen wrong, and transferred to B (also Sasha, perhaps), I'd accept that. But if it was because freshman year didn't go as swimmingly as they had expected, and, rather than put in the work to fix what was wrong, they thought they should just transfer, I'd definitely want to look at other candidates. If you want to label that as disparaging young people, then we'll just have to agree to disagree. I would imagine the Terry Baker moniker was applied when you got to 10,000 posts. What's Glove going to do to top Terry Baker when you reach 15,000? Al Reser? Next member ranking level is at 20,000, not 15,000 posts. You guys will have to wait and see what that level is called. Name Stars Post Count
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Post by sparty on Apr 5, 2022 12:07:11 GMT -8
U-Conn's Geno Auriemma & South Carolina's Dawn Staley's take on the transfer portal from today's Washington Post: U-Conn. coach Geno Auriemma understood that players leave all the time, but questioned some of the decision-making behind the moves. There were reportedly 850 players in the portal last week. “You know those 850 people in the portal? Three hundred of them are not going to find a school to go to because they’re going to realize it’s not the school they just left,” Auriemma said. “Just like last year, right? A thousand kids in the portal, 250 of them had no place to go, and the guys that they left don’t want them back. Whatever happened to go and figure it the hell out? “Yeah, sometimes you have to leave. Sometimes it’s the right thing to do. No question about that. But 800, 1,000 of them? There’s only 365 Division I schools. It’s like three at every school.” South Carolina Coach Dawn Staley, who became the first Black coach on the men’s or women’s side to win two Division I national championships on Sunday, called the process “way, way, way, way out of hand.” She acknowledged that some players did not sign up to sit on the bench for three seasons and want an opportunity to chase collegiate or professional goals. There are many, however, who are playing big minutes and still moving onward. “I think the portal is much like social media,” Staley said last week. “It’s the fad. It’s a big ol’ fad that just keeps continuing. There are more people in the portal than there are scholarships. “Some of them want to move up, some of them want to move down, the people that are in the portal. Is it out of hand? It absolutely is. I don’t know how you control it. But … it’s their way of controlling their own destinies, and it’s their way of — I don’t know if it’s an escape. I don’t know what it is.” “I think the portal is much like social media,” Staley said last week. “It’s the fad. It’s a big ol’ fad that just keeps continuing.
I am not a Staley fan but I think she is right on this. Never thought about it in that way. Like it is almost cool to move on somewhere else. I see it like a game of musical chairs. It will be interesting in all of this to just look at the Pac-12 in about four months and see who moves up, sideways or down a team with these players. There are not enough good competitive schools to take all of them in.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Apr 5, 2022 12:53:13 GMT -8
So am I correct about what I am stating here- If Phil Knight (or some other very wealthy or not so wealthy person) really wanted a particular women's or men's basketball player to either come to a particular school to begin with or to stay at a school when they are considering entering the portal and leaving, it is perfectly legal to pay the person unlimited amounts of money to take part in various types of advertising? Are there limits, regulations, etc. If not is this not eventually going to be a modified form of pro sports? As far as I can tell, the NCAA really hasn't weighed in on what is or isn't allowed w/ NIL deals. It seems like at some point they need to set up some guidelines or limits. You are correct, as is it is set up for massive abuse of the system. |
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